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1) Hellboy II: The Golden Army- Blu Ray
2) Wedding Crashers- DVD
3) Forgetting Sara Marshall- DVD
4) Empire of the Sun- DVD
5) The Incredible Hulk- Blu Ray
6) The Benchwarmers- Blu Ray
7) Kung Fu Panda- Blu Ray
8) 300- Standard TV
9) Children of Men- Standard TV
10) Hancock- Blu Ray
11) Drillbit Taylor- Blu Ray
12) Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull- Blu Ray
13) Firewall- DVD
14) The Big Bounce- DVD
15) The Transporter- Blu Ray
16) The Goonies- HD TV
17) The Island- DVD
18) The Forbidden Kingdom- Blu Ray
19) Paul Blart Mall Cop- Film Cinema
20) WALL-E- DVD
21) Hancock- Blu Ray
22) Casino- DVD
23) The Foot First Way- DVD
25) Howard the Duck- Hulu
26) Flight Plan- DVD
26) Jurassic Park- DVD
27) Catch me if you can- DVD
28) The Lost World: Jurassic Park- HD TV
29) The Terminal- DVD
post #392 of 1550

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
As for THE SEVENTH SEAL, can't say I'm shocked you didn't like it. Bergman's pacing just doesn't seem like it would go over too well with you.

You see? That kind of generalization is why it's so frustrating to even bother talking about films. So just because I don't like this film, this somehow means I can't tolerate a certain type of "pacing"? Never mind that I've enjoyed other so-called "slow films", or other foreign films (like most of what I've seen from Bunuel).

I used to know a guy like this. He'd recommend, say, a love story and if I didn't like it he'd smirk and say "well, I guess you don't like love stories!" -- meanwhile, I've enjoyed others.

In the case of THE SEVENTH SEAL, it was just one big incoherent blur. My problems with it had nothing whatsoever to do with "pacing", be it either too slow or too brisk. I didn't even mention such a thing in my review, which is another thing -- I'm not sure you ever really read people's post thoroughly, in all the years I've known you now.

If there's one thing about me and my taste in film, at least you never know what to expect.
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This fourth attempt at my themed viewings is going to be a little shuffled than in previous sessions due to unforeseen circumstances.


Drama Day #4:


02/07/09: THE WRESTLER (Darren Aronofsky, 2008)

This year I have been slow in catching up with the major Oscar contenders before the big night itself and this is only the second one of them that I have seen; considering the hype which preceded this film (even here on this Forum) and fully knowing my own skepticism about contemporary fare, I was wary of having to face bitter disappointment once I got to it. The irony is that, in spite of the ultra-familiar central premise and theme (it’s basically an indie version of ROCKY BALBOA [2006] but set in the world of Wrestling, about a has-been regaining self-respect and trying to sort out his personal life), the film still compels attention throughout – largely because it takes the character study route. It is certainly rare that an actor is given as direct an opportunity to invest a role with his own personal experiences but, in hindsight, all the praise showered on Mickey Rourke’s comeback performance is well-deserved. However, his female co-stars Marisa Tomei and Evan Rachel Wood – playing the protagonist’s girlfriend (an over-age stripper with a kid of her own) and estranged daughter respectively – aren’t forgotten by their director and allowed to leave their mark on the film as well; usually, I would have deplored the sex’n’drugs incident with the teenage groupie as being totally gratuitous but seeing how this was another of Rourke’s hit-and-miss attempts to connect with the two important females in his life, provides immense poignancy and the requisite touch of authenticity (aided, of course, by the unglamorous milieux, including Rourke’s humiliating stretch as a deli counter attendant). Admittedly, I used to be a big fan of wrestling as a kid, until the obviousness of the matches being staged (as opposed to real) started to grate on me; however, the sometimes extremely bloody fights on display here – especially one in which Rourke’s opponent empties a stapler on him! – reminded me even more of 2 wrestling-themed Japanese animated series I have fond memories of: TIGER MASK (1969-71) and its follow-up (1981-82)! Still, I was surprised to see the various contestants actually ‘scripting’ their bouts beforehand…not to mention Rourke helping out with the sensationalistic aspect of the sport via self-inflicted wounds while supposedly knocked out in the ring! Another big plus to the film is the nostalgic 1980s soundtrack full of big stadium rockers, but the ambiguously open-ended conclusion was perhaps misjudged.


02/07/09: THE FIELD (Jim Sheridan, 1990)

Being an avid follower of the Oscars ever since the 1984 ceremony has sometimes served to alert me about small movies which had nevertheless obtained at least one major accolade; this powerful Irish drama was just such a case and, appropriately enough, it has taken me all of 18 years to finally watch it! Richard Harris deservedly received his second personal Academy Award nomination (and the film’s sole Oscar nod) for his riveting portrayal of an old farmer who is not about to let a visiting Irish-American (Tom Berenger) take away the titular plot of land which he has slaved for years over to breathe new life into. The colorful cast of characters is rounded up by John Hurt (as the mischievous village idiot), Brenda Fricker (as Harris’ wife – whom he has not spoken to for 18 years, since the accidental death of his son, despite still living under the same roof with her), Sean Bean (as Harris’ immature other offspring) and Jenny Conroy (as the sultry village hussy whom Bean eventually takes up with over Harris’ objections). The film – which opens with the startling donkey disposal incident and closes with the mass suicide of a herd of cows that has tragic consequences – is often beautiful to look and has a fine Elmer Bernstein score into the bargain but, truthfully, its real trump card remains, as I mentioned above, Harris’ tour-de-force central performance.
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Originally Posted by Mario Gauci

02/07/09: THE WRESTLER (Darren Aronofsky, 2008)

considering the hype which preceded this film (even here on this Forum) and fully knowing my own skepticism about contemporary fare, I was wary of having to face bitter disappointment once I got to it.

Mario, somehow I doubt you would have been disappointed!
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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
If there's one thing about me and my taste in film, at least you never know what to expect.

You always say this as to hold yourself up high in that you're no phony and you'll always give an honest opinion on what you watch. You're tootin' your own horn here buddy. It's easy to see ones taste in film and since you really don't go out of your way to watch certain, high quality films, this is where my comments come from. I'm sure if you were really interested in Bergman you would have caught up with him somewhere in the 48-years of your life (sorry if I got the number wrong). From your post it seems like your friend brought a movie over, one you weren't expecting to watch, and you didn't like it.

You always want to think people are attacking you for your taste when that's not the case at all. You even waited for me to attack you on THE SEVENTH SEAL and you even asked me why I didn't comment on it. You ask, I tell and then you get upset about mean-old Michael saying you don't like this or that. You want the comments but then you don't want to accept what I say or you seem to think I'm being mean about it. You can't have it both ways. As you see, I wasn't even going to comment on your not liking it.

If you found THE SEVENTH SEAL to be hard to follow, then this is on you. I'd recommend you read some reviews out there that would fully explain the story to you. If you plan on seeing future Bergman movies then I'd recommend getting yourself familiar, going into them, on what to expect. Bergman isn't exactly easy to slip into so I would highly recommending getting your mood right before entering one. I love the man but there are certain times when he is a major no-no.

Are people going to roll their eyes when they see you enjoyed MOTHER'S DAY more than THE SEVENTH SEAL? Perhaps but so what? Why do you care if some guy on IMDB thinks you're an idiot?
post #396 of 1550

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
You always say this as to hold yourself up high in that you're no phony and you'll always give an honest opinion on what you watch. You're tootin' your own horn here buddy.

It's the honest truth. I have no particular "style", and I am always surprised by what I like or do not like.

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It's easy to see ones taste in film and since you really don't go out of your way to watch certain, high quality films, this is where my comments come from.

I know you and Mario (and others) are tired of this repetition, but your remark here forces me to repeat it -- I am not trying to be any kind of "Film Guru" or "Film Completist", which is something you are obviously always trying to accomplish. But I see plenty of "high quality films" along with the rest. I just rented the well-regarded THE INNOCENTS and BLACKBOARD JUNGLE without any prodding.

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I'm sure if you were really interested in Bergman you would have caught up with him somewhere in the 48-years of your life (sorry if I got the number wrong). From your post it seems like your friend brought a movie over, one you weren't expecting to watch, and you didn't like it.

