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Blu Ray Title: Wanted
Disk Release Date: 2 December, 2008
Rated: R
Screen format: AVC Encoded 1080P High Definition, 2.35:1 Widedescreen
Studio: Universal
First theatrical release: 27 June, 2008
Previous releases on disk: Day and Date with Anamorphic Widescreen DVD
Director: Timur Bekmambetov
Starring: James McAvoy, Morgan Freeman, Angelina Jolie, Terrence Stamp, Thomas Kretshmann, Common
Sound Formats: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Length: 1 Hour, 50 Minutes
Subtitles: English, Spanish, French



Plot: 2/5
In Wanted, Wesley Gibson (McAvoy) is struggling with his boring life, one where everyone in it is or has taken advantage of him. His boss is a nightmare, his girlfriend is cheating on him with his best friend, and even his father walked out on him when he was just 7 days old. Wesley’s world is turned upside down when he is recruited by an agent of a secret fraternity of assassins and told that his father was one of the greatest killers of his lifetime but was gunned down himself just days before. The agent, Fox (Jolie), brings Wesley to meet Sloan (Freeman) the head of the fraternity and they convince Wesley to join, he has inherited his father’s gifts and even if he doesn’t use them, the killer, Cross (Kretshmann) will take down anyway. Wesley undergoes an intense and unusual training regimen, but prior to being given the go ahead to track down Cross he has to undertake a series of hits to test him out. These initial hits bring Wesley face to face with the reality of his new life and also introduces him to the backbone of the Fraternity, a series of looms which mysteriously generate the names of those who are targets. Oh, and I guess I forgot to mention that among Wesley’s powers are the ability to slow time and to curve the paths of bullets using only his mind.

Wanted is a terrific action film with great eye and ear candy. Where it fails is in the silliness of its general premise and the huge gap where any sense of moral quandary within Wesley should be. I can’t criticize it too badly as it is, after all ‘only’ a comic book adaptation (and the extras have some of the real comics brought to life through an interesting CG technology, and I found myself wishing they had completed THAT version of the film), and designed as a summer blockbuster, but the fact that these characters all seem perfectly at ease with taking killing orders from an unknown entity communicating via textiles didn’t really work for me.

Freeman of course is terrific and Jolie plays her part with uncharacteristic subtlety, but McAvoy seemed perfectly cast as the nebbish and thus I didn’t buy his transformation into an action hero.

Overall I’ve seen worse action films but I’m not in a huge rush to go out and play the video game or chomping at the bit for a sequel. If they go ahead and make that ‘motion comic’ into a feature film tho, give me a call!

Sound Quality: 4.5/5
Wanted is the very model of a major summer action film and the audio is first rate. While I’m surprised they didn’t spring for a 7.1 mix (ala Shoot em Up, a film that Wanted borrows from in many other respects) the 5.1 uncompressed DTS-HD does the job admirably and there are few films where bullets race around the room as well, and the car chase and other action sequences are likewise well done. Bass is solid but not really exceptional.

They even somehow got Danny Elfman to write the soundtrack, tho sadly the results are not as memorable as his best. Exceptions include “The Little Things” which is a lot more modern rock than what one would expect out of him, and “The Scheme”, “Rats” and “The Train” were pretty decent when listened to on their own but never given the room to breathe in the film itself.

Visual Quality: 4.5/5
Wanted is a very dark film but the blacks remain solid throughout with very subtle grain structure. It is moderately sharp and uses thin depth of field to good advantage in several instances, particularly in the CGI sequences which feature the action up front on top of out of focus planes to really add a nice sense of depth. The film uses earthy, dark tones throughout so colors never really get a chance to shine, however there are several detailed city scapes, explosions and sets which are simply jaw dropping in their detail. No complaints at all here, very solid and slick all around but not into the reference material level for me.

Extra Features: 4.5/5

Starting off there is a digital copy of the film on a second disk plus a number of U-Control features which will not go live until launch day, including ‘My Chat’. Other U-Control segments include the Motion Comic I have already mentioned plus a scene explorer which shows several segments from multiple tracks, including green-screen and story boards.

