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post #481 of 499
12/6/11 at 1:02am
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If there was any music cut out of the third season episode "Trouble in Mind", it didn't spoil my enjoyment of what was an excellent episode. Would the music substitutions in the Season 11 episode "Number One with a Bullet: Part II" spoil your enjoyment of the episode? Going to get the last three seasons of the series?



There was music cut on US sets and maybe all regions. She did four songs. This was the only one cut. Here is the missing music and footage from "Trouble in Mind" to compare with the DVD:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/season3/troubleinmind.MP4


I do hate music substitutions and usually skip all sets with them on principle. I've skipped a lot of TV series due to this. I also never buy sets with syndicated versions of episodes with minutes chopped out of each episode. However, with Hawaii Five-O being such a long-running series with so many episodes, and if the cuts I asked about are the only ones, I can live with that. I plan on finishing the series but I do hope for a remaster of Season 10, after what I've read in reviews. I wasn't crazy about the last three seasons but I want to finish the series.

Having a song cut out and something subbed in is bad enough. When they delete actual episode footage due to music, that's unacceptable, in my opinion. It's a shame that "Trouble in Mind" had to lose footage. It's hard to believe that it was outrageously expensive to license that song with Nancy Wilson performing a short excerpt.

The Number One with a Bullet substitution will spoil that moment of the episode as I have a distinct memory of the original airing. Music is chosen for a particular scene for a reason. When you consider 275+ episodes and possibly just 5-6 edits total, I can live with it. If this series had been missing its theme song, had edited episodes throughout, there is no way I would have considered the purchase.

In the DVD's of the series Cheers, they ruined a few episodes of the series with music substitutions. The song was actually a major part of the episode's storyline in a few of the episodes. Cutting it out ruined the episode. There have been series released in the US with missing theme songs and many series with wholesale music substitutions. I skip these. When I was a child, I used to watch "The Fall Guy" with Lee Majors. They brought out the first season on DVD. In the pilot movie on the disc, they actually edited out Paul Williams and his acting scenes and went so far as to blur out Paul and his band in scenes and remove him from the opening credits of the episode/movie. Why? Because he was performing "Crazy" by Patsy Cline. That song was removed from the ending credits of the pilot. Ridiculous. It turns out the set had many other songs missing. I traded it in.
Edited by Dave Farley - 12/6/11 at 1:20am
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Hawaii Five-O - The Complete First Season
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Hawaii Five-O: Sixth Season
post #482 of 499
12/6/11 at 1:12am
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post #483 of 499
12/6/11 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by WaveCrest View Post





NOTE: The above is a part-quoted post (post #476 on this page).

If there was any music cut out of the third season episode "Trouble in Mind", it didn't spoil my enjoyment of what was an excellent episode. Would the music substitutions in the Season 11 episode "Number One with a Bullet: Part II" spoil your enjoyment of the episode? Going to get the last three seasons of the series?



There was music cut on US sets and maybe all regions. She did four songs. This was the only one cut. Here is the missing music and footage from "Trouble in Mind" to compare with the DVD:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/season3/troubleinmind.MP4


I do hate music substitutions and usually skip all sets with them on principle. I've skipped a lot of TV series due to this. I also never buy sets with syndicated versions of episodes with minutes chopped out of each episode. However, with Hawaii Five-O being such a long-running series with so many episodes, and if the cuts I asked about are the only ones, I can live with that. I plan on finishing the series but I do hope for a remaster of Season 10, after what I've read in reviews. I wasn't crazy about the last three seasons but I want to finish the series.

Having a song cut out and something subbed in is bad enough. When they delete actual episode footage due to music, that's unacceptable, in my opinion. It's a shame that "Trouble in Mind" had to lose footage. It's hard to believe that it was outrageously expensive to license that song with Nancy Wilson performing a short excerpt.

The Number One with a Bullet substitution will spoil that moment of the episode as I have a distinct memory of the original airing. Music is chosen for a particular scene for a reason. When you consider 275+ episodes and possibly just 5-6 edits total, I can live with it. If this series had been missing its theme song, had edited episodes throughout, there is no way I would have considered the purchase.

In the DVD's of the series Cheers, they ruined a few episodes of the series with music substitutions. The song was actually a major part of the episode's storyline in a few of the episodes. Cutting it out ruined the episode. There have been series released in the US with missing theme songs and many series with wholesale music substitutions. I skip these. When I was a child, I used to watch "The Fall Guy" with Lee Majors. They brought out the first season on DVD. In the pilot movie on the disc, they actually edited out Paul Williams and his acting scenes and went so far as to blur out Paul and his band in scenes and remove him from the opening credits of the episode/movie. Why? Because he was performing "Crazy" by Patsy Cline. That song was removed from the ending credits of the pilot. Ridiculous. It turns out the set had many other songs missing. I traded it in.

