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Feature Films Watched in 2009

037) 02-03 Friday the 13th (1980)
038) 02-03 Friday the 13th Part III (1982) in 3D

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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
Feature Films Watched in 2009

037) 02-03 Friday the 13th (1980)
038) 02-03 Friday the 13th Part III (1982) in 3D



Well, it's not as odd as when you give a full to PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE!

I was debating whether I should write a little something about these two F13 films, considering I've seen them so many times now that I think I'm actually getting rather tired of their repetition. That's not to say I'm not ever going to see them again, you understand ... but I watched them both last night and they just felt played out, or maybe I wasn't in the right mood.

For years I've given the first FRIDAY THE 13TH film , but I never really felt that comfortable with doing that. I think in retrospect I was being extra kind to it because it was the "original", but it just isn't that good a film in general, though it's a pretty good horror movie. To me, it's a lot of waiting around and characters who aren't well drawn, though one can surely say the same about many of the F13 films in general. I'd argue that there are characters in the other sequels who are better drawn than in the first.

The reason I gave FRIDAY PART III 3D the better ranking was solely due to the 3D effect, which made it a "good time". It's nothing any different than you and I have done with the recent remake for MY BLOODY VALENTINE.... I think we both gave the new film as a 2D movie, but a boosted due to the 3Dexperience. Well, it's the same thing with me and FRIDAY 3 ... if it's any consolation to you, I were going to rate F3 in regular old 2D, it would fall to as well.

Don't forget, just as you have the pleasure of seeing the new MY BLOODY VALENTINE in 3D in theaters this year, so too did I properly see FRIDAY 3 in 3D back in 1982... and that also figures into my rating.
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I didn't say there was anything "odd" about your ratings except for the past 9 years you had always rated the original higher than 3. It had nothing to do with PLAN 9.

As for them being played out and tired....why would you watch them again? I find once a movie gets played out it's going to feel even more played out on future viewings. I'm really not sure if there is a way to "take back time" so to speak and make a film seem new again. As I said in the other thread, I've never thought too highly of part 3 and I actually dropped my rating down to a 2 last night but 2 1/2 for the 3-D. I'm certainly done with this film because it's doubtful it will ever feel fresh again.

I'm not fond of MY BLOODY VALENTINE, APRIL FOOL'S DAY, HELL NIGHT, TERROR TRAIN, PROM NIGHT, MADMAN or countless others but there is somewhat of a refreshing mode since I'm given them my second viewing instead of 15+ for F13 or a HALLOWEEN sequel. That might also explain why something like THE BURNING has become many people's favorite slasher from this era.


Friday the 13th III (1982) in 3-D Steve Miner

Only God knows how many times I had watched this film in 2-D but this here was my first chance at viewing it in the original 3-D format. It's no secret that I've never been a fan of this movie and sadly it's only marginally improved with the added gimmick. If you haven't seen the film then minor spoilers are going to follow so that I can judge the 3-D effects. For the most part I thought the recent Paramount DVD was pretty good in terms of the effect but I've read it's going to depend on your television size. For the most part I thought the effects worked quite well even though there are a few that were poorly done. Both the snake and rat sequences from the grocery store didn't look too good in 3-D. The scene where the biker punches through the glass also looked rather weak. I think the gimmick worked the best when people were holding objects and pointing them towards the camera. One good example happens at the grocery store when the guy lifts the pole up and points it to the camera. His death sequence is also pretty good. Another great sequence is when arrow through the eye happens as you can certainly "feel" this one if you know what I mean. The infamous eye coming out didn't work as well as I had hoped but it still looks okay. These added 3-D moments improved the film slightly but I still consider this a weaker on in the series. It's obvious that everyone was worried about the gimmick that they forgot to write very good characters. I think most of them are quite forgettable and that includes the lead who was certainly a step down from the previous two films.

Female Prisoner: Cage (1983) Masaru Konuma

aka Joshu ori

I had never heard of this film until a few weeks ago when Mondo Macabro released it to DVD. Many of the review I read called it the most brutal and bizarre women in prison film ever made. Having seen many myself, I had to check this one out to just see if it was really that wild and I must report that it is. The film tells the story of young prisoner (Mina Asami) who escaped but is eventually captured and brought back. The evil warden decides to make her a pet project and tries to break her down with torture, gang rape and by turning her friends against her. If you're easily offended then it's best you stay away from this film but I'd also recommend not reading anything else that I write here because it's impossible to write about this movie without getting to the more disgusting aspects. I've seen some wild WIP films from across the world and thought I had seen everything in various Jess Franco projects but this film might be the top-dog in terms of perverts. The movie features all types of bodily fluids from blood to urine to sperm. A lot of times all three are used together in one disgusting form after the next. The most outrageous scene of many happens when the women jump over a fence after being turned on by some construction workers who they eventually rape after being urinated on. Women are raping women, men raping women and even a priest gets in on the fun by fooling around with a big-chested guard. There's really not that much of a story here because the bottom line is that the movie wants to shock you for its 68-minutes and it certainly does that. Not only do we get all the masturbating, rapes and giggling schoolgirls talking about the pleasures of being raped by their cousins but we also get S&M and foot sucking. Even though this film is cheap exploitation it does features some really beautiful cinematography, which is something you don't normally see in a movie like this. Apparently director Konuma was very popular dipping into this rather wild genre so I look forward to checking out more of his work.

Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired (2008) Marina Zenovich

The story of Roman Polanski's parents being killed during the Holocaust are well known. His wife and unborn child being killed by Manson are well known. The fact that he gave drugs and alcohol to a 13-year-old girl and then had sex with her are well known. This wonderfully entertaining documentary takes a look at Polanski's life but centers on the trial, which he eventually fled from America making him a fugitive to this day. I guess there's two ways too look at this documentary with one of them being its quality. Director Zenovich does a very good job at providing a clear picture as to what happened. She does a very good job at throwing sympathy at Polanski for his terrible life. She's able to throw credit to the amazing talent that he is. How much she shows him to be a pervert is up for debate. The big question here is about the judge of the case doing some illegal and stupid things, which caused the director to flee the country. On one hand I can sit here and say that the judge was way out of line but at the same time everyone seems to forget about the victim here. No matter how much time the director was going to sentence Polanski to, people are still forgetting that he had sex with a 13-year-old girl. The documentary makes it clear this wasn't the first time that he had done this but I was a little shocked by some of the talking heads who started blaming the victim here because she had had sex and alcohol before Polanski as if that's a reason to overlook what he did. Perhaps these people are just trying to rescue Polanski because it is strange that the girl and her mother cry rape yet less than a year later they want Polanksi to serve no jail time. If they didn't want Polanski in trouble why'd they even call the cops? The judge is now dead and the girl's mother isn't interviewed but the victim is and she's sticking to her forgiveness of Polanski. The documentary tackles a lot of issues on the case but there are still some pretty big mysteries left open but it's doubtful we'll ever know what all really happened and why. The title refers to Polanski being wanted in America but desired in Paris. The documentary also does an interesting job at showing how both sides covered the events back when they happened. The American press tried to protect the victim while the European press posted pictures, her name and wild stories about her. I'm sure people are going to watch this and either feel sorry for Polanski or want him to spend the rest of his life in prison. This is what a great documentary does; it makes people debate the subject.
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I didn't say there was anything "odd" about your ratings except for the past 9 years you had always rated the original higher than 3.

Well, you've only known me since 2002 (wow, has it been that long already??). But I guess 7 or 9 years isn't much different.

As I explained though, I think I was giving the original F13 too much leeway because it was the first one. At the present time (always subject to change) I actually rate 1, 2 and 3 the same (**1/2 each --- *** for the 3-D version of Part 3). As far as I'm concerned, THE FINAL CHAPTER and JASON LIVES are better than all three of these.

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As for them being played out and tired....why would you watch them again? I find once a movie gets played out it's going to feel even more played out on future viewings.

For one thing, I didn't know I'd feel that way until I watched them last night. For another thing, sometimes I can be in a different mood and have more fun with them, as I also explained in my previous post. This has happend to me over the years before, so it's not something I'll give up.

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I'm not fond of MY BLOODY VALENTINE, APRIL FOOL'S DAY, HELL NIGHT, TERROR TRAIN, PROM NIGHT, MADMAN or countless others but there is somewhat of a refreshing mode since I'm given them my second viewing instead of 15+ for F13 or a HALLOWEEN sequel.

Well, the F13 series still holds a special place for me, even if at the moment these two struck me as tired. You can bet I'll be tempted to "upgrade" to the new SE's which are sure to be coming out again, as I think you've said. But I'd rather wait for Blu-ray's of all the rest (I didn't buy the new Part 2 yesterday).

By the way -- I bought the new release HIS NAME WAS JASON today, which features the actors who played the character, and other goodies. I won't be reviewing it in this thread because it's not a true film but you can check out my thoughts at the CHFB.

As for the other slashers you've named -- I enjoy MADMAN;
I haven't seen PROM NIGHT or TERROR TRAIN in over 20 years but don't recall liking either & maybe will give them a new look; I've now come to like MY BLOODY VALENTINE due to the new release which restored the gore shots and made some difference to me; I saw HELL NIGHT in the theater and thought it sucked but haven't seen it again since; I have never seen APRIL FOOL'S DAY .... I hear it's a comedy ... true?
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TV, Serial & Documentary Day #3:


02/03/09: THE OVER-THE-HILL GANG RIDES AGAIN (TV) (George McCowan, 1970)