The bulk of the extras are in the traditional (and much appreciated!) menu selectable form! There is an extended version of one scene plus an entire opening sequence which was not used but is pretty cool. There are Assassin profiles for all of the fraternity members with interviews of the actors playing each part (beware of spoilers in these interviews!), there is an extended profile of how they made the bridges move since the train that Fox and Wesley run on top of was static, and two extensive and very well done looks at the practical and CGI effects within the film. Both are worth watching for sure. There are also interviews with the producers and with Mark Millar, creator of the Wanted Comic for Top Cow. Particularly interesting is Millar’s relating of the genesis of the story based on rumors his brothers told him. All told it’s a nice bunch of extras and I enjoyed many of them more than I did the film itself. At least the moral issues are considered here even if they aren’t touched on in the film (or the comic) itself.

Overall: 3.5/5 (not an average)

Once again slick styling, a hot leading lady, tons of effect work and a screaming soundtrack collide without really taking a satisfyingly original story along for the ride. The sad thing is that those complex issues are really well integrated into what little of the comic we get to see in this package and have been apparently jettisoned as unnecessary for summer fare. It’s a shame but not surprising.

Ultimately what drives the success of a film like this is not whether it disappoints those who are looking for a little substance to back up the style but whether it brings the goods in the action end of things and on that front there is little room for complaint. The bullets whiz, cars fly with ballet like precision and ultimately crash in satisfying thunks, and the bad guy gets confronted. In those terms Wanted is a success, and action fans will surely consider it worthy of at least a rental.

Worth noting is that this is Timur Bekmambetov’s first Hollywood vehicle, he is best known for the Russian films “Night Watch” and “Day Watch”, both of which I’ve got on order and should be seeing soon. It’s clear that he is a rising star and possessed of the drive and genius needed to make films the way he wants to make them, and this is a good first effort for him given this new level of show. He’s definitely a talent we should be hearing a lot more from.

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For me, this was the biggest guilty pleasure of the summer (well, let's not go into Speed Racer...) and I'm glad Universal is treating this well. Sounds like a great package! Thanks, Sam!
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Hey Sam, great review.

I'd like to ask if you know whether or not the video content is the same with this and the Collector's Edition? Is the only difference the packaging and additional print material (i.e. am I not going to miss out on video extras by only purchasing the standard BD)? I can't tell if this is a one or two disc BD...

Thanks!
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They don't send me the collector's edition but my experience has been that the standard edition disks are usually just packaged in with the goodies, standard sleeve case and all. I did see the CE at Amazon but didnt check it out, I'd start there!

Sam
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Thanks Sam, I'm checking around and the info is confusing. Amazon has the regular BD as a 1 discer (says No. of discs: 1) but Blu-ray.com says it's a 2-discer. Judging by the internet pics I've seen of the Collector's Edition it looks like there are 2 discs plus all the printed swag. It seems that sites are really confused over the specs of both sets.

Was the BD they sent you [which sounds like the regular BD release] a one or two discer? That I think will answer my question.
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1 BluRay disk, 1 DVD that seems to only have the portable file on it and nothing else. Those typically are locked till street date, an irritating reality...
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I'm pretty sure that I am going to buy this turd.

Can't help it.
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Blind buy for me tomorrow, looking very forward to watching it. As long as it delivers over the top action I'll be happy.
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Thanks for the review, Sam! this is one of the few summer flicks I made sure to get to this year. It was a lot of fun!

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
I'd like to ask if you know whether or not the video content is the same with this and the Collector's Edition? Is the only difference the packaging and additional print material (i.e. am I not going to miss out on video extras by only purchasing the standard BD)? I can't tell if this is a one or two disc BD...

Carlo: To answer your question, check out THIS THREAD which has all the details.

There are single-disc releases (both OAR & MAR). All the LE releases (SD & BD) have two discs. The Collector's Gift Sets have the following:

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The limited edition 2-disc versions and collector’s sets include a digital copy of the film. Perfect for holiday gift-giving, the deluxe collector’s set features collectible packaging pierced with a bullet, creating a shattering effect to the outer case. Fans will also enjoy the gift set’s photo book of assassins, collectible postcards and acrylic frame motion 3-D film cell.

