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post #1351 of 1466
I enjoyed SH a bit.  It rolled on the solid (and occasionally inspired) direction and charisma of the two leads.  The rest of it was basically forgettable.  But I'd see a sequel.

Good to hear about the strong holiday season.  I'm gratified to hear about Avatar's financial success.  It was a gamble, and it is paying off.  Again, shades of Titanic.

Regarding the 2009 $ king, I'd take almost anything but TF2.  I'd probably take the Squeakquel at this point.  We'll need another weekend or two to see Avatar hits those heights.  If a two and a half hour science fiction spectacle is going to hit that number, I'd prefer it to be this one.
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Given that the average ticket price for "Avatar" is around $10 bucks (because of increased 3D pricing) the film probably won't sell as many tickets as TF2 (a little over 56 million), but at this point I'd be surprised if the movie didn't at least bank more than $350 million domestically.  If "Avatar" were to match TF2's ticket sales, that would put it in the neighborhood of $535-$550 million domestically.
post #1353 of 1466
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Friday Estimates

#1 "Sherlock Holmes" $24.9 million *biggest Christmas Day haul in history*
#2 "Avatar" $23.5 million ($160.8 million) 12% Friday-to-Friday drop
#3 "Alvin & the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel" $14.5 million ($41.4 million)
#4 "It's Complicated" $7.1 million
#5 "Up in the Air" $3.6 million ($16.2 million) 281% Friday-to-Friday increase
#6 "The Blind Side" $3.4 million ($176.0 million) 6% Friday-to-Friday increase
#7 "Nine" $2.0 million ($2.4 million) 2,208% Friday-to-Friday increase
#8 "The Princess and the Frog" $2.0 million ($56.8 million) 43% Friday-to-Friday drop
#9 "Did You Hear About the Morgans?" $1.5 million ($12.2 million) 34% Friday-to-Friday drop
#10 "Invictus" $1.3 million ($20.3 million) 2% Friday-to-Friday drop
#11 "The Twilight Saga: New Moon" $660K ($278.6 million) 52% Friday-to-Friday drop
#12 "A Christmas Carol" $485K ($135.1 million) 49% Friday-to-Friday drop
Edited by TerryRL - 12/26/09 at 2:15pm
post #1354 of 1466
I am actually shocked by those box office numbers for Christmas Day.  It wasn't that long ago that theaters did well on Christmas Day, but nothing approaching those numbers.  So much for people opening their presents and having a good Christmas dinner at home.
post #1355 of 1466
It doesn't look like Disney's "Princess and The Frog" is going to make it to the 100 million mark domestically. Am I calling that right? The film looks to be a bit of a disappointment box office-wise. Might not bode well for any revival of 2D animation at Disney. How is it doing globally? 
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford View Post

So much for people opening their presents and having a good Christmas dinner at home.

But there's nothing to do once that's over, and movie theaters are about the only business open on Christmas Day.

But, yes, it wasn't that long ago that a $10 million gross on Christmas Day was considered good business.  Now $20 million will be the new $10 million.
post #1357 of 1466
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Originally Posted by Edwin-S View Post

It doesn't look like Disney's "Princess and The Frog" is going to make it to the 100 million mark domestically. Am I calling that right? The film looks to be a bit of a disappointment box office-wise. Might not bode well for any revival of 2D animation at Disney. How is it doing globally? 

"The Princess and the Frog" is falling off a lot quicker than the studio anticipated.  As far as I know, the movie is only just beginning its run overseas.  While the movie has earned strong reviews, it hasn't pulled in the type of business that the studio hoped for.  Sadly, with the movie not performing up to expectations, it could be yet another nail in the coffin of big screen 2D animated movies.
post #1358 of 1466
I hope it does better globally. I thought the film wasn't quite up to the level of some of Disney's past animated musicals, but it was still better than TF2 and STAR TREK in my book. It is too bad that it isn't doing better, but it ended up facing some pretty stiff competition in this frame. I would hope that global results are better and that that would influence Disney to continue a revival of the 2D animated film. I'd really hate to see the art form die. 
post #1359 of 1466
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I also hope it does better overseas.  The art form will (hopefully) never truly die, but may end up relegated to the straight-to-video format instead of big screen releases.  Hollywood is a place where you're rewarded for "playing it safe" (generally speaking of course).  If 2D films simply aren't making the money that CG animated ones are, than studios will shy away from greenlighting one with a significant budget.  If 'Princess and the Frog' had been a huge smash, than every studio would've put a major 2D animated project into pre-production. 
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post #1361 of 1466
O.M.G!