It'll be 47 later his year.
Be that as it may, so what? It speaks a lot for me in that I am open-minded enough to the point where, once my friend said he wished to show me the Bergman film, that I said "sure". If I didn't want to try it I would have told him to bring something else.

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You always want to think people are attacking you for your taste when that's not the case at all. You even waited for me to attack you on THE SEVENTH SEAL and you even asked me why I didn't comment on it. You ask, I tell and then you get upset about mean-old Michael saying you don't like this or that. You want the comments but then you don't want to accept what I say or you seem to think I'm being mean about it. You can't have it both ways. As you see, I wasn't even going to comment on your not liking it.

It is perfectly logical on my part, based on past elitist experience, to expect such this time, as well.

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If you found THE SEVENTH SEAL to be hard to follow, then this is on you. I'd recommend you read some reviews out there that would fully explain the story to you.

No, it's not on me - it's on the movie (unless I wasn't that alert on a given day, which was not the case while watching SEVENTH SEAL). And I have read reviews since which "explained" it, but it doesn't matter; the movie itself failed to make any sense; as such, I deem it an unrewarding filmgoing experience.

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Are people going to roll their eyes when they see you enjoyed MOTHER'S DAY more than THE SEVENTH SEAL? Perhaps but so what? Why do you care if some guy on IMDB thinks you're an idiot?

It doesn't matter, because it's a coincidence that we just happen to be discussing two VERY DIFFERENT types of films here at the same time. It's apples and oranges, and one type has nothing to do with the other. One should not compare such different themes, genres, etc...
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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
Mario, somehow I doubt you would have been disappointed!

Maybe the phrase I used - "bitter disappointment" - was excessive on my part...but, it's no secret that ratings over for contemporary movies from me are incredibly rare and, frankly, a 2-hour "wallow in self-pity" that THE WRESTLER (2008) promised to be wasn't too enticing to begin with! Still, Michael's most impassioned review of it over here made me get to it sooner rather than later and I'm very glad it lived up to all the hype for once.

It's good that Michael is able to enjoy and admire so much of what modern cinema has to offer - just look at his liberal sprinkling of ratings to films of 2008 (or recent vintage) - but, watching them myself afterwards, I was never that much impressed. I'm still glad that his rave about BLACK WATER (2007) introduced me to a terrific Aussie horror flick which might have otherwise got lost among the myraid "killer crocodile" clones we have all suffered from since the fondly-remembered ALLIGATOR (1980)!


P.S. I'm afraid you'll have to wait at the very least another 24 hours for my rebuttal of your review of THE SEVENTH SEAL (1957)...but, don't you worry, Tuesday is a Public Holiday over here and I have all day to stretch my fingers and reply as exhaustively as that film warrants!
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OK Joe, Bergman couldn't make any sense out of THE SEVENTH SEAL.
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2/6 The Green Mile (1999):

I got about what I expected out of this film. It is a well-produced, well-acted, moving drama about the people on both sides of death row. Some of the subject matter is not to my taste, but I cannot deny that the movie is very successful at what it does. I have rarely seen villains written and portrayed as purely evil this effectively. I also have to mention the outstanding James Cromwell, who elevates any part he plays above what he's given in the script.

2/7 Failed Attempt: Mad Max

I gave this one 20 minutes and turned it off in disgust. I don't care to spend time in that particular post-apocalyptic future, and none of the characters, even Gibson's, appeal to me. I'm guessing that I should take The Road Warrior off of my Netflix queue, right?
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02/04/09

Rhapsody in Blue
(1945) Dir: Irving Rapper
Production: Warner Bros.

Enjoyable biopic about composer George Gershwin. Even at over two hours, the film has most of the major moments in his life fly by in brief scenes, mostly so that room can be made for impressive performances and arrangements of the music. Not a great film, but the music alone makes it vital.

Robert Alda, in his first film role, plays Gershwin, as we see him go from humble beginnings in Brooklyn to his frustrating days as a 'song plugger' in Tin Pan Alley; his big break when his song 'Swanee' gets in the hands of Al Jolson; his scoring of several of the George White's Scandals shows; his conquering of Broadway; and finally, his artistic development through 'Rhapsody in Blue', 'An American in Paris' and 'Porgy and Bess'. Alda is not really anybody's idea of George Gershwin (John Garfield campaigned for the part), and in his first role he seems a bit mechanical, but he does a nice job on the central dramatic tension in the story--Gershwin's struggle between the two worlds of classical and popular music and his intense drive to make something new out of them. Although Alda isn't heard on the soundtrack, his piano fingering certainly looks authentic. Joan Leslie and Alexis Smith are love interests who can't compete with the music. Morris Carnovsky and Rosemary DeCamp play the Gershwin parents. Herbert Rudley plays Ira Gershwin and, if nothing else, looks remarkably like a young Morris Carnovsky. Charles Coburn plays a pop music publisher and Albert Basserman plays a classical-minded teacher, the two competing interests. Real life Gershwin associates Oscar Levant (who dubs all the piano parts), Paul Whiteman, Al Jolson and George White play themselves for added verisimilitude. There are complaints about rather important people in Gershwin's life being left out, like Fred Astaire and Gertrude Lawrence, but when you consider that Chico Marx, who is mentioned twice in the movie in a small scene, sued Warners for $200k over "services rendered", you can understand the expense it must have been just to get the story together as it was. The show stopper is a nearly 9 minute performance of 'Rhapsody in Blue' conducted by Whiteman, recreating the historic first performance of the piece at New York's Aeolian Hall.

out of 4



02/05/09

No Greater Glory
(1934) Dir: Frank Borzage
Production: Columbia Pictures

Sharp, anti-war parable about rival kid gangs battling over a vacant lot, with barely a lapse into heavy-handedness, from a novel by Ferenc Molnár (LILIOM, THE SWAN, THE GOOD FAIRY). 'The Paul Street Boys' and their leader, Boka (Jimmy Butler), are the current holders of the lot, but they're being threatened by 'The Red Shirts', a gang of bigger, older boys, led by Feri Ats (Frankie Darro). The kids take their war games earnestly--the gangs assign military ranks and dress in uniforms--but the whole conflict is innocent enough and grounded more in ceremony and play than any real animosity. But when one boy, Nemecsek (George Breakston), the lone private in the Paul Street gang, shows he will do anything to belong, things start to go wrong and the boys learn a hard lesson about the futility of 'war'. The question of course with all these types of stories is, will that lesson hold?

It was smart to frame the allegory within a kids game, it makes even the cliches seem fresh (such as when the pee wee of the gang, Nemecsek, proves himself with an act of courage or when a traitor is booted out of the gang and as a result his father threatens to punish him). The kid actors all do a great job (Breakston, Butler, Darro, Jackie Searl, and Donald Haines are familiar faces if not names). The film is splendidly photographed by Joseph August (THE INFORMER, THEY WERE EXPENDABLE, THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER), particularly a nighttime scene in which the Paul Street Boys raid the Red Shirts camp to bring back their captured flag. Borzage handles the emotion expertly throughout the picture. The final scenes really slam the point home, but not in a clumsy way. And the film ends on a note of extreme dark humor which is very effective. As if to put a final exclamation point on the message, actors Butler and Haines later died in action in WWII.

out of 4
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FRANK BORZAGE - "Far Side Of Paradise"
No Greater Glory (1934) , Big City (1937)
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I'm doing something I've never done before. I'm using the ignore feature on a forum. Michael and Joe's ENDLESS bickering is just too irritating. Joe being too thick-headed to comprehend Seventh Seal (not that difficult a film, btw) wasn't quite the last straw, but the string of childish, condescending back-and-forth jabs afterwards was. Get a divorce, you two. Just stop baiting each other. You both act like petulant little brats. I actually prefer reading george kaplan's posts.

I guess this thread will seem mighty quiet without seeing two of its most frequent posters, but I can't take it anymore. Everyone else, I enjoy reading your thoughts (admittedly, I don't read them ALL).
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Originally Posted by Mario Gauci
P.S. I'm afraid you'll have to wait at the very least another 24 hours for my rebuttal of your review of THE SEVENTH SEAL (1957)...but, don't you worry, Tuesday is a Public Holiday over here and I have all day to stretch my fingers and reply as exhaustively as that film warrants!

