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post #31 of 57
11/17/08 at 6:29pm

Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by PaulDA
I have to disagree here (though I understand we all have our preferences). I LOVE that it is bluetooth (makes it much more flexible for me in terms of placement of the unit--and I wish it were so for a lot of my other gear).


Well I suppose it has a lot to do with what I'm used to. I'm not used to having to be careful about not bumping a button on the remote no matter what direction it is pointing in, or even if it is in the same room.

Doug
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post #32 of 57
11/17/08 at 7:10pm

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^ Well, there's one little advantage for the IR to BT converter as the PS3 remote. You still have to point the remote at the IR receiver (for Doug), yet the PS3 can be anywhere within BT range (for Paul). Plus you get to use your own backlit remote that *hopefully* has buttons a lot better designed/arranged than Sony's BT remote.
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post #33 of 57
11/17/08 at 7:44pm

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My DVD player not only remembers where I've left off when pressing STOP, but it remembers where I was even when I shut the machine down and come back to it the next day. This is really good for when I am watching tv series on disc. Sometimes it even remembers where I was if I eject the disc and put it back in within a day or two.

My PS3 is an idiot by comparison.
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post #34 of 57
11/17/08 at 7:56pm

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^ Not for playing DVDs, to make a fair comparison... The PS3 seems to have a virtually unlimited memory for number of DVDs re remembering where you left off on a disc. It's for many current BDs that there's a problem.
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post #35 of 57
11/17/08 at 8:34pm

Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by CraigF
^ Well, there's one little advantage for the IR to BT converter as the PS3 remote. You still have to point the remote at the IR receiver (for Doug), yet the PS3 can be anywhere within BT range (for Paul). Plus you get to use your own backlit remote that *hopefully* has buttons a lot better designed/arranged than Sony's BT remote.

I actually have the Nyko remote, and it doesn't work and play well with my Harmony. Also It frequently seems to "loose its connection" and the USB plug in has to be removed and reseated to get it to work again.

Doug
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post #36 of 57
11/17/08 at 10:38pm

Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by CraigF
^ Well, there's one little advantage for the IR to BT converter as the PS3 remote. You still have to point the remote at the IR receiver (for Doug), yet the PS3 can be anywhere within BT range (for Paul). Plus you get to use your own backlit remote that *hopefully* has buttons a lot better designed/arranged than Sony's BT remote.

Yeah, though I'm not too keen on spending the $ just yet, if one can even buy one right now, plus I don't have a Harmony remote anyway. If I ever go that route, I'll probably try borrowing my sister's cheapy Harmony 550(?) to teach all the commands to my Universal Remote RF20.

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^ Not for playing DVDs, to make a fair comparison... The PS3 seems to have a virtually unlimited memory for number of DVDs re remembering where you left off on a disc. It's for many current BDs that there's a problem.

Yep. It's only a problem w/ BD-J enabled BDs. Some BDs do not use BD-J, so they do not present this problem for most(?) BD players. However, one would think a large majority of new/future releases will be moving toward BD-J and will have this problem.

_Man_
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post #37 of 57
11/17/08 at 10:48pm

Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
I have to say I'm not thrilled with the remote being bluetooth either. If you just bump one of the buttons, it will change something on the PS3 even if its not pointed at the damn thing. An IR remote isn't so touchy. I can't tell you how many times my dog has stepped on the remote and turned it on or stopped the play back.

Doug
I personally love the fact that the PS3 remote is bluetooth and wish all A/V equipment came with bluetooth remotes.
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post #38 of 57
12/15/08 at 7:40am
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Since I started this thread to complain about the new stop "feature" of BD discs, I thought I'd add one more. I was watching my rental of "The Simpsons" movie and turned on a commentary. Up comes up with a message indicating that turning the commentary on or off resets the movie back to the beginning.

Do they have design meetings in which they decide how to screw up a product? I can just hear the project manager saying "Oh, that's a good one, that will really piss them off. Good idea."

BTW, the movie's hilarious.
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post #39 of 57
12/15/08 at 11:47am

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That's interesting, I didn't know that. Haven't listened to the commentary tracks at all on the film and I've had the BD for a while now.
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post #40 of 57
12/15/08 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
That's interesting, I didn't know that. Haven't listened to the commentary tracks at all on the film and I've had the BD for a while now.
I'm not saying it's that way for every BD, just the Simpsons Movie, at least that's the only time I've received that message.
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post #41 of 57
12/15/08 at 6:01pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
Since I started this thread to complain about the new stop "feature" of BD discs, I thought I'd add one more. I was watching my rental of "The Simpsons" movie and turned on a commentary. Up comes up with a message indicating that turning the commentary on or off resets the movie back to the beginning.