Believe it or not, I purchased that in 2007 when I was visiting my sister Michel in Maryland. Trouble is, I paid FOX's list price for it ($59.98); that was a mistake that I'll never live down. Fortunately, I did finish it, but still, those substitutions (and that Paul Williams thing) are some of the most utterly ridiculous things that have ever happened with television disc releases.
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post #484 of 499
12/6/11 at 10:04am
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When they delete actual episode footage due to music, that's unacceptable, in my opinion..

And just think of all the footage that's gone missing from a large number of "Odd Couple" episodes S3, S4 and S5 (the first two seasons were left alone with one tiny source music exception) that ruined the COMEDY of many great scenes because we had a character just humming or SPEAKING a line from a song. Nothing was more ruinous than the episode "Strike Up The Band Or Else" with Pernell Roberts where the song "Cocktails For Two" is a vital part of the story's humor. Without it, the episode is meaningless. And that was just the worst example. I relucatantly own the sets for S3-5 but I refuse to watch the episodes that were seriously compromised by CBS/Paramount (which amount to more than a third overall). It's lucky for me that there are some other episodes I can still enjoy that weren't tampered with.
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post #485 of 499
12/26/11 at 4:42pm
Sneak preview of Season 12 disc menus:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/pix/season12/

For more info in the next while, check out the Discussion Forum on my site:

http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/gbook
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post #486 of 499
12/30/11 at 5:52am
I have ordered S12 and look forward to watching it when it comes out. I am glad i can stroke this set off my collection and it will put me at 75 completed shows.

I was hoping for some extras with this set, but i am guessing that is not the case. All the original cast are now passed on with James Macarthur dying in 2011.
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post #487 of 499
1/7/12 at 12:16pm
Thread Starter 

Most of the 19 episodes in the Season 12 set look very nice indeed, with the exception of two or three episodes having a slightly faded look (this is based on skipping through the chapters). The main cast title sequence doesn't appear to be remastered. As a whole, a decent presentation like the Season 11 set.

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post #488 of 499
1/8/12 at 7:14am
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Most of the 19 episodes in the Season 12 set look very nice indeed, with the exception of two or three episodes having a slightly faded look (this is based on skipping through the chapters). The main cast title sequence doesn't appear to be remastered. As a whole, a decent presentation like the Season 11 set.

Thanks for the posting!

I think S12 is the weakest of the S1-S12 due to fact that Danno was replaced after S11. I am still a huge fan of Hawaii Five-O, but i like the earlier episodes. The original cost of danno/kelly/kano along with McGarrett were the best. I did remember hearing that Kano was upset with his role and left. Ben was added first, but who was this Frank character and he was shown in a few episodes before Duke was added to the team.

S12 added William Smith (famous for his roles in Every which you can or as the rival in Rich Man, Poor Man) along Sharon Farrell. Sharon's character was interesting as it was the first female member of the team to added on a full-time basis. Yes, there were other policewoman that help with cases from time to time.

I am so looking forward to watching the last episode, especially with Wo Fat. I like Wo Fat's character as it was good nemisis for McGarrett.
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post #489 of 499
1/8/12 at 8:05am
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Slight correction to your post Paul - William Smith starred in the sequel to Every Which Way But Loose, Any Which Way You Can (1980). This was released in US cinemas in December 1980, so I'm assuming William Smith filmed his scenes not long after filming on Hawaii Five-O's 12th season finished.

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post #490 of 499
1/10/12 at 9:45am
Finally broke down and got that last release (#12) of the original "Five-O." I figured that I couldn't listen to the naysayers anymore; after all, what they say is just an opinion. I might like it, and then again I might not.
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post #491 of 499
1/10/12 at 11:44am
Here's the episode guide insert from that #12 release:

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post #492 of 499
1/10/12 at 7:42pm
Got my season 12 set today. I really can't believe that we actually made it to the final season. When Paramount started releasing this series on DVD, I thought we'd only get the first six seasons at most. So glad that I was proven wrong.
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post #493 of 499
1/10/12 at 7:48pm
While CBS/P has been frustratingly slow with other series (if not flat out stalling so many of them), I have to admit that since they began releasing HAWAII FIVE-O back in spring 2007, they have been releasing them at a very brisk pace: 12 seasons in 5 years. Considering that the last 3 years have seen quite a slowdown in classic TV releases on DVD makes this feat all the more amazing. I guess it all adds up to the fact that fans kept gobbling them up as fast as CBS could release them, a testament to the classic cop show's enduring popularity over the decades (and which probably helps explain why we have a new version on the air today, where so many other remakes have quickly fizzled).