Those are huge numbers!
post #1362 of 1466
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If those numbers hold than "Avatar" will have earned the biggest second-weekend gross in history, inching past the $75 million haul "The Dark Knight" pulled off last year.  A final domestic mark north of the $400 million plateau is probably a lock at this point.
post #1363 of 1466
Reading the comments at that deadline.com site makes my head hurt.

We've seen Sherlock Holmes, Up in the Air, and Nine in the past 36 hours.  It was a great weekend for movies.

Thanks again for a great 2009, Terry.  Happy New Year.
post #1364 of 1466
Just came back from a 9AM IMAX 3D showing of AVATAR and it was completely sold out as was the following show. I wouldn't be surprised if the weekend actuals come in higher. I'm Thinking it may sniff $500 million in the end.
post #1365 of 1466
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Originally Posted by Greg Layton View Post

Reading the comments at that deadline.com site makes my head hurt.

We've seen Sherlock Holmes, Up in the Air, and Nine in the past 36 hours.  It was a great weekend for movies.

Thanks again for a great 2009, Terry.  Happy New Year.

You're very welcome and happy new year to you.
post #1366 of 1466
As the guy who said that Fox couldn't get a return on Avatar only because they spent so much money, I'm happy that it looks like I'll be proven wrong in the end.
post #1367 of 1466
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Weekend Estimates

#1 "Avatar" $75.0 million ($212.3 million) -3%
#2 "Sherlock Holmes" $65.4 million
#3 "Alvin & the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel" $50.2 million ($77.1 million)
#4 "It's Complicated" $22.1 million
#5 "Up in the Air" $11.8 million ($24.5 million) +266%
#6 "The Blind Side" $11.7 million ($184.4 million) +17%
#7 "The Princess and the Frog" $8.7 million ($63.4 million) -29%
#8 "Nine" $5.5 million ($5.9 million)
#9 "Did You Hear About the Morgans?" $5.0 million ($15.6 million) -24%
#10 "Invictus" $4.4 million ($23.4 million) +4%
#11 "The Twilight Saga: New Moon" $3.0 million ($280.9 million) -32%
#12 "A Christmas Carol" $1.4 million ($136.0 million) -61%

It was a very Merry Christmas for Hollywood as this holiday frame earned the biggest box office numbers ever for a single weekend of business.  The top 12 films earned a staggering $264.2 million, easily distancing the $253.6 million record achieved in July of last year when "The Dark Knight" got off to its record-breaking start.  This weekend also marks the first time in history that three films topped $50 million, it is also the second time that the top two movies earned more than $60 million apiece.  This hasn't happened since Memorial Day weekend '04 when "Shrek 2" ($72.2 million) and "The Day After Tomorrow" ($68.7 million) topped the box office.  This weekend also saw another rarity with the top four films all pulling in more than $20 million.

The $264.2 million was a phenomenal 53% better than last year, as well as an even more impressive 64% stronger than this frame in '07.  2009 also becomes the first year to post two top 12 finishes of more than $250 million, the other being the $250 million performance the weekend 'New Moon' opened. 

2009's incredible year-to-date domestic gross now stands at $10.358 billion, marking 10% improvements over both last year ($9.455 billion) and '07 ($9.437 billion), up 15% compared to '06 ($8.999 billion), and 20% stronger than '05 ($8.652 billion). 

Fox's "Avatar" repeated as the nation's top box office draw as lost only 3% of its business from last week to earn the second biggest sophomore-weekend haul in history.  The film's $75 million haul came in just behind the $75.2 million second-weekend tally of "The Dark Knight".  "Avatar" has so far earned $212 million domestically and is nearing the $500 million mark in global earnings.  Fox is now speculating that the film will eventually top the $400 million plateau in domestic earnings, as well as end up passing the $1 billion mark worldwide.  Love him or hate him, writer/director James Cameron has proved yet again that he's "king of world".

WB's "Sherlock Holmes" earned the second biggest non-#1 opening in history, behind the $68.7 million launch of "The Day After Tomorrow".  The movie opened well above industry and studio expectations, as well as earning raves from moviegoers thus far. The studio firmly believes that they have what will become a hit franchise on their hands.  'Holmes' earned a per-theater average of $18,031 from its 3,626 locations, which was the second best of the top 12.

Fox's 'Alvin & the Chipmunks' sequel pulled in a stellar $77.1 million since Wednesday, $50.2 million for the weekend which was the seventh best December opening in history.  The film took in an average of $13,568 from its 3,700 theaters, the third best of the top 12.  Look for Fox to greenlight a third 'Chipmunks' flick very soon.