Do they have design meetings in which they decide how to screw up a product? I can just hear the project manager saying "Oh, that's a good one, that will really piss them off. Good idea."

It's probably just a matter of how they authored it w/ BD-J.

Anyway, I worked around my stop button problem (for the most part) by finally going w/ the Nyko Blu Wave IR dongle for my PS3 (and integrating into my universal remote). No more frequent accidents w/ hitting the stop button (on my PS3 remote) though I can't power on/off this way -- well, I guess I can use the PS3's menu system to power off if I ever update the software again, but it's no big deal for now as I need to manually turn on/off my power amp anyway (not to mention swap discs most times).

Of course, now that I'm using that IR-to-USB solution, I won't be able to change the audio track, etc. w/ single remote button presses anymore (not that I liked doing that anyway). Warner's default to auto-start the movie immediately w/ the lossy track still annoys me as a result, but oh well...

_Man_
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post #42 of 57
12/15/08 at 6:08pm

Re: The Stop Button

Re: The Simpsons Movie commentary. I believe it has some interactive elements to it, such as "pausing" the film, so it's actually a fully separate encode of the film, which is why it can't be changed on the fly.
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post #43 of 57
12/15/08 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Re: The Simpsons Movie commentary. I believe it has some interactive elements to it, such as "pausing" the film, so it's actually a fully separate encode of the film, which is why it can't be changed on the fly.
Yeah, I noticed the commentators would ask for the film to pause, it would go to b&w, and they'd keep talking and eventually the film would resume and go color again. But you are saying this is a totally separate copy of the film? There's one copy without commentary and another separate copy with the commentary?
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post #44 of 57
12/16/08 at 10:31am

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On the chance people who author BluRays may be reading this, I'd like to add that it is unacceptable that pressing the FF or Skip Ahead button does not work when the lawyer notices play. Seen them once, seen them all -- there's no reason why people would want to ever read them again. They should either be skippable, or, put them on the packaging instead. Or put them AFTER the end credits.
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post #45 of 57
12/16/08 at 11:22am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
Yeah, I noticed the commentators would ask for the film to pause, it would go to b&w, and they'd keep talking and eventually the film would resume and go color again. But you are saying this is a totally separate copy of the film? There's one copy without commentary and another separate copy with the commentary?
Yep. Two separate encodes.
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post #46 of 57
12/16/08 at 11:33am

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This of Course is only written about in a forum like this,I never heard
a thing about this problem in a Hi Fi Mag
What makes things seem worst is the last dvd player I got (a Pioneer)
let me pause a movie halfway,then I could take the DVD out of the Player
and they when I put it back in,it goes to the spot where I paused the
film,
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post #47 of 57
12/16/08 at 1:18pm

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Originally Posted by Peter Neski
This of Course is only written about in a forum like this,I never heard
a thing about this problem in a Hi Fi Mag
What makes things seem worst is the last dvd player I got (a Pioneer)
let me pause a movie halfway,then I could take the DVD out of the Player
and they when I put it back in,it goes to the spot where I paused the
film,

Hmmm... I haven't noticed w/ my non-BD-J BDs, but I do notice that the PS3 can still do what you want for DVDs though.

_Man_
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post #48 of 57
12/16/08 at 1:29pm

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Originally Posted by Will_B
On the chance people who author BluRays may be reading this, I'd like to add that it is unacceptable that pressing the FF or Skip Ahead button does not work when the lawyer notices play. Seen them once, seen them all -- there's no reason why people would want to ever read them again. They should either be skippable, or, put them on the packaging instead. Or put them AFTER the end credits.

Agreed, though most studios don't usually disable that AFAIK.

And putting them after the end credits might not be good enough for a TV series title like Firefly, especially when they run the entire series of different international notices (in all different languages). It's quite annoying to have to skip thru a ton of those notices that I cannot read, even if I cared to, when I want to watch more than just one episode on the disc (and have to do it for every episode). I generally just pop out to the main menu during the end credits in order to avoid that nuisance, but sometimes, I forget. I guess this is minor enough though.