Fred Astaire's first forays into the Western genre, the TV medium and moustache-sporting came via this modest "old men's movie" about a trio of retired Texas Rangers who come together to help their old superior who has been wrongly jailed for robbery and murder. Walter Brennan, Chill Wills and Edgar Buchanan reprise their roles from the original THE OVER-THE-HILL GANG TV-movie made the previous year, while Astaire takes on the role of the troubled Baltimore Kid who might not be in jail or lynched (as newspaperman Andy Devine misinforms them upon their arrival) but has fallen on hard times and become the town drunk instead! The thing is that Astaire is unable to accept his growing old and his shooting abilities not being what they used to so, to build up his confidence once more, the trio convince him to accept the badge of town marshal with them as his deputies! However, Astaire deludes himself further into thinking that the roughnecks who come into town eventually leave it because of his notoriety (rather than through the helpful 'armed and invisible' presence of his friends) and even befriends a much younger saloon gal who turns out to be the girl of the robber behind the crime Astaire was supposed to have committed in the first place! The quintet of Hollywood veterans provide the only pleasure to be had from this meager production because whenever they are offscreen things get pretty dull indeed.


02/03/09: MASTERS OF HORROR: PICK ME UP (TV) (Larry Cohen, 2006)

This episode of the popular horror TV series is probably the weakest I have seen so far – which is a pity since it marked the reunion of director Larry Cohen with his regular star of the 1980s, Michael Moriarty. The latter, in typically eccentric mode, plays a homicidal truck driver whose old-fashioned murderous ways are being outclassed in creative sadism by a new and younger serial killer. The two disturbed loners haunt a stretch of road that is occasionally frequented by tourists and things are kickstarted by a breakdown of just such a bus in the middle of nowhere. The handful of passengers and the bus driver are swiftly dealt with by the two of them working separately but they figure without rebellious Fairuza Balk who has quitted her party early on and reaches the nearest town on foot. The killers converge at a dingy hotel to claim their prey but things soon come to a head and spin out of control, necessitating the intervention of two ambulance drivers who – surprise, surprise – have their own heinous agenda! Despite the gore redolent of modern horror fare and the darkly humorous touches typical of earlier Cohen movies, the mixture falls flat on its face thanks to the sheerly unsympathetic nature of the three main characters which quickly depletes any kind of suspense or interest the narrative may have generated.
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Thanks for your compliment. Can you tell me what the original title translates to (CHI SEI)? For some reason I'm thinking "What's That?"

Yours was a fair try, Joe, but actually CHI SEI? means "Who Are You?". Coincidentally, "sei" in Italian also stands for the number 6 which, as everybody knows, has Satanic connotations going as far back as the time in which the Bible was first written down! For your information, "What's That?" in Italian becomes "Cos'e` Quello?"...
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Yours was a fair try, Joe, but actually CHI SEI? means "Who Are You?". Coincidentally, "sei" in Italian also stands for the number 6 which, as everybody knows, has Satanic connotations going as far back as the time in which the Bible was first written down! For your information, "What's That?" in Italian becomes "Cos'e` Quello?"...

Wow, I can't imagine why "Who Are You" would be a scary title!
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I won't be reviewing it in this thread because it's not a true film

WHAT??!!?? I thought it was a documentary but are you saying it's just an interview disc like the F13 bonus disc a few years back? I got my screener here with all the press junk but it didn't give the impression of an interview disc.

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I have never seen APRIL FOOL'S DAY .... I hear it's a comedy ... true?

You'd have to see it but it is listed in every slasher book ever made. If I have to buy it for you you really need to watch THE BURNING. I actually just put BLOODY NEW YEAR, MOTHER'S DAY and a few others that I haven't watched into my Netflix queue.
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WHAT??!!?? I thought it was a documentary but are you saying it's just an interview disc like the F13 bonus disc a few years back? I got my screener here with all the press junk but it didn't give the impression of an interview disc.

I'm going through it now, but you know I don't count things like this (or TCM interviews and things) as actual movies.

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You'd have to see it but it is listed in every slasher book ever made. If I have to buy it for you you really need to watch THE BURNING. I actually just put BLOODY NEW YEAR, MOTHER'S DAY and a few others that I haven't watched into my Netflix queue.

You haven't seen MOTHER'S DAY? As far as I'm concerned, it's one of the best of the "slasher genre", due to the fact that the characters are well defined and you care more about the victims -- and it's also extremely sick.

I'll get around to THE BURNING and APRIL FOOL'S DAY eventually. I'll put 'em in my queue.
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I'm going through it now, but you know I don't count things like this (or TCM interviews and things) as actual movies.


What about EAT THE DOCUMENT, GIMME SHELTER, THE BEATLES FIRST U.S. VISIT or....nevermind. In all honesty I was just making sure it was a documentary and not just a bunch of thirty-second to five minute interviews like a certain Fulci disc I got today, which is now being sent back.
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Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired (2008) Marina Zenovich
...The big question here is about the judge of the case doing some illegal and stupid things, which caused the director to flee the country.

Hmm, did the judge do anything illegal? I thought he had just changed his mind under political pressure and broken a promise to Polanski's lawyer, but was within his rights to do so, if obviously not the way you want to run a trial.

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...The documentary makes it clear this wasn't the first time that he had done this but I was a little shocked by some of the talking heads who started blaming the victim here because she had had sex and alcohol before Polanski as if that's a reason to overlook what he did.

