Re: The Dark Knight changing Aspect Ratio feels like a Joke
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Originally Posted by Dave H
I find it ironic some always state they want director's intent until it's something they don't prefer.
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Quoted for fucking truth.
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Originally Posted by Dave H
I find it ironic some always state they want director's intent until it's something they don't prefer.
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Originally Posted by Dave H
I find it ironic some always state they want director's intent until it's something they don't prefer.
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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
Nolan's alleged insistence that the BD of TDK contain only his "preferred" version is just the action of a spoiled Prima Donna, not a professional.
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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
Okay, I think I'm done with this pathetic nonsense now.
Enjoy the disc or not, probably not, I no longer give a damn. |
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Originally Posted by Todd smith
Good call. Its hopeless!
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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
Both versions of TDK are his film and he should have had the professionalism to realize that and ensure that both OARs were available on the BD. He should have had enough recognition of the individuality of his audience to let them make up their own minds on which one they prefer to watch, not try to force every audience member into conforming with his wishes.
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Originally Posted by Robert George
Some of you guys are so dense we could call this the black hole forum.
"The gravitational field is so strong even reason and common sense can't escape." |
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Originally Posted by Robert George
Thanks for proving my point.
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Originally Posted by Stephen_J_H
I can't believe this has gone on for nearly 10 pages.
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Originally Posted by Todd smith
And thank YOU for proving mine
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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
This matter has definitely gone into the realm of philosophy whether y'all want to admit it or not.
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Originally Posted by Craig Beam
It's his film, not his audience's. The variable-AOR presentation found on the Blu-ray is how he wants the film to be experienced in a home environment. Period, end of story. He's hardly "unprofessional" for doing what he wants with his movie, and he's under no obligation to pander to his audience's preferences. He's the artist, and thank God that the artist had the final say in the matter. In Hollywood, that's typically NOT the case.
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Originally Posted by Todd smith
You think this is bad, check out the AVS "Dark Knight PQ issues" thread. Talk about ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
FWIW, I consider Nolan's decision to be creatively pragmatic given the constraints of the conventional 16x9 AR for BD.
If you think about it, the 2.35:1 version in non-IMAX theaters is a more MAR'd version than the BD version. Nolan is trying to give BD owners more of TDK then was seen by conventional theater-goers, and he's getting raked over the coals for the decision. If it bothers "you" that much, just throw up some mattes on your TV when you play the TDK BD, or smaller mattes on your projector if it's pragmatic for you. I don't think the BD market is large enough to support a 2.35:1-only version, and a modified Imax version, plus it would be confusing for consumers and retailers alike if 2 versions were available now. Could Warners and company have tried using seamless branching to fit both versions on one 50GB BD? Perhaps, but not only would you be diminishing video quality overall (20 extra minutes added to a running time of 154 minutes would impact video quality), it would be a production fraught with peril if it caused stuff not to work (BD-Live, IME, commentaries, etc), and a black eye on a high-profile BD release such as TDK is not something the BD industry needs right now. |
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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
FWIW, I consider Nolan's decision to be creatively pragmatic given the constraints of the conventional 16x9 AR for BD.
If you think about it, the 2.35:1 version in non-IMAX theaters is a more MAR'd version than the BD version. Nolan is trying to give BD owners more of TDK then was seen by conventional theater-goers, and he's getting raked over the coals for the decision. If it bothers "you" that much, just throw up some mattes on your TV when you play the TDK BD, or smaller mattes on your projector if it's pragmatic for you. I don't think the BD market is large enough to support a 2.35:1-only version, and a modified Imax version, plus it would be confusing for consumers and retailers alike if 2 versions were available now. Could Warners and company have tried using seamless branching to fit both versions on one 50GB BD? Perhaps, but not only would you be diminishing video quality overall (20 extra minutes added to a running time of 154 minutes would impact video quality), it would be a production fraught with peril if it caused stuff not to work (BD-Live, IME, commentaries, etc), and a black eye on a high-profile BD release such as TDK is not something the BD industry needs right now. |
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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
I don't think the BD market is large enough to support a 2.35:1-only version, and a modified Imax version, plus it would be confusing for consumers and retailers alike if 2 versions were available now.
Could Warners and company have tried using seamless branching to fit both versions on one 50GB BD? Perhaps, but not only would you be diminishing video quality overall (20 extra minutes added to a running time of 154 minutes would impact video quality), it would be a production fraught with peril if it caused stuff not to work (BD-Live, IME, commentaries, etc), and a black eye on a high-profile BD release such as TDK is not something the BD industry needs right now. |
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Originally Posted by frankie108
I will not buy the product no matter how much I appreciate the film.
Two examples come to mind: Ridley Scott's DVD director's cut of Blade Runner and Michael Mann's expanded edition of Last of the Mohicans. |
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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
If it bothers "you" that much, just throw up some mattes on your TV when you play the TDK BD, or smaller mattes on your projector if it's pragmatic for you. |
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Originally Posted by Vincent_P
To be fair, Xylon's screen caps thread shows some pretty obvious EE on THE DARK KNIGHT, and even many of the pro-reviews have mentioned EE. A couple of the screen-shots look pretty bad, and while I'm not one to rely entirely on screen-shots, I don't see why THE DARK KNIGHT on Blu-ray should have any added EE, and like I said even many of the pro-DARK KNIGHT BD reviews have mentioned that it's present.
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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
I think these two paragraphs merit quoting for emphasis, for they are excellent points.
I would *not* want to risk 174 minutes on a single BD, especially given how much more on-screen action there is compared to say The Godfather, which has a lot of static shots and can use lower compression rates for those scenes. Give me the best PQ/AQ possible. And yes, to release two versions would be confusing to a developing market. In fact, one could argue it would be confusing to an established market, which is probably why there aren't two versions available on DVD. |
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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Others have stated in this thread that the alleged edge enhancement was visible in the theatrical release and is likely the result of filtration used on the cameras.
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| Originally Posted by Carlo Medina I think these two paragraphs merit quoting for emphasis, for they are excellent points. I would *not* want to risk 174 minutes on a single BD, especially given how much more on-screen action there is compared to say The Godfather, which has a lot of static shots and can use lower compression rates for those scenes. Give me the best PQ/AQ possible. And yes, to release two versions would be confusing to a developing market. In fact, one could argue it would be confusing to an established market, which is probably why there aren't two versions available on DVD. |
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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
I have to disagree with this. The director's cut of Troy at 196 min on HD-DVD looks spectacular and includes lossless audio. That is with 20 gigs less space and somewhat less bandwidth to work with. There is no reason that an extra 20 min couldn't have been included on Dark Knight.
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