Mario, that's fine with me but you may have to check with St. Martin (Teller) first to make sure he permits going too far off into a spirited "rebuttal"!
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The Man in the White Suit - Another solid Ealing Studios comedy. Like the others, I found it more "amusing" than "funny", but that's fine. I enjoyed it as a quick & easy watch, and it's well-constructed with yet another fine performance from Alec Guinness. Like I'm All Right Jack, it touches on a sensitive issue (in this case, scientific progress vs. social & economic welfare) without taking sides. Just when you think it's about to sway too uncomfortably to one side, it makes a case for the other. Rating: 7


Le Deuxième souffle - Jean-Pierre Melville and gangsters, this can't possibly be that bad, right? Right? Well, not exactly. The compositions are striking throughout, but the plotting leaves something to be desired. Certain points are exciting, but the downtime in between is a lot of fussing about with people getting from point A to point B or person X talking about person Y. Some of it is necessary to propel the story, but so much of it is done in a really dull fashion. I've never been this restless and unengaged with a Melville film except for La Silence de la Mer. I've always thought he's a little overrated, but his crime movies are always at least fun to watch. This one simply failed to grab me. The first hour especially is a real chore, partly because it takes a while to figure out who everyone is in relation to each other. The remaining hour and a half is an improvement, but never really takes off. It's a film with some fine qualities, particularly if you're fond of that fatalistic French gangster style, but needs some trimming. Rating: 6


The Tragedy of Othello: The Moor of Venice - Nothing makes me feel dumber than Shakespeare. Going into this, I didn't know one damn thing about "Othello". I've got the gist of it now, of course, but I'm sure I missed quite a bit of it. The language is so dense and twisted, and it doesn't help that the actors are often racing through their lines. So I didn't comprehend roughly 40% of the dialogue, and spent the first act feeling very confused. I still don't know why Iago is such a dick, but I guess I could look it up. The other thing is that the film itself feels rushed, and undoubtedly large portions of the tale have been excised for the screen. But it's still a really compelling tale and jealousy and subterfuge, and although it's not one of my favorites by Welles, I liked it far more than I expected to. Except for his inconsistent blackface and some sketchy ADR work (often an issue with Welles), the film is technically stunning. Almost every shot is in some way breathtaking or unusual or just looks freakin' cool. I don't know how Shakespeare scholars view this movie, but it certainly made the Bard a little more palatable for me. Perhaps I should even give Chimes at Midnight a second look. Rating: 7


A Patch of Blue - As I slipped this disc into the player, I thought "What am I getting myself into? This looks terrible, why did I want to see it?" And let's be honest: it's sappy, sentimental, manipulative, and fairly predictable. The story of a blind white teenage girl from an awful family who befriends/falls for a black man. Shelley Winters as the mother is a nasty, selfish, awful demon and Sidney Poitier is a paragon of virtue and dignity. There's no room for ambiguity or subtlety here. And yet, it's still not as horrible as I feared. Jerry Goldsmith's syrupy score is the worst aspect, but everything else is decent. Winters and Poitier may have cartoonishly extreme roles to work with, but they're both such riveting presences onscreen. The plot moves swiftly enough, with a few interesting nuances like the music box. Heavy-handed tripe, perhaps, but quite watchable. Rating: 6
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Originally Posted by Martin Teller
I'm doing something I've never done before. I'm using the ignore feature on a forum. Michael and Joe's ENDLESS bickering is just too irritating. Joe being too thick-headed to comprehend Seventh Seal (not that difficult a film, btw) wasn't quite the last straw, but the string of childish, condescending back-and-forth jabs afterwards was. Get a divorce, you two. Just stop baiting each other. You both act like petulant little brats. I actually prefer reading george kaplan's posts.

I guess this thread will seem mighty quiet without seeing two of its most frequent posters, but I can't take it anymore. Everyone else, I enjoy reading your thoughts (admittedly, I don't read them ALL).

Since you won't be reading this it won't matter what I write here. This is a discussion thread and I'm sorry you've missed this the past few years that you've written in it. I'm sure next year I could create a "Track the Films You Watch as Long as You Agree With Everyone and Keep Your Comments to Yourself Thread Unless It's Picking on a Father for Showing His Son Classic Films". If you don't want discussion then it's best to ignore people and just keep notes for yourself.

You should really look into the mirror before coming down on others. I never stepped up with your countless jokes at George, which were uncalled for, although sometimes funny. If the only thing I do in this thread is argue then you certainly need to ignore it. By doing so you're missing the biggest point of this thread but since you're against discussing anything I doubt you ever fully understood it. There are millions of blogs, message boards, IMDB reviews and so on where people can post reviews. This thread is for discussion or as much as it can happen. I've yet to visit a single thread that doesn't sometimes break out into an argument.

If two people can argue about the cover art not being used for a disc or two people can argue over the aspect ratio to a Sirk film then by God they can argue about a movie. People can throw sly remarks about someone being too thick headed to comprehend something or they can have a chat about it. You like to throw the remarks while I'd rather debate something even if it gets heated. We might disagree on what to throw out here besides our notes but I'll keep reading yours.

I'm not sure why you needed to announce your actions unless it was to throw in that "thick headed" comment but hopefully you'll change your opinion one day.
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Bloody Moon (1981) Jess Franco

Original title: Die Sage des Todes

Spanish director Jess Franco wasn't shy from jumping into a genre, which was proving popular at the time he did his jumping. This time out the director jumps into the slasher genre after films like Halloween and Friday the 13th had proven to be money-making gold. As the film starts a deformed man kills a woman after she turns down his sexual advances. He's sent to a mental hospital but five years later he is released and soon afterwards more bodies begin to pile up. This film doesn't really work and it's certainly not on the level of the best slashers out there. While it would fall somewhere down by the middle-ground American movies, I'd rank this a little higher since it doesn't limit itself to the certain rules that were in American slashers. As with a lot of Franco's work from this period, it's budget allowed for some nice stuff including the cinematography, which manages to be pretty good here. Another bonus are the special effects, which while some are obviously fake, they still come off looking good. We have a wide range of murders here ranging from simple stabbings to the most famous one where a woman has her head chopped off by a industrial saw. The saw effect is somewhat hit and miss but the gore that pumps out makes for an interesting moment to say the least. It's also interesting at how Franco plays with not only the victim but even the viewer during the scene. The performances are about average for what you'd see in a movie like this but the main reason to view this is simply for Franco's eyes on the genre. The director also doesn't shy away from lifting stuff from other films and that includes the opening sequence of Halloween and Mario Bava's structure to Twitch of the Death Nerve also seems to have been an influence here. Those expecting an American slasher are going to be disappointed but if you're a fan of Spanish cinema or Franco then you'll certainly want to check this out just to see how Uncle Jess handled it differently than what we'd normally see.

Hitler Lives (1945) No Director Credited

Stupid yet very strong propaganda film made by the War Department warning U.S. soldiers still in Germany not to trust their people even though the war is over. The documentary short tells us why German's are such evil people without holding back any punches. This type of thing certainly isn't going to sit well when viewed today but I suppose it did have a purpose in 1945 but even then this thing just goes way too far. The film preaches a lot of hatred while at the same time telling us that German people are wrong because they hate others. This film preaches that Americans are better yet it puts Germans down because they think they are better. This film preaches that German's hate other races and that American's "can love all races" yet I guess that didn't includes blacks considering how they were treated in our country in 1945. This film goes even further about shaking hands of German people because those same hands are the ones that killed women and children. We get some very graphic photos of various dead bodies being burned, buried or hung. There are some really ugly images here that many are going to turn their head away from but in the end it's all to throw fear at Americans. While this film is rather unpleasant to watch there's no doubt it's rather original as I can't recall too much preaching this much hatred.

Service with the Colors (1940) B. Reeves Eason

Oscar-nominated, Technicolor short has four men joining the Army at the same time and we see their struggles as they try to make it. The film mainly centers on one who joined just to fight in a war but he isn't getting his way because there's no war to fight. He ends up battling with one of his sergeants (Robert Armstong) who though it all still sees something in him. This is a pretty good little film that manages to get a good message off even though Pearl Harbor would happen not too long after this was released. The film features some very strong performances by King Kong famed Armstrong as well as William Lundigan, Henry O'Neill, William T. Orr and Herbert Anderson. The direction by Eason isn't over the top and he has no trouble at telling the story and even packing a lot of stuff into the 20-minute running time. I think Armstong's character comes off a lot nicer than he probably would have in real life but that's a minor issue.