This was one of my main issues with the doc. On the one hand, the film (rightly) condemns those who blamed Polanski and Tate for her murder by blaming it on their 'lifestyle'. And then it dispassionately and without any irony shows Polanski supporters blaming the girl and her mother.

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This is what a great documentary does; it makes people debate the subject.

True, but I thought this film presented itself as being detached and wasn't.




02/03/09

H.M. Pulham, Esq.
(1941) Dir: King Vidor
Production: MGM

Fastidious Boston aristocrat Harry Pulham's (Robert Young) "well ordered, well managed" life is suddenly disrupted by the emergence of several faces from his past, causing him to reflect on whether he is content with how his life has turned out. Hedy Lamarr is Marvin Myles, the great love of Harry's life, the one person who he could be himself with without having to worry about playing a pre-ordained role. The incompatibility of their respective worlds and the burden of expectations on Harry conspire to keep them apart.

Similar to Mankiewicz's THE LATE GEORGE APLEY (which I recently viewed), not only in the setting of early 20th century Boston, but the theme of a main character who passes on his ability to make decisions for himself and his freewill in favor of acting according to social mores and expectations. Figures, since both movies are based on original works from the same author, John P. Marquand, Boston society obviously being his métier. Both films also share the same conflict of Boston (as the last civilized society) v. New York (the vulgarian metropolis). Robert Young is very good as you see Pulham hand over his life to an ideal. Hedy Lamarr is still too remote for me, but consensus seems to be that this is one of her best roles. They do have fine chemistry together. Ruth Hussey has some strong moments as the woman Harry has known since he was a child and who he eventually marries. Charles Coburn is Harry's father, who has Harry's life planned out right from his birth. Van Heflin plays the best friend who succeeds somewhat in loosening up Harry. Bonita Granville plays the little sister (badly) and there's a mini Andy Hardy reunion with Fay Holden as Harry's mother and Sara Haden as his secretary. Rather leisurely paced by Vidor which turns some off and at 2 hours is probably excessive, especially in light of a masterful opening scene which tells you all you need to know about the 'current' Harry Pulham in about 2 minutes.

out of 4
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KING VIDOR - "Far Side Of Paradise"
H.M. Pulham, Esq. (1941)


02/03/09

I See a Dark Stranger
(1946) Dir: Frank Launder
Production: Individual Pictures (UK)

Bridie Quilty (Deborah Kerr), a young Irishwoman raised by her father (who participated in the 1916 uprising) to hate the English, travels from her small home village to Dublin on the occasion of her 21st birthday for the purpose of joining the IRA. When she is told by one of her father's (alleged) compatriots to go home and forget it, her hatred doubles in intensity and she becomes a spy for a Nazi agent. Eventually she becomes involved in a plot to warn the Germans of the Allied invasion and Bridie must ask herself how far she is willing to go, especially when a charming British officer (Trevor Howard) enters the picture.

Most of the film is an engaging, atmospheric spy drama, tense, well shot and acted, but the end devolves into a slapstick farce. There is plenty of dry but amusing humor throughout, but the ending is still a bit of a letdown. Kerr is excellent as the young lass with her Irish up, likable even as she is collaborating with Nazi agents. Not top-level Launder and Gilliat but it is populated with its fair share of memorable characters, including two balding, mustachioed, buffoonish British officers who give the film some late life. David Tomlinson has a small role.

out of 4
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Pete, I think the judge wanting the lawyers to "act out" the ruling was illegal. At least both lawyers said they weren't willing to go any further. I really thought the documentary was going to white wash everything Polanski did and as you said, it does fight for him but in the end I think both sides were played fairly evenly.

As for the blaming game, again it's rather weird. Apparently the movie knew how Polanski (and Nicholson for that matter) was, knew of the parties, knew of the sex and so on yet let her daughter go with him. This goes back to questioning why both went for rape charges when it seems pretty clear that both of them seemed okay with what was going on. Blaming the "mother" is something a lot of people were doing including the defense because they wanted to track down her previous lovers and drinking buddies.

My girlfriend's kids are 13-years-old so it's rather hard to imagine them getting drunk, taking pills and then being dropped off at a pervert's house. Again, I do feel sympathy for Polanski for what he had to go through in his life but it doesn't take away what he did. It seems people are wanting to give him a free pass no matter what he does and to me this is just crazy. Even if the judge agreed to 90 days and then backed out, so what? He has the right to change his mind and Polanski still did the crime. Not to mention only facing one charge instead of the six or so.