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Thanks for that info Mike!

Sam
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Thanks for that info Mike!

No problem, Sam! It was all still fresh in my mind from when I was researching this week's RoundUp.

Whenever there is a situation like this where you've got six different concurrent new releases of one title, confusion is bound to abound!
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True, but the way I figure it that's 5 more different skus than normal that will eventually be put on closeout prices =)
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Well that second disc appears to be the same Digital Copy for both the BD and the CE. I was in Best Buy looking at the CE packaging and the sticker on it didn't tout any new video features, only the print swag, so I picked up the regular BD. Thanks for everyone's help!
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Saw this for the first time tonight on Blu, fantastic. The A/V is top notch and the film is one hell of a fun ride. Loved it.
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Wanted has gotten a stunning transfer and the audio wasn't too shabby either - well done Universal

The plot is let's say something of an acquired taste, but that transfer was so good that I consider to watch it again, it simply looks that good.
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Saw this for the first time tonight on Blu, fantastic. The A/V is top notch and the film is one hell of a fun ride. Loved it.

Agreed. Anyone that doesn't give this puppy 5 star audio score has a messed up sound system. (Sam?)
The train scene is my new favorite demo material.
I actually wouldn't score PQ as high as AQ. I thought some scenes looked soft compared to others. Check out the opening pharmacy scenes compared to shots of Sloan later on.
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I noticed that soft scenes as well. I'm guessing that had to due when and how those shots were filmed, not with the transfer itself. But yes, the audio is 5 star in my book, simply amazing.
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Agreed. Anyone that doesn't give this puppy 5 star audio score has a messed up sound system. (Sam?)
The train scene is my new favorite demo material.
I actually wouldn't score PQ as high as AQ. I thought some scenes looked soft compared to others. Check out the opening pharmacy scenes compared to shots of Sloan later on.

Wow. Quite a cocky comment I would say. I would not give this audio track 5 stars. 4.5/5 would be my vote. While the entire track is very solid and there is nothing to complain about, I did not think any aspect of the sound was realy standout either. I can think of atleast 20 scenes from various movies that I would throw on to demo before the "train scene".

And before you claim I have a messed up sound system......Dual PB13's and a 12/2 Ultra eq'd with a SMS-1 in a fully enclosed 12 x 17.5 room. 7.1 JBL setup with dual buttkickers attached to a mini riser which my couch sits on. Calibrated with AVIA. Room treated with bass traps and first reflection traps.....etc......Is this sound system "messed up"? Or maybe it is that we all hear things a bit dif and what impresses the hell out of you does not neccessarily impress me as much and the other way around.

What is it exactly that you like so much about the audio that demands a 5 star rating "in your opinion"? I think Sams review is right on. Bass in particular is very solid, but nothing exceptional. I have heard much more powefull and detailed bass than this movie.
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Hmmm. I wonder who's being "cocky?!?"

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Hmmm. I wonder who's being "cocky?!?"


Maybe I came across a bit rough as well, but I cant stand comments like "anybody who doesnt rate this puppy 5 stars has a messed up sound system". WTF is that? Just because we dont all think this is a 5 star audio presentation does not mean we have equip issues. Everyone hears things dif and we all are more impressed with certain aspects of sound compared to others. We all have dif opinions which is ok and just because we dont agree with each other does not mean we have euip issues. That is ridiculous. Just because some people dont agree with the tracks that I hold as reference material does not mean they have a messed up sound system, you know?
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Gotcha, Todd.

I think (although a smiley was absent) that Jason was ribbing Sam with the "messed-up system" remark.

I think it would be quite a can of worms to start trying to define the differences between a 4.5/5 and a 5/5 subjective rating for SQ on a BD release. To me ( a guy with a very modest HT set-up), to read 2+ HTF members (and the reviewer) give such high grades simply means the SQ is something I have to look forward-to when I get my chance to spin-up this disc!
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Wow. Quite a cocky comment I would say. I would not give this audio track 5 stars. 4.5/5 would be my vote. While the entire track is very solid and there is nothing to complain about, I did not think any aspect of the sound was realy standout either. I can think of atleast 20 scenes from various movies that I would throw on to demo before the "train scene".

