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post #1021 of 1466
now that some have seen the trailer for avatar.. what the bet that it will be the number 1 movie?
I was impressed with the trailer.

Jacob
post #1022 of 1466

Terry-


What kind of projections are out there for inglorious basterds?

post #1023 of 1466
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The general consensus is that "Inglorious Bastards" will open in the neighborhood of $25-$30 million.  The movie is expected to challenge "Kill Bill: Volume Two" ($25.1 million) as the biggest debut ever for director Quentin Tarantino.
post #1024 of 1466
Those experts also said GRINDHOUSE would be a hit and we know what happened there.  I hate making predictions because I'm always wrong (except on GRINDHOUSE) but I'll stick my neck out there and say this is going to be another flop.  The word of mouth is going to kill this movie and I don't think the 70% subtitles is going to be the only reason.  Adam joked about the fall from Friday to Saturday and it might very well be a big one. 
post #1025 of 1466
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Those experts also said GRINDHOUSE would be a hit and we know what happened there.  I hate making predictions because I'm always wrong (except on GRINDHOUSE) but I'll stick my neck out there and say this is going to be another flop.  The word of mouth is going to kill this movie and I don't think the 70% subtitles is going to be the only reason.  Adam joked about the fall from Friday to Saturday and it might very well be a big one.

 

After watching the trailers, I think the movie looks silly. It looks like it was directed and produced by a group of 12-15 year old boys trying to make a "kewl" WWII action flick.

Edited by Charles Knox - 8/21/09 at 3:37pm
post #1026 of 1466
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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott View Post

Adam joked about the fall from Friday to Saturday and it might very well be a big one. 


I don't think word of mouth travels fast enough to have that significant of a drop between Friday and Saturday (and there's no chance of a 70% drop that Adam predicted). Eventhough I loved the movie, I have no doubt that there will be a huge drop next weekend.
post #1027 of 1466
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Looks like "Inglorious Basterds" pulled in about $14 million during its opening day, coming in well above industry and studio predictions.  A debut weekend haul in the area of $35 million is now expected, easily making this the biggest debut ever in the career of writer/director Quentin Tarantino.
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Originally Posted by Charles Knox View Post

After watching the trailers, I think the movie looks silly. It looks like it was directed and produced by a group of 12-15 year old boys trying to make a "kewl" WWII action flick.
 

Which is too bad, because this movie is anything but.  I think that the fact that over half the film is sub-titled will result in a drop at the box office, but it's also going to suffer once people find out it's not 2 hours of Pitt and company barnstorming Europe and slaughtering Nazis.
post #1029 of 1466
I expect IB will be front-loaded with QT fanatics and think there will be a drop-off in business as the weekend goes on.  I'd expect the weekend gross to be closer to $28 million.
post #1030 of 1466
Wow.  Who saw that coming?  Good word of mouth has to be really helping IB.  Only an -8% drop Friday to Saturday, and it's now expected to be about $38M

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com

Which will make it QT's biggest opening.

Cinemascore rating is also very high, so this might have decent legs.
post #1031 of 1466
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Weekend Estimates

#1 "Inglorious Basterds" $37.6 million
#2 "District 9" $18.9 million ($73.5 million) -49%
#3 "G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra" $12.5 million ($120.5 million) -44%
#4 "The Time Traveler's Wife" $10.0 million ($37.4 million) -46%
#5 "Julie & Julia" $9.0 million ($59.3 million) 25%
#6 "Shorts" $6.6 million
#7 "G-Force" $4.2 million ($107.3 million) -39%
#8 "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" $3.5 million ($290.3 million) -32%
#9 "The Ugly Truth" $2.9 million ($82.9 million) -36%
#10 "Post Grad" $2.8 million
#11 "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" $2.7 million ($11.2 million) -53% 
#12 "Ponyo" $2.4 million ($8.1 million) -32%

Moviegoers spent just over $113 million on the top 12 films this weekend, marking impressive 31% and 29% improvements over this frame from the previous two years.  Adding yet another record to its growing list of accomplishments, 2009 earned the fastest trek to the $7 billion mark in total yearly box office grosses.  This year's year-to-date haul now stands at $7.104 billion marking 7% increases over both last year ($6.660 billion) and '07 ($6.657 billion), up 15% compared to '06 ($6.200 billion), and 21% stronger than '05 ($5.865 billion).  Nearly 990 million theater admissions have been sold so far this year.