However (again), I thought the documentary also made good points about how sex is looked at here compared to overseas. I was pretty shocked to see how overseas papers also blamed the girl or didn't realize what the big deal was. Polanski, obviously not too bright, thinking there was nothing wrong with sex with minors as it was probably okay from where he came. Dating Kinski when she was 15 for starters. As repulsed as a lot of people seemed to be, there were apparently others not so turned off by it. Hell, there was even a joke in the film about the D.A. being the only one who hadn't slept with a minor.
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045) 02/03/2009 Terms of Endearment (1983) (out of four)

James L. Brooks should direct more movies. He’s helmed only five films over the last twenty five years. Three of them are excellent: Terms of Endearment, Broadcast News (1987), and As Good As It Gets (1997), and the remaining two (I’ll Do Anything and Spanglish) are enjoyable. He’s also had an impressive writing background in television including Taxi, Mary Tyler Moore, and The Simpsons. Brooks deftly juggles humor and drama in his efforts, and he seems to bring out the best in his casts. Terms of Endearment may be his best big-screen effort: a winning chronicle of a mother-daughter relationship that is as strong as it is tempestuous.

Aurora Greenway (Shirley MacLaine) cares deeply for her exuberant daughter Emma (Debra Winger). She does not, however, approve of Emma’s marriage to Flap Horton (Jeff Daniels), and boycotts the wedding. She’s also not thrilled when Emma later announces she’s pregnant, or when the Horton family move from their Texas home to Des Moines so Flap can accept an associate professorship. Aurora is curious about her neighbor Garrett Breedlove (Jack Nicholson), an astronaut who is quite the party animal and stud outside the rocket ship. The two form a decidedly offbeat relationship. Meanwhile Emma, now a mother of three, gets some disturbing news when she takes herself and middle child to get flu shots.

Terms of Endearment is a character driven, as opposed to plot driven, film whose episodic nature allows for the audience to become emotionally invested in the key players. Emma is a bit zany but adorable. Aurora is stern but caring. Garrett is over-confident and brash, but lovable. Flap can seem disinterested at times but is generally affable. We watch with unwavering interest these flawed but fascinating people deal with their various relationships. We become so attached to these people that the simple appearance of Garrett on some hotel stairs carries surprising poignancy. The excellent cast truly breathes life into these individuals, making us care about their fates.

Aurora never becomes the cliché overbearing mother thanks to clever little touches in the script, such as when it’s Aurora who wants to sleep in Emma’s bed, not the other way around. Aurora may express her opinions. But she never makes threats. She has her own views which may clash with those of her daughter, but the two quickly seem to forgive and forget. Emma is an eternally optimistic young lady, who, for example, takes great pleasure in the seemingly routine exercise of buying her husband a tie. She is shocked at the rather casual attitudes toward divorce and abortion that are expressed by some of her best friend Patsy’s (Lisa Hart Carroll) associates during a lunch. When Emma must confront some harsh realities as Terms of Endearment’s story unfolds, the impact on her is especially devastating.

The men in the story are also not allowed to become stereotypes. Flap may be a philanderer, but he still does love Emma. Garrett may be something of a sexist and a playboy, but he provides comfort and support to Aurora when she needs it. Aurora and Emma love the men in their lives in spite of the flaws – a truth, no doubt, in all relationships.

The result is a four-star tearjerker that earns its tears without feeling manipulative. Scripter/director Brooks and his cast bring charm and pathos to this story of a mother and daughter who have little in common except for their intense love for one another. Terms of Endearment is just as enjoyable today as it was more than twenty-five years ago.



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What about EAT THE DOCUMENT, GIMME SHELTER, THE BEATLES FIRST U.S. VISIT or....nevermind.

Well... you don't really mean "nevermind".
There's a difference to me in actual "movie documentaries" like DON'T LOOK BACK or THIS IS ELVIS (and the ones you mention above). That DVD of THE BEATLES' FIRST U.S. VISIT is actually an elongated version of a film that was made in 1964 called THE BEATLES: WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE U.S.A.

But when I'm watching TCM and an interview program comes on (like Elvis Mitchel: Under the Influence) .. to me, it's just an interview show, or some such segment. Similarly, watching a DVD and having specially-designed added features like "The Making of Citizn Kane", for example, are not real films to me. It's just the way I choose to look at it.

Same thing goes for this new HIS NAME WAS JASON home video compilation thingie:

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In all honesty I was just making sure it was a documentary and not just a bunch of thirty-second to five minute interviews like a certain Fulci disc I got today, which is now being sent back.

I just finished the disc, and while it's an interesting 90 minute documentary on the history of the F13 series, full of many different clips and recollections of many actors and crew who worked on the films, I didn't care at all for the way they jumped all over the place and back and forth, rather than dealing with this chronologically. It was very MTV-like. I actually much preferred watching the extras, which were often more complete interview segments and memories. I guess you're not like me in this regard, but I would have been happy to see each and every participant's full, raw, uncut interview... instead of the "one sentence here, another sentence there" approach used for the main disc.
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It's a shame Miner and Feldman weren't involved as I really wanted to hear from both of them. Feldman was on the Paramount disc and he certainly needs the movie so why he's missing is a shock. I also heard that the director of part 5 only gets about 30 seconds and that the "girl eating the banana" from part 4 gets more screentime. I'm not sure when I'm going to watch this but I did manage to get free tickets to the remake next Friday and will probably try to catch the first showing. I might even revisit JASON GOES TO HELL and JASON X since I haven't seen them in ages. I hated JGTH so this might be a last viewing thing to get a review up.
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It's a shame Miner and Feldman weren't involved as I really wanted to hear from both of them. Feldman was on the Paramount disc and he certainly needs the movie so why he's missing is a shock. I also heard that the director of part 5 only gets about 30 seconds and that the "girl eating the banana" from part 4 gets more screentime. I'm not sure when I'm going to watch this but I did manage to get free tickets to the remake next Friday and will probably try to catch the first showing. I might even revisit JASON GOES TO HELL and JASON X since I haven't seen them in ages. I hated JGTH so this might be a last viewing thing to get a review up.