Curious Case of Benjamin Button, The (2008) David Fincher

David Fincher's latest tells the story of Benjamin Button (Brad Pitt), a man who ages backwards with various consequences throughout his life. If Forrest Gump was about a simple man doing extraordinary things then Button is a extraordinary man doing simple things. This was the last of the five Best Picture nominees for me to watch and I must admit that going into the movie the entire storyline left me rather skeptical to say the least. I really wasn't sure what to expect since the film sounded like Forrest Gump 2 and while the two films share a lot in common this one here is remarkable enough on its own to really pack a terrific punch. Button doesn't do anything overly special in his life except live and fall in love and these simple things are what makes the film so memorable. Clocking in at close to three-hours I must say that I hoped the movie would keep going as not once did it feel overlong or as if the story was running out of things to say. I think the most interesting thing is that director Fincher really paces the film in a way to where the viewer can see Button's life unfold but at the same time have the viewer wonder what they would have done under the same circumstances. The way Button learns to live and love makes for plenty of great drama as well as plenty of laughs but that the same time it's quite remarkable at how touching and uplifting all of it is. The special effects in the film are also quite remarkable because there never take away from the story that's going on. The are various effects being used with the CGI looking great in recapturing the look of the 1920's and 1930's. The real special effects come in how they get Pitt to look like a child, an old man and back to a kid. The visual effects used here, and I'd be lying if I said I understood them, are quite remarkable to look at but again, what's most remarkable is that they don't take you out of the story. A lot of credit also has to go to Pitt who turns in another great performances. One can only imagine what was going through his head as he tried to come up with the various emotions that would go into a role like this. I mean seriously, how does one prepare to have the body of a 80-year-old man but the mind of a baby? Is there some special class to take about having the brain of an 80-year-old yet the body of an infant? Pitt nails everything his character goes through and that includes the terrific vocal work that he must tackle throughout the film. The supporting players, Julia Ormond, Cate Blanchett, Tilda Swinton and Taraji P. Henson all deliver excellent supporting work but there's no question that the film belongs to Pitt. Some might balk at the film saying life doesn't work this way and perhaps that's true but a lot of the film is a fantasy but one written so close to human nature that it's not hard to imagine what you see is set in a reality. If I could have changed anything about the film it would have been how the story is told as Blanchett's character is on her death bed going back through a diary of Button's. I think the story could have been told straight but this is just a minor issue. When the credits finally started I couldn't help but feel incredibly moved by what I had just seen and this is certainly one of the year's best.
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Since you won't be reading this it won't matter what I write here. This is a discussion thread and I'm sorry you've missed this the past few years that you've written in it. I'm sure next year I could create a "Track the Films You Watch as Long as You Agree With Everyone and Keep Your Comments to Yourself Thread Unless It's Picking on a Father for Showing His Son Classic Films". If you don't want discussion then it's best to ignore people and just keep notes for yourself.

You should really look into the mirror before coming down on others. I never stepped up with your countless jokes at George, which were uncalled for, although sometimes funny. If the only thing I do in this thread is argue then you certainly need to ignore it. By doing so you're missing the biggest point of this thread but since you're against discussing anything I doubt you ever fully understood it. There are millions of blogs, message boards, IMDB reviews and so on where people can post reviews. This thread is for discussion or as much as it can happen. I've yet to visit a single thread that doesn't sometimes break out into an argument.

If two people can argue about the cover art not being used for a disc or two people can argue over the aspect ratio to a Sirk film then by God they can argue about a movie. People can throw sly remarks about someone being too thick headed to comprehend something or they can have a chat about it. You like to throw the remarks while I'd rather debate something even if it gets heated. We might disagree on what to throw out here besides our notes but I'll keep reading yours.

I'm not sure why you needed to announce your actions unless it was to throw in that "thick headed" comment but hopefully you'll change your opinion one day.



What a brilliant, spot-on post. It pulls no punches and says it all.

Michael, I have to say that if you and I "should get a divorce" (as Martin sarcastically says), then he certainly is often the catalyst that helps us two to come together again and bond, when he chimes in with his nasty one-note comments. He's no better than anyone else when he resorts to insults as he does. I know that type.

The most correct thing you have said here is that THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A DISCUSSION THREAD. It's not about simply keeping your own quiet movie notes to yourself without any interaction from others, though of course if someone feels more comfortable staying out of any debates or talks and just posting their reviews, they're also free to do so -- but then just don't start butting in to offer "I'm Holier Than Thou" chastizing aimed at others who are having a spirited debate -- even if it involves occasional tweaking or bickering on occasion (and contrary to what Martin said, you and I don't do this "endlessly", even if it may seem like it to some; there are others who've said they get a kick out of it too).

As for his "thick-headed" remark, nothing is more thick-headed in my book than crying and putting people on "Ignore", rather then just facing them and dealing with an issue. If someone doesn't like two or more other people getting into a debate, or it occasionally getting heated, than stay out of the kitchen. Keep the mouth (or the keyboard in this case) shut and just zip past the storm and continue posting your own little mini-reviews here, or on a blog or some lone database somewhere else.
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I really wasn't sure what to expect since the film sounded like Forrest Gump 2 and while the two films share a lot in common
I have to say, the TV adverts for this movie did absolutely nothing for me (although that doesn't necessarily mean anything), but I've been curious to see it as I've enjoyed most of Fincher's films. I expect I probably will see it someday, but I'm certainly less enthused about it if it's in any way comparable to Forrest Gump
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2/8 Men in Black (1997): 1/2

The mixture of sci-fi, comedy, and action in Men in Black works wonderfully. The editing is something I usually do not comment on, but the way the movie shifts back and forth between discovering MiB and Edgar's quest is worthy of mention. Scenes like the upside-down car in the tunnel are just plain fun.
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Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949)

Part of the Alec Guinness collection this was a fun movie showing the British penchant for dark comedy quite well. Though Alec Guinness is outstanding in his many roles, it is Dennis Price who shines here as Louis Mazzini, a man who kills his way through his estranged family in order to gain a title and avenge his mother.

Lavender Hill Mob (1951)

Another gem from the Guinness collection, this will probably be my favourite of the lot. Both Alec Guinness and Stanley Holloway give outstanding performances as the two masterminds behind a gold heist. There are many classic scenes here such as the chase on the Eiffel tower to name just one. If these two movies are any indication, I'm sure I'll enjoy all of them in this set.
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Originally Posted by Dave Gorman
I have to say, the TV adverts for this movie did absolutely nothing for me (although that doesn't necessarily mean anything), but I've been curious to see it as I've enjoyed most of Fincher's films. I expect I probably will see it someday, but I'm certainly less enthused about it if it's in any way comparable to Forrest Gump

The whole FORREST GUMP thing is rather interesting because Eric Roth wrote both screenplays. I really can't say BUTTON was a "rip" or anything else since both films were based on novels and I haven't read either one. I think the "Gump is a simple man doing extraordinary things and Button is an extraordinary man doing simple things" is the best way to put it. I had watched all the Best Picture noms when they were released except for this one, which had me nervous because of the GUMP-like storyline and the running time but I'm glad I watched it and honestly can't wait to see it again. I've also held off watching Fincher's ZODIAC because of the running time and feeling a bit strange about its take on the subject but I'll probably be rushing to see this one now.

If one can buy the gimmick of someone being born old then I think the film will work for them.
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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
If one can buy the gimmick of someone being born old then I think the film will work for them.
Tx for the info. I'll have to check it out when it comes to BD.

I didn't enjoy Zodiac as much as some of Fincher's other films, but I still gave it 4 stars (out of 5).
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I've also held off watching Fincher's ZODIAC because of the running time and feeling a bit strange about its take on the subject but I'll probably be rushing to see this one now.