Weinstein/Universal's "Inglorious Basterds" opened well above industry expectations as the movie gave writer/director Quentin Tarantino the biggest debut haul of his career (easily passing the $25.1 million launch of the second 'Kill Bill' movie).  This marks the sixth $25 million-plus opener for star Brad Pitt out of his last ten movies.  The $70 million budgeted flick also looks on course to become the sixth $100 million-plus domestic performer out of Pitt's last ten movies judging by the strong exit polling.  If the film does go on to top the century mark, this would be only the second time that Tarantino has had such a hit.  His last $100 million-plus earner was 1994's "Pulp Fiction", which snagged him a screenplay Oscar.

Based on the tracking data, many were predicting an opening haul in the area of $25 million.  Some thought it would be lucky to earn that much based on the less than stellar critical reaction the film received.  The movie's larger than expected launch was fantastic news for the Weinstein Co. which hasn't had a big hit film in years.  Many in the company were fearing that this one would tank as bad as "Grindhouse" did two years ago.  'Basterds' also marks the fifth time this year that a film carrying an R rating debuted with more than $35 million.  The movie enjoyed a strong average of $11,881 from its 3,165 theaters, which was far and away the best of the top 12. 

Sony's "District 9" was off a moderate 49% as it fell to second place this weekend.  The sci-fi flick has so far tallied $73.5 million and is clearly headed for a final haul north of the century mark.  Paramount's 'G.I. Joe' is now sitting on a domestic gross of $120.5 million.  New Line/WB's "The Time Traveler's Wife" had a decent hold as it lost 46% of its business from a week ago, bringing its total haul to just over $37 million.  A final tally in the neighborhood of $60-$70 million is now expected.  Sony's "Julie & Julia" has now pulled in $59.3 million and could eventually end up topping the century mark if it continues to show such strong legs, losing only 25% this week (the best of the top 12).

WB's "Shorts" had a less than stellar debut as it only managed less than $7 million, giving it an average of $2,126 from its 3,105 theaters.  This marks the lowest wide release opening in the career of writer/director Robert Rodriguez.  Look for this one to fade pretty fast from theaters.

Disney's "G-Force" has now tallied $107.3 million.  WB 's "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" passed the $290 million plateau this weekend.  Sony's "The Ugly Truth" has proven to be a big hit for the studio as it has now earned just under $83 million.  Fox's "Post Grad" went mostly ignored by theater patrons as it opened with $2.8 million, giving it a pathetic per-theater average of $1,429 from its 1,959 locations.  Paramount Vantage's 'The Goods' was the only movie of the top 12 to lose more than 50% of its business from last weekend.  The comedy has so far taken in $11.2 million.  Disney's "Ponyo" rounds out the top 12 as it has now earned just over $8 million.

Next week will see a battle for the top spot between two horror flicks, the Weinstein's "Halloween 2" and New Line/WB's "The Final Destination".  The new 'Final Destination' flick is also being released in 3D.  It will be very interesting to see which movie tops the box office next weekend.  If both films earn big openings, next week could mark the first time ever that every weekend during the August frame saw the top 12 films earn more than $100 million.
post #1032 of 1466
Very surprised at the strength of IB. I guess the next hurdle will be avoiding the second weekend collapse.
post #1033 of 1466
The actuals for IB actually came in $400 grand above the estimates, for a $38.054 million opening weekend.
post #1034 of 1466
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Very interesting article from the In Contention.com site...

To adjust or not to adjust — thoughts on box office reporting

Posted by Chad Hartigan · 9:25 am · August 26th, 2009


It seems every week somebody writes a comment on the Sunday Cents column questioning the historical figures I present or wondering why I choose to use adjusted numbers when I cite them. The answer, I suppose, is pretty simple. I feel that’s the way to most accurately provide context for what happens today.

Tracking box office in general is a fool’s game. Box office reporting is done by the studios that release the films on, more or less, the honor system. In other words, a theater playing “Julie & Julia” calls Sony and reports their gross and Sony compiles it and reports it to the press. What’s stopping them from inflating the actual figures? Nothing really.
 

There are independent services that also compile grosses from theaters and every studio has a general idea of what every other film is doing but neither is 100% accurate. So when it comes time to report a final figure for “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull”’s opening weekend ($100.1 million, if you forgot), there’s no way that Paramount is reporting a figure under $100 million, even if it actually clocked in at $99.2 million.
 

Another example: Sony stops reporting grosses for their films after a certain point while Fox reports until there isn’t a single screen left playing their picture. So “Angels & Demons” has a reported final gross of $133.4 million but it was still in 247 theaters when Sony stopped reporting. If Fox had done the same thing, “Mr. & Mrs. Smith” would have a final gross of $207.6 million and not $208.7 million. Not a big deal? Maybe not, but the point remains that reported figures and historical data is far from 100% accurate. And yes, those “Mr. & Mrs. Smith” numbers are adjusted.
 