Many thanks, CBS/Paramount, for seeing this one through to the very end!
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post #494 of 499
1/13/12 at 7:53pm
I've watched the first four discs so far (one to go) and I have to say that this season really isn't all that great. The writing is noticeably weaker than previous seasons. A few of the episodes feel like we've heard those stories before. A couple of the episodes come off as nothing more than someone's weak attempt at being political. The gun control episode comes to mine. McGarrett jumps on his soap box in more than a few episodes and these speaches of his don't come off as natural.

The big let down for me this season is in the poor acting. Aside from Jack Lord, the rest of the cast are just not all that great. While the writing is weak, a weak script can be somewhat salvaged by competent acting and decent directing. Nothing is worse then poorly written dialogue poorly delivered. William Smith and Sharon Farrell are particularly dreadful. In fact, it seems that Sharon Farrell has all but vanished. No big loss really.

I also don't like that Duke has been pushed to the background. As the only returning cast member from season 11 he should have been given much , much more screen time than he got.

Overall, I do understand where this season's bad reputation came from. What a sad way for such a great show to end. While I only have four more episodes to watch, I really don't expect any improvement. Trully sad.
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post #495 of 499
1/13/12 at 9:05pm
Farrell pops up again in the next to last episode only because her episodes were aired out of sequence. She was basically fired halfway through production and years later she had some very harsh things to say about Jack Lord and his conduct during her time on the show.

I for one am skipping the gun control episode because I have no desire to hear a soapbox speech on the subject. Jack Webb at least knew how to give a "Jesus speech" with some style!

The more I see how weak the supporting cast for S12 is (more than ever, I realize it isn't so much Danno I miss as the other stalwart supporting players from previous years who SHOULD have still been around like Glenn Cannon, Al Eban, Harry Endo etc. to give some needed continuity), the more I'm glad the last episode with Wo Fat's return and capture doesn't have them around. If anything, the last episode is looking stronger when compared to the other episodes of S12.
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post #496 of 499
1/14/12 at 5:01am
I have watch several episodes of S12 and i will say it was different from the S1-S11 due Danno being gone and Duke given a lesser role. I do not remember much of S12 for Hawaii Five-O as i was 11-12 years old at the time and there was two tv sets in the house: 1. black and white 2. one color. It was not until about 1982 that our house had a second color tv set.

I will say a few things in defense of S12 and that is with Kelly gone after S10 and James Macarthur after S11 the show was trying to re-invent itself with the William Smith and Sharon Farrell. It has been posted in earlier threads about how both William Smith and Sharon Farrell joined Five-O and that was brilliantly scripted. It is hard for me to warm up to either William Smith or Sharon and especially William Smith as i remember him as adversary in Rich Man, Poor Man or in one of the Clint Eastwood Movies. William Smith is a very good actor, but i am just not sure that he makes a good detective.

I watched the episode with a young Kelly Preston and really like to know more about the other actress name Petra Fujii. Petra Fujii is only show in a few scenes with Kelly Preston and Patricia Hume. I tried to find more information on Petra Fuji, but it appears that maybe this was the only acting that she did.

I have watch other episodes and i have about 7 more episodes to watch and i will have completed my Hawaii Five-O series. I still have enjoy Hawaii Five-O, especially the earlier on episodes!!
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post #497 of 499
1/15/12 at 9:44am
i have compledt many of the episodes and i have the following observations:

1. Sharon Farrelll seems to disappear near the end of the dvd set. She did not show up on the intro near the final episodes of the show.

2. William Smith is a decent actor, but his personality does not suit being a police officer. William Smith is great as adversary (Rich Man, Poor Man) and/or fighter. However, William lacks crime investigating skills and that is very apparent when he meets with McGarrett to talk details on cases with him.

3. Duke, who was the only carry over from the series also seems to have a lesser role. It is too bad, because he does add something to the show!! I did like the episode where there was a curse placed on mcgarrett and native hawaiins had to avoid mcgarrett.
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post #498 of 499
1/29/12 at 7:06pm
I have completed watching S12 of Hawaii Five-O and love watching the last episode with Wo Fat. It is kind of ironic that Hawaii five-O starts and ends with Wo Fat. I love the last scene when Wo Fat is in jail and has file.

I am so glad that i have S1-S12 on dvd and now can watch them at anytime. I am huge police drama and love watching how crimes are solved good old police techniques, unlike CSI Miami that uses technology to solve crimes. I am all for the improvements in technology, especially on DNA sequencing or use of computers, etc. However, those aforementioned techniques do not replace instincts. It is the instincts on shows like Hawaii Five-O, Streets of San Francisco, Adam-12, etc that make solving crimes interesing!!
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post #499 of 499
1/30/12 at 10:19am
Do you think that at any time the original series will get a Blu? The current one did, so I'm sure that the original series will get one as well.
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