Mike, I think you would really like Zodiac. It's funny, but the first time I watched it, I was bored and felt it was one of Fincher's worst. I re-watched it about a month later and had quite a different reaction to the movie. Though long, I was totally engrossed and ended up giving it 4.5 out of 5 stars.
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02/07/09

Intruder in the Dust
(1949) Dir: Clarence Brown
Production: MGM

Excellent 'Southern Gothic' tale, adapted from the Faulkner novel, about a black man, accused of the murder of a white man, who asks a young white boy he has befriended to help him prove his innocence. Lucas Beauchamp (Juano Hernandez) is something of an anomaly in this small town. He's a black man who owns the land he lives on and doesn't think much of the diseased social order that mostly keeps the peace here and in many similar small towns. So when Lucas is found holding a gun over the dead body of Vinson Gowrie, shot in the back no less, young Chick Mallison (Claude Jarman) (who Lucas once saved after Chick fell through the ice while hunting on his land) fears that the town finally has the chance to "make Lucas a nigger." Arrested, and with a very real chance of being lynched before the night is through, Lucas reaches out to Chick for help, as the only person he knows "not cluttered with notions". Chick asks his Uncle John, a lawyer, to defend Lucas and while the man is initially bothered by his own notions he agrees and they race against the gathering mob to save Lucas' life.

The film has an uncommon frankness for its time and is mostly free of moralizing. The lawyer character has a tendency to speak incredibly self-aware dialogue that sounds mostly like written prose, but it has minimal impact on the tone. That's a credit to the rich characterization of everyone else. Juano Hernandez, who had mostly appeared in Oscar Micheaux films, is superb as the proud Lucas. Porter Hall as the murdered man's father, in maybe the best role I've ever seen him in, and Elizabeth Patterson as a plucky old lady sympathetic to Lucas' case, standout in support roles. The setting is perfectly realized. It is actually filmed in Oxford, Mississippi, Faulkner's hometown. Brown also uses the crowd in an effective way, it's always an anonymous mob against a single person (like Lucas when he's arrested or John when he's going up to his office), that is very threatening. Or the grotesquerie of the whole town gathering at the jailhouse to witness the lynching like it was a parade. Of note is an absolutely riveting scene when Chick and his friend Aleck go evidence gathering in a cemetery. Robert Surtees (THE BAD AND THE BEAUTIFUL, THIRTY SECONDS OVER TOKYO, BEN-HUR) shot the picture.

out of 4
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CLARENCE BROWN - "Subjects For Further Research"
Intruder in the Dust (1949)



02/07/09

Operation Mad Ball
(1957) Dir: Richard Quine
Production: Columbia Pictures

Irreverent Pvt. Hogan (Jack Lemmon) plans a huge party, or 'mad ball', for the nurses and enlisted men of an army hospital in France just after the end of WWII. Opposing him is the unctuous Capt. Locke (Ernie Kovacs), always trying to catch Hogan in one of his schemes, but doomed to fail. That's essentially the film, Hogan trying to put this party together, coming up against a new obstacle, and outwitting Locke. As a comedy it was good-natured for sure, but certainly no laugh riot. And as a satire of the service, it was a little tired (idiots are in charge, anything that gets done is through the ingenuity of the buck privates) but okay.

This is another film that seems likely to me to have had some influence on MASH. Arthur O'Connell plays a genial but clueless colonel. Kovacs is a weasel-y captain and Lemmon is an insolent private on the make for a cute nurse (played here by Kathryn Grant). They're all good enough. Actually Lemmon is really good but the material just isn't that 'LOLZ' funny, although there are a number of 'heh' moments. Mickey Rooney adds needed energy, dialed up to 11 as usual, in a small role.

out of 4
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RICHARD QUINE - "Miscellany"
Operation Mad Ball (1957)



02/07/09

They Won't Believe Me
(1947) Dir: Irving Pichel
Production: RKO Radio Pictures

A philandering husband on trial for murder has to explain how his wife and one of his girlfriends died. The film opens with the trial as Larry Ballentine (Robert Young) takes the stand and recounts his story in flashback (okay, so that's not exactly how trials work). Larry is trapped in a loveless marriage with his rich wife Greta (Rita Johnson) and begins a relationship with his wife's lovely friend, Janice (Jane Greer). Greta finds out about it and basically 'buys' Larry back, which further humiliates him. He then has another affair with his office's secretary, Verna (Susan Hayward). Larry and Verna plan to run off together, but a car crash and another accident end those plans. Larry takes this opportunity to get out from under Greta and set himself up with her cash. But these types of plans tend to go awry, don't they?

Sort of like a reverse gender POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE, but the veracity of Larry's story is never determined. We either take his word for it or not, so the audience is the film's jury. While his story is improbable, the evidence fits either conclusion, guilty or not guilty. Robert Young is fine playing against type, a low-life, alleged homme fatale. Rita Johnson is also good as the aggrieved wife. The girlfriends are supposed to represent different ends of the spectrum, and their fates reflect that, with Greer as the good girl and Hayward as the tramp. Unfortunately, the film is never quite as lurid as the story begs it to be. Sports an outlandish twist ending (which presumably resulted in a heap of trouble for a certain court officer).

out of 4
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The Seventh Seal (1957)

Let me make this pretty quick -- a friend brought this Ingmar Bergman "classic" to the house last night (on Blu-ray), and it was my first experience with this acclaimed filmmaker. All I can say is, I was immediately struck by the cinematography, and I started getting interested in the idea of a knight (Max von Sydow) playing chess with "Death" himself, as a means of deciding the fate of his own soul.... but that's as far as it went.

From then on, nothing made much sense and the noble core idea of the film (presumably about questioning death, and the existence of God) seemed to go out the window, as we spend our time with secondary characters I just could not become interested in. I wanted to focus more on Max von Sydow's troubled crusader and his crisis of faith, especially since I myself am presently going through some personal bouts of despair in my personal life with my own crosses to bear... but he was only sparingly used, and I just could not follow any type of coherent storyline to this thing, for all its pretty picture style. There was no story, just images... and it's not that this approach never works for me in other films, but it didn't connect for me this time. I can't say that this is going to be my last visitation with Bergman, but this is not a promising start, considering this is allegedly one of his greatest works, if not THE greatest. Apologies to Woody Allen. Okay, let the slings and arrows fly.

First of all, as much as I can understand Martin’s objections at the re-runs of “The Michael vs. Joe Show”, I wholeheartedly agree with Michael’s reply (and not just because we go a long way back). In fact, one of the reasons that has made me rethink my verbose reviewing style is that they simply weren’t generating much response (if at all) over here. I admit that a fraction of what I watch might be completely unknown to most film buffs but, frankly, this just didn’t seem like a discussion thread to me but simply a place where one keeps his own personal notes on what he has been watching. That in itself is a valid reason to be here, of course, but it’s nice to see some interaction occasionally…be it perceptive, funny, enlightening or just child-like! I’ll freely admit to reading some people’s posts while skipping others; initially I even bypassed the episodes in the “Michael vs. Joe” saga dealing with SMALL TIME CROOKS (2000) and MOTHER’S DAY (1980) but then went back to them when they started to sound like essential reading. Martin also mentioned that even George Kaplan was preferable to their bickering…but how can that be when Kaplan has been absent for over a month and no one (unless I missed something) seems bothered by it?

To get to Joe’s views on THE SEVENTH SEAL (1957): the first thing that strikes me is that – by accident or design, willingly or not, successfully or not – he has gone and done something that I’ve been suggesting to him for years. I know all too well that he doesn’t subscribe to the auteur theory but I often wondered why someone who considers BEN-HUR (1959) to be the greatest film of all time should not also be interested in other films of William Wyler’s like DODSWORTH (1936), WUTHERING HEIGHTS (1939), THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (1946) or DETECTIVE STORY (1951); thankfully, he has since become a fan of Bette Davis so that makes a viewing of Wyler’s JEZEBEL (1938), THE LETTER (1940) and THE LITTLE FOXES (1941) stand a better chance of becoming a reality eventually. Also, being a big fan of the East End/Bowery Boys from like forever, I suppose he has seen Wyler’s DEAD END (1937) by now but I stand to be corrected. In the case of THE SEVENTH SEAL, his admiration for Woody Allen has made him concede to a viewing of the most famous work of the bespectacled one’s No. 1 cinematic idol, Ingmar Bergman. Seeing him take this step almost makes his final verdict of the film itself (which, unsurprisingly if you ask me, came out negative – although he’ll no doubt shake his head in disapproval at this conclusion of mine) almost beside the point.