And before you claim I have a messed up sound system......Dual PB13's and a 12/2 Ultra eq'd with a SMS-1 in a fully enclosed 12 x 17.5 room. 7.1 JBL setup with dual buttkickers attached to a mini riser which my couch sits on. Calibrated with AVIA. Room treated with bass traps and first reflection traps.....etc......Is this sound system "messed up"? Or maybe it is that we all hear things a bit dif and what impresses the hell out of you does not neccessarily impress me as much and the other way around.

What is it exactly that you like so much about the audio that demands a 5 star rating "in your opinion"? I think Sams review is right on. Bass in particular is very solid, but nothing exceptional. I have heard much more powefull and detailed bass than this movie.


No need to get hot and bothered - I was merely having fun with my "messed up sound system" comment. And I hope that Sam gets that without including a .
Look, we all know measuring a picture's sound quality or picture quality is highly subjective. What sounds awesome in my home may just sound okay to you in yours. I get that and I respect that. By the looks of it, you have a kick-ass system and you have a right to judge this picture's aural qualities any way you see fit. Perhaps I haven't seen or heard the 20 film scenes that you feel are better. And by the way, I didn't say it was the best sounding film of all time.
But I do stand by my reference comment. I thought the overall presentation was dynamic and hit all the ranges. And my sound system isn't half of what yours is. I can only imagine what my opinion would be if I heard it in your room.
I don't know - maybe I'm just easier to please?
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Gotcha, Todd.

I think (although a smiley was absent) that Jason was ribbing Sam with the "messed-up system" remark.

I think it would be quite a can of worms to start trying to define the differences between a 4.5/5 and a 5/5 subjective rating for SQ on a BD release. To me ( a guy with a very modest HT set-up), to read 2+ HTF members (and the reviewer) give such high grades simply means the SQ is something I have to look forward-to when I get my chance to spin-up this disc!

Thank you Mike. It's nice to know someone can take a tongue-in-cheek comment without having those darn smiley faces everywhere.
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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Gotcha, Todd.

I think (although a smiley was absent) that Jason was ribbing Sam with the "messed-up system" remark.

I think it would be quite a can of worms to start trying to define the differences between a 4.5/5 and a 5/5 subjective rating for SQ on a BD release. To me ( a guy with a very modest HT set-up), to read 2+ HTF members (and the reviewer) give such high grades simply means the SQ is something I have to look forward-to when I get my chance to spin-up this disc!


I did not perceive his comment that way, but maybe you are right.

The dif between a 4.5 track and a 5 track is noticable IMO. 5 star tracks IMO would be TIH, HB2, Cloverfield, Transformers, Kung Fu Panda to name a few and Wanted is clearly not on that level to my ears. Still a very good track no doubt, but 4.5 tracks are clearly in a dif class compared to reference 5 star tracks IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Southpaw
No need to get hot and bothered - I was merely having fun with my "messed up sound system" comment. And I hope that Sam gets that without including a .
Look, we all know measuring a picture's sound quality or picture quality is highly subjective. What sounds awesome in my home may just sound okay to you in yours. I get that and I respect that. By the looks of it, you have a kick-ass system and you have a right to judge this picture's aural qualities any way you see fit. Perhaps I haven't seen or heard the 20 film scenes that you feel are better. And by the way, I didn't say it was the best sounding film of all time.
But I do stand by my reference comment. I thought the overall presentation was dynamic and hit all the ranges. And my sound system isn't half of what yours is. I can only imagine what my opinion would be if I heard it in your room.
I don't know - maybe I'm just easier to please?


Then I am sorry. I took your comment the wrong way.
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Then I am sorry. I took your comment the wrong way.

No problem, it happens when you just read words and not know the tone in which I was saying them.
I'm still interested to know some of the 20 scenes that you believe are better than the train scene in Wanted. If I have never seen/heard them, I'd like to take a look.
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No problem, it happens when you just read words and not know the tone in which I was saying them.
I'm still interested to know some of the 20 scenes that you believe are better than the train scene in Wanted. If I have never seen/heard them, I'd like to take a look.