Well, instead of speculating about HIS NAME WAS JASON, you ought to just go ahead and check it out. The director from PART 5 (I know you're fond of that entry, but I'm not very) has a shorter time only because he doesn't seem to have much to say. I don't know if you also have the "bonus" disc (it's a necessity IMO), but that has longer interviews with the directors, something like 8 - 10 minutes each, where they talk more. Yet that director doesn't offer up that much.

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Feldman was on the Paramount disc and he certainly needs the movie so why he's missing is a shock.

"Movie"?? Anyway -- one interesting thing to me is how Ted White, the guy who played Jason in THE FINAL CHAPTER, says that he couldn't stand Corey Feldman, and that he was a spoiled brat. But whether Steve Miner and Corey Feldman are missing or not, this is a rather extensive effort where the producers managed to dig up a HUGE array of cast members, some of whom have never been seen or interviewed before.
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My bad: needs the money. I hope a sequel to the remake will eventually bring Tommy (and Feldman) back to the series. With Paramount and New Line finally working together instead of against one another hopefully this could happen.
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War Day #3:


02/04/09: DECISION BEFORE DAWN (Anatole Litvak, 1951)

The presence of this prestigious but obscure war/espionage movie among the Academy Award nominees for the Best Picture of 1951 – where it was up against such heavyweights as A PLACE IN THE SUN, QUO VADIS and A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE – has always intrigued me. The film is certainly well-made and acted on the surface but, I suppose, what impressed most at the time was its being based on a real episode of WWII (back then a mere 6 years away), it was shot among the actual German ruins and served as an introduction to two German actors – Oskar Werner and Hildegard Knef (billed here as Hildegarde Neff) – who would subsequently become internationally renowned film stars; incidentally, I have just acquired two other espionage films the latter made around this time, DIPLOMATIC COURIER (1952; with Tyrone Power) and THE MAN BETWEEN (1953; co-starring James Mason). Despite being third billed (after Fox stalwarts Richard Basehart and Gary Merrill), Werner is the true protagonist of the film and he acquits himself superbly playing a meek medical soldier who, after seeing his comrade being pushed out the window to his death for passing disparaging comments on the Third Reich, decides to join the Allies by acting as their informer on the German Front; a youthful but unmistakable Klaus Kinski appears very briefly as another prospective candidate for the job. During the course of the film, Werner attracts the affection of two women – a French girl (Dominique Blanchar) stationed in the monastery being used as the Allied H.Q. and a German artiste (Knef), sent by a suspicious, ultra-nationalistic German soldier he meets along the way to seduce him in his hotel room, but who eventually alerts Werner to his being watched. Merrill plays the sympathetic American superior officer while Basehart is the cynical communications official who accompanies Werner and an irascible German spy dubbed “Tiger” (Hans Christian Blech) into enemy territory. While accomplishing his mission of locating the new position of a German division that was being a thorn in the Allies’ side, Werner is briefly engaged as the personal assistant of a proud German Colonel with a heart condition (a fine performance from O.E. Hasse) and ultimately gives his life for the cause on a beach after being chased around the rubble-strewn streets of Germany.
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Deliverance (1972) John Boorman

Jon Voight, Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty and Ronny Cox plays friends from the city who decide to go to the country so that they can white water before the river is turned into a lake. The trip starts off fine but soon the four are working against the odds to get off the river with their lives after they encounter a couple rednecks. To me this is one of the greatest films of the decade but I think it's also one of the most chilling ever made and still packs a wonderful punch after all these years. To me the movie is about nature and trying to survive in it no matter what gets thrown at you. Out of the four characters only one, Reynolds, claims to know what he's doing yet as the men get closer into darkness the other find themselves trying to fight through their own fears. The movie has one great sequence after another and so many memorable moments including the terrific "Dueling Banjos" sequence, which of course eventually leads to the nightmarish sequence in the woods that everyone knows about now. The "pig" sequence has become someone of a joke now due to everything that's been on television but to me this scene still packs one hell of a punch because of how terrifying it is. The performances by Bill McKinney and Herbert Coward are downright chilling and really add to the terrifying situation these men are faced with. The nightmarish tone, almost like a horror film, doesn't end here because the rest of their trip down the river will have the viewer holding their breath because of the unknown, which is going to follow. I always thought the river played a big part in the film because it seems when the water is calm so are the men. It gives them a chance to breathe but when the rapids pick up so does the dangerous situations going through them. The calmness before the rape leads to the men leaving in a rush, confused and not knowing exactly what's to follow and then they run into the faster rapids again. The calmness then brings them to the next situation of the mountain, which is a brilliantly executed sequence. Another major plus is some wonderful cinematography, which to me is among the best ever in a film. The way the camera makes the river and locations a part of the story also adds a chilling effect. Even the performances are rather remarkable with all four leads bringing so much personality and development to their characters. I'm really not sure Reynolds was ever better and Voight gives another terrific performance during this hot part of his career, which started a few years earlier with Midnight Cowboy. While the banjo and rape sequences have become the best known I still think the greatest moment in the movie is right after the rape when the men have to discuss what to do. The performances and dialogue really makes this sequence one of the most memorable from the decade, which was full of great movies. I think another reason the movie works so well because it's never really clear what happened to the men. Certain situations come up yet we're never really given the answers as to what is happening and to me this just adds more chills to the movie.

Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday (1993) Adam Marcus

For this ninth entry in the long-running series we saw studios changed hands as New Line took over after Paramount had grown tired with the series. New Line's attempt was to bring some new blood into the series but what they ended up doing was delivering the worst film. This time out we start off with Jason (Kane Hodder) chasing a victim through the woods when a SWAT team jumps out and blows him to pieces. The only problem is that his heart is still alive and after a doctor bites into it the soul of Jason enters him. Turns out Jason had a sister so the spirit, jumping from body to body, now tries going after her and her daughter. As you can tell by not having Jason in the movie except for the start and finish, the studio certainly tried doing something new and I can still remember my father taking me to see this with a sold out crowd on opening night. The crowd was certainly pumped up and ready to go but by the twenty-minute mark people were bored out of their minds. At the end of the film people were throwing popcorn at the screen, cussing and everyone walks out mad and cheated. So has time helped this film? Certainly not as it's clearly the worst in the series just because of how stupid the spirit jumping in. Not only does the film have logical plot holes it also has some really bad direction, bad dialogue and, as I said, a really bad story. The only thing that really saves this turkey are some rather good kill scenes as well as the now well-known cameo at the end, which gave fans something to look forward to (even though it didn't happen for over a decade). With this film the characters are all poorly written and for the first time in the series there wasn't a single one I cared for. I found all of them to be very annoying with a leading man who couldn't carry a grocery sack let alone an entire film. The female heroin isn't any more interesting and Hodder really doesn't get to do much with Jason since you see him and then he's gone. Even the ending manages to be the worst in the series. All in all this is just a very bad movie from start to finish.
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Adam Marcus admits in the HIS NAME WAS JASON documentary (well, at least in the elongated extras section) that "I had no clue what I was doing from Day One" when he made JASON GOES TO HELL. He was just out of film school, he was 23, it was his first movie, and it really shows.
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Yeah, on the commentary he even states that New Line didn't know about the "Freddy" gag and apologizes for getting people's hopes up when the studio weren't even planning (at that time) a team up movie.

It's funny I remember that screening so well but it wasn't nearly as memorable as the HALLOWEEN 6 screening. Once again, first showing, sold out crowd and people were f'n PISSED. I actually got worried about how some of these fans were acting and in fact the theater canceled the second screening that night. When the ending finally "happened" the crowd just broke out in boos, throwing stuff and so on. Here's yet another I plan to revisit in the next couple days. I lost my JASON X disc somewhere so I'm going to have to get it from Netflix.
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My memory of seeing JASON GOES TO HELL in the theater was that the audience groaned when we saw the shot of the coroner walking past a mirror in a trance-like state after eating Jason's heart, and then we see him as Jason's reflection in the mirror. People were groaning as if to say "oh, come on - give us a break, this guy is supposed to be Jason now???" They also laughed unintentionaly at scenes like the hero wrestling the deputy near the car and pulling his gun on him, and when Creighton Duke breaks the hero's fingers, for no good reason.

But I recall the audience cheering at the very end when Jason returns and smashes upward through the floor.

I myself cheered when I saw the last shot with the claw, because I figured we were guaranteed the FREDDY VS JASON film. I saw JASON GOES TO HELL on August 13, 1993 -- and FVJ opened on August 15, 2003 !
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Hey Mike - how about trying that "recommend a film" from Netflix thing we used to talk about doing? You suggest a movie for me, I suggest one for you.

I just mailed back THE FRONT today, and I have THE BURNING on top of my queue (you had wanted me to see that one). If you want to suggest another for me instead, let me know quick, so I can boost something else up top.
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Nah, THE BURNING will do so that you can enter the debate on whether or not it's better than the F13 films.

I vote yes.
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Didi you say you already had MOTHER'S DAY ready? That would be my pick.
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Nope and it's a VERY LONG WAIT at Netflix.