I was already familiar with a handful of Bergman films by the time I got to see THE SEVENTH SEAL on VHS in Christmas 1996; actually, this was my first of tonnes of world cinema classics imported from the UK which would, somewhat sadly, be rendered obsolete in 5 years’ time when I adopted the DVD format. Occasionally, I would even manage to convince my conventional film fan of a father to watch some of these with my twin brother and me but, while he liked this and Bergman’s THE FACE aka THE MAGICIAN (1958) – with which I was already familiar from Italian TV but which I purchased on VHS simultaneously with SEAL – he kept wishing for Akira Kurosawa’s 208-minute SEVEN SAMURAI (1954) to be over!!

But, let’s go back to how I first heard about THE SEVENTH SEAL i.e. Leslie Halliwell’s 1977 film guide in which the eminent but notoriously conservative reviewer awarded to Bergman’s magnum opus and opined thus: “A modestly budgeted minor classic which, because of its international success and its famous shots, is seldom analysed in detail. In fact its storyline is meandering and apparently pointless, and it is kept going by its splendid cinematic feel and its atmosphere is that of a dark world irrationally sustained by religion.” On the surface, it would seem that he was equally taken with the images and just as unimpressed with the narrative as you were…so, you’re in good company! Would I have wanted the film to focus exclusively on the weary Knight and his dealings with Death? Sure, but then Bergman’s vision of the Medieval World wouldn’t have been as universal. We would also have had to miss out on the memorable character of the cynical squire (played by Bergman regular Gunnar Bjornstrand who was, at the time at least, even a better actor than Max von Sydow but who, curiously enough, never really achieved international recognition), the amusing sequence of Death felling a tree to get to the womanizing actor, the harrowing plague scenes and, most importantly for an atheist like Bergman, the whole Holy Trinity metaphor characterized by the trio of survivors, who furthermore also symbolized the sound family unit – something that Bergman never really enjoyed given his troubled love-life (which around this time also included “the mother”, Bibi Andersson) and extended family. Although the music was too reminiscent of Carl Orff’s “Carmina Burana”, I’ve always liked it myself and there’s no denying its moody appropriateness and, of course, one can always look at the film itself as an arty horror movie, an intellectual epic or just a crossover arthouse hit. I also tend to agree with Martin Teller that, while THE SEVENTH SEAL may have seemed ‘difficult’ when it first came out, it shouldn’t really be all that tough to unravel nowadays: God knows that it’s less taxing on the brain than PERSONA (1966) and more palatable than CRIES AND WHISPERS (1972).

I’m aware that Joe is a stickler for making his own mind up about everything film-wise (as opposed to reading up – which in his book {pardon the pun}, I suppose, is tantamount to spoon-feeding – about certain movies before venturing into them) but in today’s internet age it’s just no excuse to be bereft of information about so famous a film and come up with something like “I thought it was going to be this way but it turned out otherwise” at the end of it! Of course, watching the stunned reaction of an ignorant public can be pricelessly satisfactory at times – as was definitely the case at a screening of Luis Bunuel’s UN CHIEN ANDALOU (1928) and L’AGE D’OR (1930) I attended at London’s National Film Theatre in January 2007 – but that doesn’t apply to something like THE SEVENTH SEAL.

I don’t know when, how or if Joe Karlosi is venturing into Bergman territory next but, before signing out, I wanted to bring to his attention 3 interesting articles about him: one in which Bergman discusses (make that disses) just about every contemporary film-maker of his, the second is similar to the first but seems slightly less vitriolic and the third is an interview that Woody Allen gave just after Bergman’s death:


EuroScreenwriters - Interviews with European Film Directors - Ingmar Bergman

Bergmanorama: Ingmar Bergman: Commentary: Bergman on Filmmakers

Woody Allen on Ingmar Bergman - TIME
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This one I've read before, and I find it interesting (though probably few others will) to note where our tastes differ. He's terribly harsh on Welles. Kane is certainly a good target to take down a peg or two, but not giving props to The Trial or F for Fake is a big oversight... perhaps Ingmar hadn't seen those. As for Antonioni, we both think he's only made a few masterpieces and find the others a bit dull, but totally disagree on which are which. Complete agreement on Truffaut and Godard. His taste in modern American cinema is questionable, though. I really like Soderbergh, but I would never single out Traffic as one of his best. And American Beauty, and Spielberg? Weird.

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This one looks familiar too. His comments on Bunuel don't say much, but "Buñuel nearly always made Buñuel films" is a fairly accurate statement. I don't know a lot of Carne or Duvivier, but for the most part I like what I've seen. Again, his remarks about Godard and Truffaut are spot-on. The Hitchcock bit is hilarious. Murnau... honestly, I can take him or leave him. I'm still undecided about Tarkovsky; I wouldn't ever call him "the greatest of them all", but he's done a few works that I really, really love and he's definitely a powerful voice in cinema.

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Funny, I never thought of Another Woman (one of Allen's most underrated flicks, IMO) as having a particular Bergman influence, but I guess I can kind of see it. Maybe a little Autumn Sonata or something in there.
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Comedy Day #4:


02/08/09: THE STOLEN JOOLS (William C. McGann, 1931)

Believe it or not, this unique all-star comedy short was financed by a tobacco-producing company in aid of charity! Practically everybody who was anybody in Hollywood circa 1931 puts in an appearance here during its mildly enjoyable but thoroughly fascinating 18-minute run: seasoned copper Wallace Beery sending rookie Buster Keaton to patrol the streets of L.A., detective team supreme of Laurel & Hardy arriving on the scene of the titular crime (belonging to Norma Shearer, no less) and having their car disassemble itself right there and then, Victor McLaglen and Edmund Lowe (in character as Flagg and Quirt) waited on by Swede El Brendel at a restaurant, Warner Baxter (again in character as The Cisco Kid – for which he was awarded an Oscar in 1929) flirting with the ladies, gangsters Edward G. Robinson and George E. Stone hiding out in a hotel lobby, Richard Dix and Irene Dunne – whom I have just seen teamed up in CIMARRON (1931) – being questioned by a nosy investigator, editor Gary Cooper ordering reporter Eugene Pallette about, Douglas Fairbanks Jr. taking a stroll with Loretta Young, a rare peak at the home of newly-weds Frank Fay and Barbara Stanwyck (of whom, incidentally, I have just acquired a handful of rare movies)…plus Richard Barthelmess, Joe E. Brown (donning a false beard), Maurice Chevalier, Joan Crawford, Jack Oakie, Wheeler & Woolsey (whose brief bit here made me want to watch more of them), etc.


02/08/09: IRMA LA DOUCE (Billy Wilder, 1963)

This was one of only four Wilder titles I hadn’t caught up with yet – I’m now left with MAUVAISE GRAINE (1934), THE EMPEROR WALTZ (1948) and FEDORA (1978; which I own on VHS). Like those films, this one’s hardly top-flight material though certainly popular (in view of its reteaming the director with the stars of that which has come to be acknowledged as his masterpiece i.e. THE APARTMENT [1960]). The latter are, of course, Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine and, while neither achieved the quality of their previous performances for Wilder (Lemmon’s included his cross-dressing turn in SOME LIKE IT HOT [1959]) in this case, they both still gave it their all. Despite MacLaine’s titular figure being little more than the proverbial tart-with-a-heart (though Wilder being Wilder he also made her socially ambitious), she got the better deal with an Oscar nod to her name. Lemmon, however, had perhaps the tougher role – going from naive and over-eager beat-cop to determined partner (and having to be reluctant pimp, restless meat-market worker, impostor and, worst of all, his own jealous lover in the interim); incidentally, it seems that some of the mannerisms inherent in the actor’s caricatured impression of an English lord here would rub off on his almost cartoonish Professor Fate character from Blake Edwards’ epic comedy THE GREAT RACE (1965). Having mentioned the two leads, one should not forget the valued contribution of Lou Jacobi as a sympathetic bartender who also prides himself on being a jack-of-all-trades. At almost 2½ hours, this is Wilder’s longest released effort (THE PRIVATE LIFE OF SHERLOCK HOLMES [1970] was whittled down from 200 minutes to 125!) which it need not have been and, clearly, the film peaks during its first third. Interestingly, IRMA LA DOUCE was inspired by a musical but the score was eventually dropped for its screen treatment…so it was ironic that Andre` Previn’s original accompaniment would garner the film its solitary Academy Award! The adult nature of the central theme (prostitution) was possible thanks to a certain slackening in censorship – which allowed for a couple of semi-revealing shots of MacLaine, but also made the film’s deliberately artificial look (of Paris) all the more curious.
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Epic Day #4:


02/09/09: ROGUES OF SHERWOOD FOREST (Gordon Douglas, 1950)

Since the beloved character of Robin Hood is (hopefully) soon to grace our silver screens once again, it is perhaps appropriate that I should venture now into Sherwood Forest to seek out his lesser-known son (also helpfully named Robin here and in love with a noble maiden named Marianne!) who finds himself at loggerheads with his father’s old nemesis Prince (now King) John and is likewise aided by Robin Sr.’s band of merry men – Little John, Friar Tuck, Will Scarlett and Alan-a-Dale. Traveling in the company of these characters always provides an enveloping feeling of nostalgia (illustrated books of his exploits were mandatory childhood reading chez nous) and is a guarantee of entertainment but, this being a modest second-class offering, the results are milder than other more fondly-remembered adventures of theirs. The action is there but performed with little panache and even a curious lethargy in spots but the film’s handsome look goes a long way in compensating for this shortcoming, as does the cast: John Derek makes an attractive lead (even though Diane Lynn’s bland heroine is another liability), George Macready a smarmy tyrant (eventually being forced by Robin’s deeds to sign the all-important historical document of the Magna Carta), Paul Cavanaugh an oily henchman, Billy House a jovial friar but the film’s major claim to fame is surely the fact that Alan Hale reprises (for the third and last time – sadly, this was his last film) his trademark role of Little John. This was Columbia’s second of three similarly-titled Robin Hood-themed pictures – made in between THE BANDIT OF SHERWOOD FOREST (1946; which had Cornel Wilde playing Robin Jr.) and Hammer’s disappointing SWORDS OF SHERWOOD FOREST (1960; with Richard Greene reprising his popular TV incarnation); there was even THE SON OF ROBIN HOOD (1958; starring David Hedison) but it was the product of a different studio.


02/09/09: THE ABDICATION (Anthony Harvey, 1974)

This film was shown once on local TV in the early 1980s (but I was too young to watch it) and then fell completely off the radar in the interim; however, thanks to the God-sent overhaul that TCM UK has finally decided to give its long-decaying schedule of endlessly-repeated titles, I was able to finally catch up with it after some 25 odd years! Not because the film has any kind of reputation per se but its credentials are certainly impeccable and European History has always been one of my favorite subjects in school (and one in which I excelled in). The story of Sweden’s Queen Christina had already been dealt with magnificently by Rouben Mamoulian in his eponymous 1933 film which had provided Greta Garbo with arguably her greatest role; this being made a good 40 permissive years later, the independent-minded Protestant monarch (Liv Ullmann) renounces her faith and throne to sneak into the Vatican and pour out her lesbian longings for a childhood friend onto a Roman Catholic Cardinal (Peter Finch) engaged to investigate her well-documented wanton ways and her newly-professed piety! The two stars, reunited a year after Ross Hunter’s maligned 1973 musical version of LOST HORIZION, are practically the whole show here despite being surrounded by opulent sets and a cast of thespian notables: Cyril Cusack (as Christina’s guardian), Graham Crowden (as a fellow Cardinal), Edward Underdown and Kathleen Byron (as, respectively, Christina’s chivalrous father and embittered mother) and diminutive Michael Dunn (in his last film as Christina’s enigmatic servant). Celebrated cinematographer Geoffrey Unsworth shoots the opening abdication scenes in moody candlelight, bathes the film in mist during Christina’s childhood reminiscences and lends it a sunny look during her liberated passages; Nino Rota’s music score is also appropriately sensitive or soaring according to the film’s moods. Incidentally, another failed historical/religious charade featuring Liv Ullmann I would like to see is Michael Anderson’s POPE JOAN (1972)…who knows if TCM UK will likewise surprise me and provide the opportunity to catch up with it in the not-too-distant future?
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To get to Joe’s views on THE SEVENTH SEAL (1957): the first thing that strikes me is that – by accident or design, willingly or not, successfully or not – he has gone and done something that I’ve been suggesting to him for years. I know all too well that he doesn’t subscribe to the auteur theory but I often wondered why someone who considers BEN-HUR (1959) to be the greatest film of all time should not also be interested in other films of William Wyler’s like DODSWORTH (1936), WUTHERING HEIGHTS (1939), THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (1946) or DETECTIVE STORY (1951); .....

True, a big part of the reason is because I generally don't go for the "auteur theory" for each and every director, and it's only with some directors that I'll go and watch many of their films simply "because they made them". But in the case of William Wyler, you definitely have a point because one of the things I like about him is that he was notorious for working his actors hard to the point of exhaustion, just to get the perfect take. So that makes me more interested in watching his stuff simply because HE made the movie (well, and with the help of a LOT of other people ). But so that we don't start our own "Mario vs. Joe Show" again, I'll only briefly repeat that there are a lot of films out there, and everyone has his own expectations of what other people should watch, and why.

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thankfully, he has since become a fan of Bette Davis so that makes a viewing of Wyler’s JEZEBEL (1938), THE LETTER (1940) and THE LITTLE FOXES (1941) stand a better chance of becoming a reality eventually.

Where have you been? I've watched all three of these films! I have reviews up of JEZEBEL and THE LETTER, but unfortunately I never got 'round to jotting my notes for THE LITTLE FOXES.

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Also, being a big fan of the East End/Bowery Boys from like forever, I suppose he has seen Wyler’s DEAD END (1937) by now but I stand to be corrected.

I may have misunderstood what you were saying here --- you do recall that I've watched DEAD END, right? And also other films with these boys, like ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES and THEY MADE ME A CRIMINAL....? But I am not a big fan of theirs just for the heck of it , per se ... I mostly just get a kick out of watching their later-day Bowery Boys "comedies", for the most part.

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In the case of THE SEVENTH SEAL, his admiration for Woody Allen has made him concede to a viewing of the most famous work of the bespectacled one’s No. 1 cinematic idol, Ingmar Bergman. Seeing him take this step almost makes his final verdict of the film itself (which, unsurprisingly if you ask me, came out negative – although he’ll no doubt shake his head in disapproval at this conclusion of mine) almost beside the point.

Yes, I will shake my head, because I don't know why you say "unsurprisingly" at all. I have liked other foreign artsy movies, including most of the Luis Bunuel stuff I've seen (by the way, there's a Bunuel film in my future soon -- be on the lookout for it!). Also, I will be getting to THE VIRGIN SPRING (Bergman) pretty soon, since Michael stirred my interest in it.

But I must also correct you and say it was not "just due to Woody Allen" that I conceded seeing a Bergman movie; I would have agreed to see it at my friend's suggestion even if there had never been a Woody Allen.

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I’m aware that Joe is a stickler for making his own mind up about everything film-wise...

I wish to cut you off here just to say I can't believe you would expect anyone to have it any other way, except to make up their own minds.

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...(as opposed to reading up – which in his book {pardon the pun}, I suppose, is tantamount to spoon-feeding – about certain movies before venturing into them) but in today’s internet age it’s just no excuse to be bereft of information about so famous a film and come up with something like “I thought it was going to be this way but it turned out otherwise” at the end of it!

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I don't "read up on films". I most certainly do -- sometimes before watching one, sometimes after -- and as a matter of fact, not so long ago I recall talking about this very topic with Michael (he was saying he didn't believe in reading about films, or something like that, and I was making the case for reading and finding out history, production tidbits, etc). In the case of THE SEVENTH SEAL, why would I read about it before seeing it, especially when my friend had just talked to me and suggested bringing it right to the house, and there wasn't any time?

Even though I wasn't pleased with THE SEVENTH SEAL, that didn't keep me from reading many IMDB opinions on it afterward (yes, not only the morons but also the more well-versed writers), and not just the negative reviews but also the "positives",just to see what others thought, and to explain what I may have missed. All I discovered was a lot of people agreed with me, and even the many "positives" didn't change the fact that it still didn't matter to me in the end; I didn't like the movie. I know how much that confuses you, Mario, because (and this is not to tweak you this time) it honestly is very uncommon for you to give a "highly acclaimed movie" anything lower than at the very least... you try everything you can to read, learn, accept, find the white light or the silver lining ... but as you know by now, I just simply feel no pressure to have to do that. I often wonder how people would evaluate certain acclaimed films if they didn't know they were highly thought of when going into them.
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Also, I will be getting to THE VIRGIN SPRING (Bergman) pretty soon, since Michael stirred my interest in it.