_Man_
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post #49 of 57
12/17/08 at 12:19am

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Man-Fai I probably wouldn't mind so much about all the forced B.S. at the start, except that the Playstation 3 "STOP" button is located exactly where it is easy to accidentally press when you intend to press pause or play.

So if I'm watching, say, Lost, and accidentally press STOP instead of pause, I have to restart the disc, which means it plays the Buena Vista Home Entertainment theme song (which is always louder than the show itself), then it plays those boring-as-heck notices for/by lawyers, the FBI-cares-about-corporations message, and then it loads the java menu, then it lets me get to the episode menu, then I can start playing back...

...all the while, the other people on the couch are laughing at this so-called superior technology. It's literally a 3 minute delay if I hit the damn Stop button by mistake.

Maybe someone will make a PS3 remote control with a better button layout...
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post #50 of 57
12/17/08 at 7:05am
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Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by Will_B
Maybe someone will make a PS3 remote control with a better button layout...
Can you use a universal remote like the Logitech 880 with the PS3?
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post #51 of 57
12/17/08 at 7:17am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
Can you use a universal remote like the Logitech 880 with the PS3?
The Nyko Blu-Wave should do it. It's more or less a USB dongle that lets IR remotes like Logitech/Harmony control the PS3.

It was on sale at Amazon for $7 in November, but I don't know if it still is.
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post #52 of 57
12/18/08 at 11:21pm

Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by Will_B
Man-Fai I probably wouldn't mind so much about all the forced B.S. at the start, except that the Playstation 3 "STOP" button is located exactly where it is easy to accidentally press when you intend to press pause or play.

...

Maybe someone will make a PS3 remote control with a better button layout...

Will, as I mentioned earlier, that issue was what finally pushed me to get the relatively inexpensive Nyko Blu-wave solution (that Jesse also just mentioned) for IR-to-USB dongle to work w/ my universal remote (URC RF20) -- well, that plus a timely BF price slash on the thing made it a no-brainer for me. Now, I don't have to worry about accidentally hitting the stop button, instead of play or pause.

_Man_
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post #53 of 57
12/19/08 at 12:48am

Re: The Stop Button

It's something I will consider, though I've read that there's a power button problem...something about Sony's confused method of shutting down the PS3 not being easy to program into other remotes. Did you get a power button solution working on your URCRF20?

I posted a review of the PS3 remote on Amazon with suggestions for Sony on how to improve its next iteration (move the stop button, change the black-on-black color scheme, add a simple power button).

Until then I might just glue a piece of sandpaper on the stop button so I'll recognize it as evil.
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post #54 of 57
12/19/08 at 9:38am

Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Yep. Two separate encodes.
Sure it's not like seamless branching on DVD, where the different "versions" show up as separate titles?

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Originally Posted by Will_B
It's something I will consider, though I've read that there's a power button problem...something about Sony's confused method of shutting down the PS3 not being easy to program into other remotes.
This shouldn't be a problem now that firmware updates have added an on-screen shut down command in the menus.
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post #55 of 57
12/19/08 at 8:01pm

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Originally Posted by Arild
Sure it's not like seamless branching on DVD, where the different "versions" show up as separate titles?
I guess that's still possible. In any case, both encoding methods would cause the commentary to be restarted from the beginning when selected.
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post #56 of 57
12/20/08 at 10:14am

Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by Will_B
It's something I will consider, though I've read that there's a power button problem...something about Sony's confused method of shutting down the PS3 not being easy to program into other remotes. Did you get a power button solution working on your URCRF20?

I posted a review of the PS3 remote on Amazon with suggestions for Sony on how to improve its next iteration (move the stop button, change the black-on-black color scheme, add a simple power button).

Until then I might just glue a piece of sandpaper on the stop button so I'll recognize it as evil.


Actually the problem with the power, is that the USB dongle has to be getting power from the PS3 in order for the remote to work. And it can't get power until the PS3 is turned on. So you can't turn on the PS3 with a USB dongle remote. You can however turn off the PS3 by using the menu and selecting "shut of system".

Doug
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post #57 of 57
12/20/08 at 3:29pm

Re: The Stop Button

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Actually the problem with the power, is that the USB dongle has to be getting power from the PS3 in order for the remote to work.

D'oh! That makes sense.
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