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post #31 of 55
11/23/08 at 7:49pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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Originally Posted by Joe_H
I thought this was pretty good, though its much easier to impress for two hours than for a whole season of TV.

One thing that surprised me in a good way is how little action there really is. I sort of expected it to be all action the whole time. The fact that they didn't and still pulled it off raises my hopes some for the show, since obviously they can't have all action for 24 straight hours either.

It still felt like a TV show rather than a movie, which is fine with me anyway. It was good , but not amazing or anything. Hopefully they'll only improve when the show comes on.
I had almost the same impressions. For a 90 minute story that needed to be mostly self contained (at least in terms of 24), I thoroughly enjoyed myself.

I thought Robert Carlyle was in S7 so I was surprised that his character died. I liked the change of pace of having his death off screen.

For me, Powers Boothe's and Peter MacNicol's work was some of the best things about S6 so I was happy to see their characters one last time.

I'm definitely looking forward to S7 on January 11!
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post #32 of 55
11/23/08 at 8:14pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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I thought Robert Carlyle was in S7 so I was surprised that his character died.

No one in 24 is dead until they are abosolutely dead as in we actually see them shot though the head or buried in the ground or some other situation where it is clear they could not possibly have survived.

It was a good comeback for 24. However, there were some instances where I was pulled out because of the ABSOLUTELY SHAMELESS product placement. I don't mind if I see a character drinking a coke or something. But when they have 5 second closeup shots of a Nextel cell phone or the Hyundai Genesis, it's just insulting.

Oh and since I know practically nothing about Photoshop, can someone please take the scene with the rebel torturing Jack, saying "Where are the Children?!" and replace his head with Michael Jackson's? I know someone here could do that in 5 minutes.

Oh yeah, and how badass was it that Jack iced that guy using only one leg? Still it was a little disturbing seeing him act like a pussy, even if it was just a fakeout
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post #33 of 55
11/23/08 at 8:56pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

One thing that does worry me a bit is Brannon Braga's name in the opening credits as a co-executive producer. I hope he's just doing management rather than actually involved in the writing room; you'd think showrunner Manny Coto would know what a bad idea that is after having worked on Enterprise.

Pretty good for what it was, though, and it was nice to see Jack dealing with something a little heftier than generic terrorists.
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post #34 of 55
11/23/08 at 9:14pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

Mmm... Carly Pope.
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post #35 of 55
11/24/08 at 2:19am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
Mmm... Carly Pope.

Agreed.
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post #36 of 55
11/24/08 at 6:32am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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Originally Posted by Raasean Asaad
Any season is better than the one that contains "Magical" Marwan

Yes! I used to call him Mandrake the Magician or something, that season.
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post #37 of 55
11/24/08 at 6:36am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

I wonder when the script was settled (for the female Pres).

I suppose since there has already been a black President in 24 land, the Hillary run for office offered good ideas for the script writers.

As for the 2 hours, as a TV program it was atrociously hacked up by commercials in the last hour or so. I will only be able to watch further episodes if I can tape them, and speed through the wretched excess of ads.
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post #38 of 55
11/24/08 at 7:28am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

Loved it. It's a good "two hours" out of something that happens days before the "24" hour period. It's a great way to have a setup and then deliver. I've always thought something like this should happen; to break apart the 24 hours and have it 24 realtime hours, but not necessarily continuous (the six hours that mattered here in real time, a five hour plane flight we don't need to see, the next six, etc.)

But I think the whole setup of an African coup and some US people who are profiteering.. interesting. I'm in.
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post #39 of 55
11/24/08 at 7:48am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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Originally Posted by John Watson
Yes! I used to call him Mandrake the Magician or something, that season.
Having Marwan escape all the time stretched credibility but in my opinion, it was well worth it because then there was one person who was behind all the terrorist plots and one main villain for about 3/4 of the season. Having one bad guy gave the season a fairly continuous flow and was better than having one bad guy for about half the year and then they find out about the bad guy's really bad boss.