If it's just because it inspired the most horror rips then I'd be wary. I'm not sure how fond you are of the rips (LAST HOUSE, NIGHT TRAIN MURDERS) or the rape/revenge genre to begin with. THE VIRGIN SPRING plays off more like a religious picture than anything else and to me it's just as dark as THE SEVENTH SEAL and it doesn't lay everything out either.

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Mike, I think you would really like Zodiac. It's funny, but the first time I watched it, I was bored and felt it was one of Fincher's worst. I re-watched it about a month later and had quite a different reaction to the movie. Though long, I was totally engrossed and ended up giving it 4.5 out of 5 stars.

Thanks, I actually got it out of my movie pile last night and put it towards the front so hopefully I'll get to it soon. I've seen four different movies about the Zodiac yet I haven't seen the most popular by fans and critics.

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Maybe the phrase I used - "bitter disappointment" - was excessive on my part...but, it's no secret that ratings over for contemporary movies from me are incredibly rare and, frankly, a 2-hour "wallow in self-pity" that THE WRESTLER (2008) promised to be wasn't too enticing to begin with! Still, Michael's most impassioned review of it over here made me get to it sooner rather than later and I'm very glad it lived up to all the hype for once.

It's good that Michael is able to enjoy and admire so much of what modern cinema has to offer - just look at his liberal sprinkling of ratings to films of 2008 (or recent vintage) - but, watching them myself afterwards, I was never that much impressed. I'm still glad that his rave about BLACK WATER (2007) introduced me to a terrific Aussie horror flick which might have otherwise got lost among the myraid "killer crocodile" clones we have all suffered from since the fondly-remembered ALLIGATOR (1980)!

I meant to reply to this minutes after you wrote it but since that time I've been searching for an article about the subject of stars but couldn't find it. I did find this from Ebert's blog:

"You give out too many stars" - Roger Ebert's Journal

That starts a little talk about personal ratings from not only Ebert but the writers who post their opinions ranging from Maltin to Netflix. It's always been a personal thing on which system you use but here are a few of my opinions:

1. Four star films are not like someone's virginity. To me there's no use in pretending to save them for that special movie. Not every four-star film has to be one of the greatest of all time.

2. In terms of Maltin's guide, I think he's a tad bit "up in the air". A poster at the blog said it better but it seems Maltin gives a movie or There have been very few four-star films in the past thirty years.

3. Something I've always agreed with Ebert on is that one shouldn't compare films and instead, just overlook the stars and READ the actual review. I think this is right because if someone sees a four-star review of MANIAC and says, "Gee, this must mean it's up there with CITIZEN KANE", then they're going to be disappointed. You can't compare Welles to Lustig. You can't compare a "let's win as many Oscars as possible" film like THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON to a "fuck the critics and lets have fun blowing shit up" movie like RAMBO. Both are four star films to be but they aren't the same film nor are they trying to be.

4. I have thought about awarding a fifth star to movies that I feel are an all-time great. I haven't yet done this but I have thought about doing it. No 4 1/2 stars but a 5 star for stuff like WATERFRONT, KANE, INTOLERANCE, SCENES FROM A MARRIAGE and so on.


As far as expectations going in, to me if someone has a low expectation that "all silent movies are bad" then it's going to be hard to break that thought. They certainly can do it, just look at my Franco films, but it's very hard and I doubt many people are going to put up with their own thoughts in order to stick with something.

As far as modern cinema goes, at one time 1939 was "modern" and people were eating up those films. I will say this and you've known me for many, many years. We've talked countless times via e-mail and on message boards. I hhhhaaattteeee when people start praising movies as being "some of the greatest of all time" before the dust has settled and time has taken its place. However, I will say this: the movies released this year are some of the most amazing, heartfelt and at times brilliant that I've seen. I can't possibly imagine not watching THE WRESTLER, THE READER, BUTTON, SLUMDOG or various others again. This has been a brilliant year for movies and I hope one day people will go out and watch these movies. The box office are making these films bombs, just like THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION or ED WOOD were but hopefully they will find their place among buffs at some point in time.



Battle of Gettysburg, The (1955) Herman Hoffman

Oscar-nominated short was filmed at the Gettysburg National Military Park with Leslie Nielsen narrating the story of the famous battle. This is a rather interesting short because it runs a full 30-minutes, which wasn't too normal for the day. Another interesting aspect is that MGM decided to film this in a 2.35:1 ratio, which makes for some beautiful scenes. The final interesting thing is that they decided to make the movie without the use of a single actor. Instead we just get various shots of the actual battlefield mixed in with paintings of the battle and other photos. This was a strange way to present the documentary but for the most part it works just fine even though it does start to feel a bit long towards the end. What I enjoyed the best were the helicopter shots, which give us a grand view of the entire field where the battle was fought.

Now You See It (1947) Richard L. Cassell

Oscar-nominated, Pete Smith short takes a look at microphotography as well as macrophotography. The earliest definition of this camera format was describe as centering the entire 35mm frame on one small part of an object, which in return would allow you to see that small object up close and unlike previous photography. In this short we see a wide range of objects ranging from a baby hummingbird to insects and even a huge item, which turns out to be a small wristwatch. There's nothing overly special about this short but it does make for a good way to kill 9-minutes as Smith does a good job with his narration and the subject itself is fairly interesting. I think the highlight of the film was seeing perhaps the ugliest thing ever created only to then learn it was a close up view of a cat's tongue!! The film closes with us getting to view a mosquito sucking the blood out of a human and filling it's stomach up.

Great Heart, The (1938) David Miller

Carey Wilson short received an Oscar-nomination for Best Short and takes a look at the life of Father Damien, a Belgian priest who began work as a missionary in Hawaii. On his first day there he got involved with a man with leprosy and soon the villagers were frightened of him. The only exception were the people he was helping but soon the priest found himself with the disease. This short really plays out as a tribute to the man as his story is giving loving detail and every scene jumps off the screen like the director begging you to see the importance of this man. I had never heard of him before watching this but it certainly seemed like he lived a rather amazing, if somewhat short, life. The direction by Miller is pretty good as is the screenplay even though it gets a tad bit overdramatic at times. Tom Neal does a fine job in the role of the priest.

Calgary Stampede (1948) Saul Elkins

Technicolor short from Warner received an Oscar-nomination for its studio. The film takes a look at a celebration in Calgary where for a week the city pretty much pays respect to its past where indians and outlaws roamed the streets. The documentary centers on the celebrations, which include various games, food, country music, rodeos and even acted out plays. Warner shooting this in Technicolor was a major plus because the life of the city really jumps off the screen and this is especially true during a parade where we get to see all sorts of rather nice visuals. The rest of the stuff is rather hit and miss but there are plenty of nice moments making this a worthy viewing. One of the highlights is a scene where a young cowboy, perhaps two years old, is shaking hands with an Indian chief. It's also worth noting that narrator Art Gilmore states that the food was free at this event, which is certainly interesting to say the least. It's also worth noting that this was Saul Elkins only credit as a director even though he did write several other projects for the studio.
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If it's just because it inspired the most horror rips then I'd be wary. I'm not sure how fond you are of the rips (LAST HOUSE, NIGHT TRAIN MURDERS) or the rape/revenge genre to begin with. THE VIRGIN SPRING plays off more like a religious picture than anything else and to me it's just as dark as THE SEVENTH SEAL and it doesn't lay everything out either.

I don't require that everything be laid out in every movie; I just did not like THE SEVENTH SEAL, and that's all there is to it. I just saw and loved DOUBT, and it didn't lay out everything and was rather ambiguous as well; ditto for the unexplained ending of THE INNOCENTS which I also enjoyed. The religious moments of bewilderment were one of the very few things I did find interesting in SEVENTH SEAL.

As for the "rip" thing, I'll just have to see that for myself. I still think you're VERY liberal with what you think "steals" this or that. I've already read some things about THE VIRGIN SPRING (I'm sure Mario would approve) and I'm dying to see how MOTHER'S DAY is a "ripoff", just because rape and revenge happen to be involved. But I'd just basically like to try another Bergman movie, and this one sounds interesting.
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