Finally, Kris has said before that he thinks dollar figures should be thrown out altogether and the number of tickets sold should be used instead. There’s a lot of logic to this since “Shrek 2” can sell three child-priced tickets in Iowa for $15 and “Moon” can sell one adult ticket at the Arclight and it’s worth $14.50. Fair? Hardly, and it makes the box office performance of kids films like “Shrek 2” all the more impressive. Again, all that is to say that box office should be used as a general barometer for success and not the be all, end all of judging performance.
 

So the argument against using adjusted figures is that it doesn’t accurately take into account things like Netflix, new media options and release patterns that are constantly changing, so the comparison is moot. Let’s look at “Titanic.” It opened with $28.6 million in 1997. Adjusted that becomes $44.8 million. Not adjusting means that we should be saying “Titanic” is comparable to “The Ugly Truth” and “Obsessed.” Adjusting means that “Titanic” is comparable to “The Hangover” and “Terminator Salvation.” Which makes more sense?
 

Sure, in 1997, people didn’t have huge flat screen TVs and Blu-ray DVDs coming out a few months after the theatrical release, but films were also released in far less theaters. “Terminator Salvation” opened in 3,530 theaters and “Titanic” opened in 2,674, so it evens out. If you go back to the 1980s, “Rocky III” opened in 939 theaters, so at that point it becomes silly to compare opening weekend figures. Accurate figures before 1982 simply don’t exist so those films are a non-issue. But I don’t think it’s crazy to adjust the numbers when comparing “X-Men Origins: Wolverine” with the other three “X-Men” films. Has anything really changed since 2000 aside from the price of a ticket? I don’t think so.


post #1035 of 1466
so terry.
I heard that some theatres are already selling tickets for avatar imax midnight shows.
got any other info to share about that?

that pretty impressive for a movie that doesn't open until december. far more then star trek, transformers or even gi joe.

Jacob
post #1036 of 1466
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No more than what's been reported already. 

I am surprised that they started selling tickets so early.  The studio has a lot riding on this movie and with a rumored cost of over $300 million, this movie has to end up being a huge hit globally to see a profit.  The mixed reactions the trailers have earned thus far did put a bit of a scare in some of the studio brass. 
post #1037 of 1466
did you see the imax preview?

Jacob
post #1038 of 1466
For an unknown product what more can the brass expect?  Just the fact that people are talking about it this far in advance should be a good thing. 
post #1039 of 1466
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Jacob, I did see the IMAX preview.

Steve, the brass wanted everyone who saw it to be absolutely blown away by it.  They wanted reaction to be similar to what the original 'Phantom Menace' trailer received.  The movie is being sold as one of the most groundbreaking movies in history and the feedback from the previews were a lot more mixed than anticipated.  Yes, people are talking about the movie and that's never a bad thing, but that "talk" isn't generating the kind of "must-see" buzz that the studio wants.

The brass knows that the movie will open big, but they want it to be a film that plays to strong business (i.e. strong legs) through the spring months (April-May), with the DVD hitting shelves either next summer or next fall (depending on how strong it plays in theaters).  On top of all this, the studio doesn't like the "Dances With Wolves in Space" moniker that some have tagged it with.  "Avatar" is supposed to be this generation's "Star Wars" in terms of how it changes the industry.  The film is already a lock to win the Best FX Oscar, as well as garnering many other technical nods. 

The brass is selling this selling this thing on Jim Cameron's name and the only drawback is that he hasn't made a movie since 1997.  A lot of the key movie-going demo (15-29 year-olds) haven't even seen any of Cameron's movies on the big screen, experiencing them instead on home video.  I'm one of those geezers that was lucky enough to have seen "Aliens", "The Abyss", T2, "True Lies", and "Titanic" all on the big screen so the studio can be assured that I'll definitely be there to see his latest.  

Fox suits know the movie will do business, they're just a little concerned that it won't do the type of business they want it to.  From what I understand, the studio's "bottom" number is $250 million domestically with their top figure going beyond the $400 million plateau.  For a movie that carries a price tag of about $300 million, a worldwide haul of more than $800 million will go a long way to ease the minds of Fox brass. 
post #1040 of 1466
you never saw the original terminator in the theatres.  I guess that I have seen most of his films including terminator 1, aliens, the abyss, t2, true lies and titanic. what did you think of the 3D imax preview?

if the tickets are selling now.. that is probably better then the new twilight movie and what ever else is coming out this fall/christmas?

Jacob
post #1041 of 1466
For the first time in my life I showed up at a movie only to have a small group of people standing by the ticket stand.  I asked for HALLOWEEN II and was told to stand over with the group of people.  A few minutes later the manager came out to inform us that the studio (or whoever) had only shipped the first half of the movie!!!!  They gave all of us free tickets but said they didn't expect the second half to show up until later tonight. 