Universal's "It's Complicated" got off to a great start as it debuted with $22 million, giving it a very solid average of $7,660 from its 2,887 locales.  Two-time Oscar winner Meryl Streep has turned into a major box office star during the last few years (not too shabby for a 60-year-old) and 'It's Complicated" looks as if it be her a third big box office hit out of her last five movies.  The studio is confident that "It's Complicated" could become just as big a hit (maybe bigger) than Streep's summer hit "Julie & Julia" ($94.1 million), which may nab the actress yet another Best Actress Oscar nod.

With no new films opening next weekend "Avatar" will look to become the first 2009 release to top the box office for three weeks, marking the first time since late summer last year when "Tropic Thunder" was the top film in the land for three weeks in-a-row.  "Avatar" could end up being the first movie since "The Dark Knight" to sit atop the weekend box office for four straight weeks.
post #1368 of 1466
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The official numbers have been released and "Avatar" earned a record-breaking $75.6 million this weekend, coming in just ahead of the $75.2 million pulled in last year by "The Dark Knight" to give "Avatar" the biggest second-weekend gross in history.  At this point it will be a shock if the movie doesn't end up crossing the $400 million mark domestically.
post #1369 of 1466
What's the box office number for Avatar worldwide for it to turn a profit?




Crawdaddy
post #1370 of 1466
I think a big travesty is that something as awful looking as Alvin and The Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has already outgrossed a decent musical like The Princess and The Frog. I watched a clip from A&TC 2 where the "Chippettes" do a cover of a Beyonce song and it was brutal. Parents are scarring their children for life by exposing them to trash like that.   I normally have no problem going to some "G" rated pictures alone, but not even having kids would have made me step over the threshold to watch Alvin and The Chipmunks: The Squeakquel.

Regarding Avatar: It looks like Jim "Horseshoes" Cameron has pulled it off again. Everytime I see one of his monstrously budgeted movies announced I think to myself it is the one that is going to fail and end his reign as the self styled "King of The World". So far, damn it, I've been wrong and this occasion looks to be no different.

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I've edited this so that a bit of "blue" language doesn't show up in the preview on the thread title page.
Edited by Edwin-S - 12/28/09 at 3:34pm
post #1371 of 1466

Studios keep jumping up and down about how this is a record breaking year but I'm curious if there's anyone tracking the indie films.  The reason I ask is that it appears most of them are crashing and burning.  I keep reading various "Top 10 of 2009" lists across the web from critics and it appears message boards are filling up with "fans" talking about how these films aren't playing anywhere near them.  THE HURT LOCKER, AN EDUCATIOn, A SIMPLE MAN and several others are being looked at as possible Oscar-winners yet very few people are getting the shot to see them.
 

The "mainstream/blockbusters" might be doing good but it appears a lot of smaller films are getting killed at the box office or simply not getting any type of release.  I keep wondering if this is due to the public simply not caring about "art films" or if it's because so many blockbusters are being released each month and on so many screens that these smaller films simply have no where to play. 
 

Louisville was always great about getting these smaller films but I moved to Cincinnati a year and a half ago and the indie market here is downright horrible.  The only place showing them is an arthouse theatre about an hour away and none of the AMC chains or others are playing any of them.  Reading various message boards and blogs, including Roger Ebert's, it seems rather scary that so many of these films aren't getting released.
 

Again, I understand that certain films can't be shown on 3000 screens but if a company can't do a better job than they're doing then I really don't see the point of anyone putting money into smaller films like these. 

post #1372 of 1466
From boxofficeguru.com

James Cameron was at it again. The Oscar-winning sci-fi guru enjoyed his second straight weekend at number one with the 3D epic Avatar which dipped a scant 2% in its sophomore frame to gross $75.6M, according to final studio figures, shooting the ten-day total to an eye-popping $212.7M. The Fox blockbuster scored the largest second weekend gross in history edging out The Dark Knight which followed up its record-breaking $158.4M debut with a 53% drop to $75.2M in its sophomore session in late July 2008. The only other films to gross more than $70M in their second weekends were Shrek 2 with $72.2M in 2004 and Spider-Man with $71.4M in 2002. All three of those films went on to finish north of $400M domestically and Avatar now seems on the same trajectory which would allow it to topple Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen to become the top-grossing film released in 2009.

The 3D film took in $23.1M on Friday for Christmas Day, rose 22% to $28.3M on Saturday, and slipped 14% on Sunday to $24.2M. With so many people off from work and school this coming week, Avatar's cume will continue to surge with the quarter-billion mark likely to crumble on Wednesday and the $300M level to be passed on Saturday with much more to come. The futuristic event film already ranks number seven for 2009 after just ten days and by next weekend it will shove aside Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince for the number two slot with its guns aimed squarely at Michael Bay's toy robots.