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I wonder when the script was settled (for the female Pres).
She's in S7 and they started shooting those episodes in late summer/early fall of 2007 (before the writers' strike delayed them). Someone with a better memory of current events might be able to say whether Clinton was a real contender at that time or if she was just one of a number of people that were aiming for the Democratic nomination. My guess is that the writers had Hillary Clinton in mind to some degree but when they decided on having a female President, they were just looking for a different type of President for the series.
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post #40 of 55
11/24/08 at 10:23am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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Originally Posted by Joe_H
It still felt like a TV show rather than a movie, which is fine with me anyway. It was good , but not amazing or anything. Hopefully they'll only improve when the show comes on.
It did not feel like a movie at all to me. It was just the introduction to the new season. I posted the following over at the 24 S7 thread:

I thought it was a good bridging episode to show that Jack has been away for a long time dodging a subpoena. It also nicely is setting up events of season 7. A lot of the deaths in the episode were quite predictable, but it was still exciting. It seemed that Jonas Hodges (Jon Voight's character) took a big risk in killing Chris. I'd think the President's son (Roger) might be a bit suspicious, especially not being able to find the body. I think something drug related that would completely discredit him would have been better. Now Hodges' men want to keep an eye on Roger. Now what are they going to do with him? That is quite dangerous. Just what are Hodges' motives in this whole thing anyway? I am looking forward to the season start in January.

As far as Ron's comment:
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None of the other LA CTU characters (such as Chloe) have returned for this episode. The entire cast was supposedly revamped (as was the new Washington locale), though it is rumored that Chloe will eventually be back.
In the previews for the new season seen at the end of the episode Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
we did see some White House goings on and Chloe in action. I can't remember just what she said, but I think someone asked her whether she was working for the FBI and she said she was a private citizen or something. Wish I could remember her line. Best line of the preview was one thing that Jack said to Tony. I wonder how they are going to explain his return.
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post #41 of 55
11/24/08 at 10:28am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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Originally Posted by mattCR
Loved it. It's a good "two hours" out of something that happens days before the "24" hour period. It's a great way to have a setup and then deliver. I've always thought something like this should happen; to break apart the 24 hours and have it 24 realtime hours, but not necessarily continuous (the six hours that mattered here in real time, a five hour plane flight we don't need to see, the next six, etc.)
I think at one time after the first or second season they were considering having three 8-hour segments in a season.
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post #42 of 55
11/24/08 at 12:55pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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Someone with a better memory of current events might be able to say whether Clinton was a real contender at that time or if she was just one of a number of people that were aiming for the Democratic nomination.
Senator Clinton was considered the Democratic front-runner pretty much from the day after the 2004 election up until the 2008 Iowa caucases. In the time period you mention, she was way out in front in the polls, and many "experts" felt she had a lock on the nomination. So yeah, I think it's fair to surmise that she may have been on the writers' minds when they conceived the character of President Taylor.

FWIW, I thought "Redemption" was really well done. Some good action set pieces, nice work from the actors (I especially enjoyed Robert Carlisle's character - wish he could have hung around for the rest of the season), good setup of the new President and Jon Voight's villain. Most importantly, it almost completely avoided the soap-opera silliness the show sometimes descends into. The time-off seems to have been good for the show. I am really looking forward to January.
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post #43 of 55
11/24/08 at 2:27pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

Sometimes it felt like a webisode to me, and there were some really stupid moments, like standing in a clearing when you hear a helicopter instead of immediately ordering everyone to treeline cover. In fact, from the layout of that scene, it looks like they never needed to be out in the open anyway. I think I'm going to get back into a "24" frame of mind.
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post #44 of 55
11/24/08 at 3:08pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

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Originally Posted by Craig S
Senator Clinton was considered the Democratic front-runner pretty much from the day after the 2004 election up until the 2008 Iowa caucases. In the time period you mention, she was way out in front in the polls, and many "experts" felt she had a lock on the nomination. So yeah, I think it's fair to surmise that she may have been on the writers' minds when they conceived the character of President Taylor.