Thanks

Some scenes that I would put on as demo material before that train scene (which I think is still very good) are the highway chase scene (Matrix Reloaded), lobby shootout (Matrix), the desert atack scene with the scorpion transformer (Transformers) Iron Hide flip till the end of the movie action wise (Transformers), The Elemental scene (hellboy 2) the entire ending battle (hellboy 2) and the opening ferrie scene (hellboy 2), the last battle with the dragon (Beowulf) King Kong (T-Rex fight) The last battle (Iron Man) the whole scene right before Iron Man is fighting with the jets (but including that part as well, Campus scene (Incredible Hulk) end battle (Incredible Hulk) Escape scene (Kung Fu Panda) scene right before they go into the subway (Cloverfield) Helicopter crash sequence (Cloverfield) End of Matrix Revolutions, jet/semi scene (Live Free or Die Hard) Tunnel Chase sequence (I, Robot)

These are most of the ones that come to mind. Again though, just my opinion and I am sure some will disagree with my choices
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I've got a thick skin, don't worry about hurting my feelings. HTF prides itself on being a FRIENDLY place tho, just try to keep that in mind especially in the banter between other posters. You can rip my reviews to shreds but be nice to each other. =)

Remember that my scores are for 'the whole package'. You can have the greatest sound mix in the world but if what is getting mixed together isn't up to snuff then what good is it? Wanted missed perfection on at least two seperate things for me. The mix wanted (heh) to be as immersive as something like Shoot Em Up but fell a little short of it for me. And the score wasn't really all that engaging either. I noted the tracks that I thought worked and the rest of them kinda fell into the background for me. If you want to take a listen to all the tracks, Amazon has free previews of the whole CD and you can listen for yourself.

Scores are subjective tho, and your scores and my scores are likely to never match up 100%, and that's expected and OK! That's what makes the HTF Review Crew so great, in my opinion anyway. We have a whole team of folks all of whom give solid dependable reviews and each person brings different strengths to what they type up.
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Not to derail this thread even further, but that's a pretty good list of demo scenes if all you care about is the surround effect =) Remember there's usually 90+ minutes left in the rest of the movie too. =) Disney/Pixar really gets that right in a lot of ways, if you want to see what I'm talking about watch the first 10 minutes of Tarzan in a well set up room.

Oh, and you didn't list my favorite surround/bass scene of all time, that's when Jean Grey blows up the house in Xmen somethingorother. I thought my house was going to blow up watching that scene.
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Not to derail this thread even further, but that's a pretty good list of demo scenes if all you care about is the surround effect =) Remember there's usually 90+ minutes left in the rest of the movie too. =) Disney/Pixar really gets that right in a lot of ways, if you want to see what I'm talking about watch the first 10 minutes of Tarzan in a well set up room.

Oh, and you didn't list my favorite surround/bass scene of all time, that's when Jean Grey blows up the house in Xmen somethingorother. I thought my house was going to blow up watching that scene.

Or better yet (than Tarzan IMO) what about the King in this area (IMO) M @ C......

Sure, but for a quick 5-10 minute demo I have found that people want to be pummeled over the head with audio! Also, we were comparing demo scenes to the train scene in wanted which falls in this same category. Getting out of my list, I would also put some of the more quiet parts inside the ship from Master and Commander as some of the best ambience type effects as you truly feel as if you are in the ship and the more quiet scenes in KFP are just full of detail and life and is truly impressive. Immersive is the right word and again Wanted was very good in this area, but could not hang with the likes of KFP, M @ C, etc.....in this area and both of these titles I would consider Reference in this particular area.

GOOD CALL on the X-Men scene, and I agree 100% on that one as I forgot about it. First time I saw that was shocking! I assume you are talking about in X-Men 3 where she lifts the house off the ground? Truly gives the sensation of a house being torn from its foundation and is extremely impressive!

Like I said, my list is just that, my list As you guys could probably tell, my list is heavily influenced by movies with BIG LFE and top notch surround activity as that is what does it for me so to speak and what impresses me the most. I realy did not feel Wanted was a standout in either of these categories compared to some of my favorites, but again I still thought it was VERY good even if nothing in it would go on "the list" so to speak
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