The holiday certainly helped the mega-budgeted actioner post such a great sophomore hold, but despite $150M in competition from the new wide releases, Avatar stayed strong because audiences have been liking and recommending the film. Cameron should have no problem becoming a filmmaker with two of the top ten blockbusters of all-time, maybe even two of the top five.

Overseas, the Na'vi dominated with a sizzling $145M from 108 markets in its second weekend to propel the international tally to $405M and the global gross to an incredible $618M in under two weeks. The $1 billion worldwide mark will be shattered in no time and Cameron now looks set to own the two largest global blockbusters of all-time. The current runner-up behind Titanic is The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King with $1.12 billion.

post #1373 of 1466
$618 million in under two weeks. I think it may have already done that.
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What's the box office number for Avatar worldwide for it to turn a profit?




Crawdaddy
post #1374 of 1466
turning a profit is complicated the studio gets back slightly more than 50% of the gross, so at 600 million it has earned back about 300 million.  Avatar had about a 150 million dollar marketing/prints budget, so that comes off the top.  budget estimates range from 220-290, and there are various counter party agreements and tax breaks that knock about 50 million off the top of that production costs, so let's round down and say it's probably not 170, and probably not 240 and split the difference and say it was about 200 million.  now, that does not mean it needs to earn another 100 million (50 to the studios) to turn a profit, because usually points begin kicking in after the first dollar marketing expenses are paid.  I would venture a guess that Cameron's taking at least 10 points of net after marketing expenses but before production expenses are paid, so of the remaining 150, 15 is probably going to Cameron, fortunately there are no big stars or writers but there are probably a few other point participants on the back end, so let's say another 6.5 points chew off another 10 million (however these other backend point participants are probably off the net after production and marketing, rather than net after marketing, but this is getting complicated enough, so lets assume that its net after marketing to keep things easier, and its possible cameron is taking points of gross before marketing, but that's pretty unheard of).  That would mean there's 105 million to pay the production costs.  So the film needs another 95 million after point participant deductions to reach the black.  But don't think the math is that simple, because sometimes point participation increases as a film reaches different levels of gross, Cameron may get more points every 250 million the film grosses, for example.  This is why ticket sales don't matter to hollywood, people like Cameron get paid based on gross and levels of gross reached, not tickets sold.

sooooo... to be on the safe side, I'd say the film needs another 250 million in worldwide gross to reach the black in theatrical.  OTOH, if the film only has net after marketing & production backend participants, it's could already be in the black, or will be in the black by thursday.

A film like SpiderMan 3 with its much bigger budget (reputedly the most expensive film ever made, either it or Pirates 3) and with many many more point participants taking massive pieces of the points after marketing has a much harder time reaching the black, if it ever did, even with DVD.
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I keep reading various "Top 10 of 2009" lists across the web from critics and it appears message boards are filling up with "fans" talking about how these films aren't playing anywhere near them.  THE HURT LOCKER, AN EDUCATIOn, A SIMPLE MAN and several others are being looked at as possible Oscar-winners yet very few people are getting the shot to see them.
  



I live in suburban Philadelphia and The Hurt Locker played at chain theaters here back in June or so. I'd be surprised if most (if not all) of the movies that get Oscar nods don't play here too. I can only speak to this area but it seems the same as every other year- I hear about the Oscar contenders in the fall and then they actually open up here in January or February.
post #1376 of 1466
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What's the box office number for Avatar worldwide for it to turn a profit?

 

Movies NEVER make a profit (actually, according to the article below, about 5% do).  Haven't you heard of Hollywood Accounting?

Wikipedia - Hollywood Accounting.
post #1377 of 1466
It's looking like Avatar's 2nd Monday take was more than its 1st Monday take at the box office (about $19 million yesterday, vs. $16.4 million last Monday).  How crazy is that?
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It's looking like Avatar's 2nd Monday take was more than its 1st Monday take at the box office (about $19 million yesterday, vs. $16.4 million last Monday).  How crazy is that?
Young people on Christmas Break!
post #1379 of 1466
Young people were on christmas break last monday too!
post #1380 of 1466
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That $19.4 million figure represents the second biggest non-holiday Monday gross in history, trailing only the $24.5 million first-Monday haul of "The Dark Knight".  The film also earned the biggest second-Monday tally ever, besting the previous record of $12.0 million held by Peter Jackson's "King Kong" remake.  "The Dark Knight" pulled in $10.5 million during its second Monday in theaters.

Next weekend "Avatar" will attempt to become the first film in history to earn more than $50 million in three weekends of business. 
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