I rushed to another theater to see the film where there was probably around fifteen people in there.  I expected a lot more than what showed up at either theater.  The film let out at the same time as one of the FD showings and a lot more people were coming out of it.  Seems like a lot of teens were in there while more hardcore horror fans were in H2. 
post #1042 of 1466

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I rushed to another theater to see the film where there was probably around fifteen people in there.  I expected a lot more than what showed up at either theater.  The film let out at the same time as one of the FD showings and a lot more people were coming out of it.  Seems like a lot of teens were in there while more hardcore horror fans were in H2. 


There were 7 people (counting myself) in Halloween II when I saw it and two teens walked out about an hour in. To give a baseline, there were probably about 30 people when I saw Inglourious Basterds and District 9 in the last two weeks and I don't think anyone walked out of either movie. I guess this is a surprise to The Weinstein Company but people don't go to see a horror movie when it opens against a 3-D horror movie. It also helps when you start an ad campaign more than a week and a half before the movie opens. It also probably doesn't help that Haloween isn't that good either.
post #1043 of 1466
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I thought the preview was pretty impressive, but I can understand why there were so many complaints.

Nope, I never saw the original Terminator in theaters.  I honestly wasn't interested in seeing it at that time.

As for this weekend, the reviews for both "The Final Destination" and "Halloween 2" have been horrendous and the tracking for both indicates a very tight race for #1 this weekend.  "The Final Destination" is expected to take the top spot with about $20 million, while H2 is slightly behind with expected grosses in the area of $17-$19 million.


Edited by TerryRL - 8/28/09 at 12:29pm
post #1044 of 1466
Do we know the run time for Avatar?  In my opinion, the general public is not going to hugely embrace this film.  They will see long run-time (I am assuming over 2 hours), heavy cgi, and sci-fi.  For a lot of people, no matter who makes the movie, that turns them off right there.  Throw-in the potential internet (overreaction) backlash that could accompany a film with this amount of hype and I think it has a hard time even getting to $300M.
post #1045 of 1466
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The suits are expecting the movie to clock in at between 2.5 and 3 hours long.  The studio would love the film to be under 2.5 hours obviously, but Cameron has final cut.  And yes, there will probably be an extended cut for the DVD/Blu-ray release.  Others have even hinted at the movie having a final running time closer to that of "Titanic" (about 3 hours and 15 minutes).  The final run time likely won't be released until sometime in November when the critics screenings start.
post #1046 of 1466
 "In my opinion, the general public is not going to hugely embrace this film."

I'm a science fiction fan, and I'm not seeing anything in the preview that gets me stoked for seeing this.  
post #1047 of 1466


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Originally Posted by Don Solosan View Post

 "In my opinion, the general public is not going to hugely embrace this film."

I'm a science fiction fan, and I'm not seeing anything in the preview that gets me stoked for seeing this.  

You are not the only one. SF is my favorite genre and the film's teaser left me feeling rather lukewarm toward the picture. The eye candy looked impressive, but the hardware designs just look like the same old stuff that has appeared in countless Sci-Fi films. I did not see anything particularly groundbreaking in the teaser, either in story or appearance. I hope further trailers and clips will help me to change my mind, but at this point the film just looks like a typical Hollywood Sci-Fi action film.
post #1048 of 1466
i hope 1 day a SF wins best picture just like LOTR did for fantasy genre. not so much as the oscar itself, but more like the public's acceptance of SF. i feel like SF is still the bastard child of general public despite it having been around since late 1800s.

aaaanyways. i didn't watch the preview in 3-D, but i was very excited to get hyped and pumped up about it... but instead i got a: hunh? there have been many xbox, PC, ps3 video games w/similar if not better looking graphics already. my reaction was: u worked on the movie for 8-10+ years for THIS!?!??! lol.

but then again it's cameron. he hasn't really failed us yet, he's only directed a HANDFUL of movies! =P. i'm expecting the story/plot/acting to be fairly good. that stan winston is landing very good vehicle films like t3, avatar, clash of the titans, etc.
post #1049 of 1466
Unfortunately, an SF genre picture has about as much chance of winning a Best Picture Oscar as an animated film does which is to say....zero. Best pictures are not selected on the basis of actually being the best picture. IMO, they are selected based on a preset set of prejudices and criteria that include not being a "genre" picture and definitely not animated.
post #1050 of 1466
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The early Friday estimates have "The Final Destination" pulling in more than $11 million today, while "Halloween 2" managed somewhere in the neighborhood of $7 million.  I had thought H2 had a slight advantage between the two movies, boy was I wrong.  Based on these early figures, FD looks headed for a $25 million weekend, while H2 will finish a distant second with about $17 million.  "Inglorious Basterds" looks to have taken a 60% Friday-to-Friday hit.
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