FWIW, I thought "Redemption" was really well done. Some good action set pieces, nice work from the actors (I especially enjoyed Robert Carlisle's character - wish he could have hung around for the rest of the season), good setup of the new President and Jon Voight's villain. Most importantly, it almost completely avoided the soap-opera silliness the show sometimes descends into. The time-off seems to have been good for the show. I am really looking forward to January.
Craig,

I couldn't have said it better - there is no doubt in my mind that genesis for President Taylor was rooted in Hills. I also really enjoyed the episode and the ability to suspend believe is a critical factor for enjoyment of 24 IMHO....
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post #45 of 55
11/24/08 at 4:38pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

I enjoyed the episode. It as a good way to bridge the action from season 6 to season 7 to keep the viewer "in the loop," so to speak. For what it was, I thought it was good.

But the best part about it was it was my first time watching 24 in HD , as there haven't been any new episodes since I got my HDTV last year.
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post #46 of 55
11/24/08 at 5:44pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

While I am definitely happy to see the return of [arguably] the best show on regular TV, I was not overly impressed with this episode. I found it a bit lacking in action, and yes, quite predictable at times. As already noted, the product-placement was also way over the top, even for network TV. I especially got a kick out of the Nextel Direct Connect placement, since I do not think this product would even work in that part of the world.

The one redeeming element was the return of Powers Booth. I sincerely hope [and suspect] they will find a way to work him into the new season.

John
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post #47 of 55
11/25/08 at 10:41am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

I'll watch Redemption on DVD, and decide from that, whether to watch S7 on FOX or wait for the DVD.
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post #48 of 55
11/25/08 at 12:06pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

2001. 24 debuts, first black president. 2008, obama becomes first black president of US.

2009. s7 of 24 debuts, first female president. 2016, first woman president?

. 24 rox

anyways. this 2 hr thing is OK, but the female president hawt =D.

i've always though s1 was the best followed by s3. the problem with s1 through s3 is kim bauer's B storylines have always SLOWED it down compared to what was happening on the A storylines. that's why she was eventually written out. if they are smart about it, they'll kill her in one of the upcoming seasons and make sure jack suffers more, lol.

can so many bad days happen to one person?
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post #49 of 55
11/25/08 at 4:05pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

I watched the extended cut of this today and the extra footage is mostly character stuff and scene extensions (as I expected). Some of the bigger differences are Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
-Benton tells Jack about some terrible things he did in Beirut that made him want to get out of the special forces,
-Jack and Benton shoot the engine of the helicopter chasing them which causes it to have an emergency landing and buying themselves more time to get away.
-Dubaku (the guy who shoots Robert Carlyle's character when he's on the landmine) survives the landmine explosion and his eye snaps open. I can see why they dropped the scene because the guy opening his eye looks more suited to a D-list horror movie than 24.
-since there's a different cut of the show, the times at the bottom are all different
-the clocks at the commercial breaks are all dropped presumably to maintain the flow of the story.
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post #50 of 55
11/25/08 at 5:18pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

I'd give it a B+; not a bad setup for January.

Hey, I like "Magical Marwan"!

I thought his character had much more dimension than most other 24 bad guys. Despite the fact that he was always 'getting away,' at least he was portrayed as smart, and that partly explains it...and after all, this is 24. Every season strains plot credibility.
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post #51 of 55
11/25/08 at 9:00pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

I thought Redemption was quite mediocre. I did enjoy the scenes between President Daniels and President-elect Taylor.
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post #52 of 55
11/26/08 at 12:20am

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

Thought Redemption was pretty good, a nice little appetizer for season 7. I'll be much happier with Jack back in the U.S. doing his thing, but for what it was I enjoyed it.

Oh, and I'd never heard of Carly Pope before, but now she's definitely on my radar. A quick IMDB check revealed she was in a movie last year called "Young People F**king". I may have to check that out.
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post #53 of 55
12/19/08 at 9:31am

24 in Japan

Did you know that Jack Bauer is a pitchman for a product called "Calorie Mate" in Japan? (Check out the video rental commercial featuring the "I am Jack Bauer" song. It's pretty funny.)

There's also going to be a manga spoof of 24.
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post #54 of 55
12/27/08 at 3:51pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

I'll be watching this DVD tonight to catch up on Jack Bauer's latest goings-on and to prepare myself for season 7!
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post #55 of 55
12/27/08 at 3:58pm

Re: A few thoughts about Jack Bauer's return in 24: Redemption

It also reruns on January 4 (a week before the S7 premiere).
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