EDIT TO ADD:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/.../12010301/1023

That review really makes me want to see it. I guess he had forgotten some of the "geek" films he was making with Meyer.
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Then try DEVIL DOLL (1964)

But too bad you read about MOTHER'S DAY. There's probably some stuff there which should have been a surprise. As I said before, it's real depraved - but the victims are well-drawn characters, at least.

from me (like it says on Ebert's "Users")
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Don't worry, I only read the first paragraph. Will read the rest after I've seen it but it's had a "VERY LONG WAIT" since October when I first tried renting it for the Halloween Challenge.

I must admit that I rolled my eyes when you gave me a British horror film. At first I thought you were just trying to punish me but it was a pleasant surprise. I still need to see DEAD OF NIGHT and MAGIC is one I'd like to revisit at some point in time.


Strauss Fantasy (1954) No Director Credited

Oscar-nominated short from MGM has their Symphony Orchestra, led by Johnny Green, plays various waltzes composed by three members of the Strauss family. "Pizzicato Polka," "Tales from the Vienna Woods," "Vienna Life," and "On the Beautiful Blue Danube" are among the songs performed here in an edited form. I must admit that I wasn't too familiar with the Strauss family or their work but I did enjoy this brief, ten-minute concert that shows off some of their highlights.

La Gazza Ladra Overture (1954) No Director Credited

MGM's Symphony Orchestra, led by Johnny Green, go through Rossini's overture "La Gazza Ladra", just as the title says. Once again I'm new to this series of shorts with Green but so far I'm very impressed with their quality. The 1.85:1 aspect ratio, new to the shorts format as well, is nicely used here and makes for a very pretty picture to look at as well as listen to. I'm not overly familiar with the overture here but Green does a very good job with his 80-man orchestra and makes for an entertaining 10-minutes.

Flying Doctors of East Africa, The (1969) Werner Herzog

Original title: Die Fliegenden Ärzte von Ostafrika

Herzog documentary takes a look at some volunteers in Africa who fly around to various rural parts just to perform operations and spread the word about medicine. Even though the doctors try their best they are often met with people who either refuse to listen or are afraid of what they are actually trying to do. This is yet another fascinating film from the German director who of course would go onto make some of the best documentaries out there. This film here is like many of his future works in that it doesn't take a look at the subject in an usual way but instead takes a look at strange things other filmmakers might overlook. The perfect example of this is a scene where the narrator talks about hyenas and their appetite for the plane tires especially those made by Firestone. The doctors also have to work with other strange things like one tribe being terrified to climb steps so they have to be lured to climb them to reach the treatment. The doctors interviewed for the project are all rather interesting since they are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. They discuss the benefit of flying around to the patients but they are open with their frustration of the same people who sometimes make their jobs very difficult. Before operations the doctors will tell people not to eat but the African people think food is the way to get healthy and this here causes many to puke into their masks and kill them (like the story to the Newman film The Verdict). Running a short 45-minutes, the movie never overstays its welcome and in the end this turns out to be another winner for the director.

Devil Doll (1964) Lindsay Shonteff

Effective and perfectly made British horror film has Bryant Haliday play The Great Vorelli, a hypnotist/ventriloquist who can do things that no other can. Why is that? Because his dummy actually has the soul of his former assistant in it and Vorelli plans on making another dummy and putting the soul of a woman (Yvonne Romain) he's hammered with in it. This film has an incredibly low rating on IMDB, which I'm sure is going to keep many people away but I'd guess a lot of those low votes come from people just giving it low votes because MST3K did an episode with this. A lot of other books and magazines praise this film and I'm going to do so as well. I normally tend to find British horror films a tad bit boring and while this one here begins to lose steam as it rolls along, it still manages to be quite effective. What's most impressive is the cinematography and editing, all of which is done on a very low budget. Some have said the film has a made for TV look but I'd disagree with this. Yes, it's mostly close ups used but I think this works out to be very effective because it puts us so close to Vorelli and the dummy that you can't help but feel as if you're under a trance as well. I really loved how the film was edited and this could be used as evidence that editing is the most important thing in a film. Just watch the first stage show where the dummy first begins to walk. It's rather obvious that a midget is doing the dummy but the way this sequence is put together makes it rather chilling when you see him start to walk. The ending, while a bit over the top, also features some great editing as well. I found Haliday to be quite pleasant in his role as was Hammer queen Romain. I wasn't too impressed with William Sylvester but he too was still better than you'd normally get in such a low budget film. I watched the European version of the film, which features a tad bit more nudity and features a few strange sequences like a striptease. This isn't the most original movie ever made but it's the perfect example of something done right with very little money.
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Wild Wild West

I can't say how true to the series this movie is... as I don't remember ever seeing the series before. If I remember correctly I bought this purely on the star power of Will Smith. I did find it to be a bit on the weird side what with all the gadgets and such set back in the Old West times. But it entertaining all the same. It is just one you can not take seriously.
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Mike, I'm glad you enjoyed DEVIL DOLL but the only thing that puzzles me is, how did you get it so quickly? I suggested it only yesterday and you got it just a few hours after!
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