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There is an extremely important distinction between a three-strip Technicolor production being digitally recombined using the Ultra-Resolution process and then being put through further meticulous digital clean-up, and a photo-optical / photo-chemical recombine of the three records.

While the former yields a final result with perfect (or near-perfect) tracking and overlay of the three records and very clean final result, the result of the latter can have registration problems caused by splices, damaged perfs or dupes, as well as the occasional YCM dirt that comes with the territory.

While WB's new DVD (strangely the film arrives in some foreign territories in Blu-ray in November, but not domestically) is the best looking rendition of the film yet to hit home video, it is not an Ultra-Rez product, as stated on the packaging. That said, the recombine is very good for the majority of the film and only occasional UR might have been necessary.

The image is sharp, with color that serves as a great reminder of precisely how great three-strip Technicolor was as a process, as well as how close this release stands in replicating that look -- or should I say, looks.

I've seen prints from both the original release as well as later printings, and while some had a slightly warmer shading, others had pure Technicolor reds, purples and whites.

This transfer stands somewhere in between, probably more reminiscent of the later dye transfer prints, with a bit of warmth, and yet a purity in the whites when necessary. Flesh tones are rich and smooth and the costumes always vibrant.

The audio is also a treat, as Quo Vadis contains one of the great scores, probably the granddaddy of scores when it comes to the Roman epics of the '50s and '60s. To put it simply, the score by Miklos Rozsa is one of the greatest to be heard on any film. A stellar classic score. As a side note, the original overture and exit music are returned.

While I'm distressed that we're not receiving the Blu-ray, with its higher profile color standards and resolution, this will suffice for the time being.

Recommended.

RAH

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post #2 of 26

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This is wonderful news about the release. I had read a disappointing review somewhere else, but you have not and could never steer me wrong with your recommendations. Great news about the overture and exit music being restored, I had hoped this would be the case. This one of my favorites and still have the laserdisc. I will however wait for the Blu-ray to arrive sometime next year, hopefully, but the wait will now be harder.
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I will be more than interested to hear the sound. Previous transfers always had second rate sound. It sounded as if an originla optical track had been transferred to mag and had been badly noise gated along the way.


Sadly, it sounds as if warners STILL has not restored the intermission and the intermission music.
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I will be more than interested to hear the sound. Previous transfers always had second rate sound. It sounded as if an originla optical track had been transferred to mag and had been badly noise gated along the way.



I wonder if anyone at Turner/Warner remembers today---or has paperwork that indicates---that in the 1970s in various dubbing rooms, the MGM Sound Department was pulling old archival 35mm release prints with optical tracks from the vaults and making new transfers of the tracks with Dolby Noise Reduction to make new masters and replace some of their older tracks on films for which they were making new repertory prints.

I wandered through the mixing rooms on several occasions and saw them doing this with, I think, MRS. MINIVER, among others and I asked them what was going on with such an old title. They explained that this was an ongoing process and that whenever the regular salaried sound department staff had down time from current work, they'd just run through more reels of archival stuff on their list and clean it up with the Dolby. (I hope this has been indicated on the newer master negatives and that they're decoding the Dolby properly.)
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Originally Posted by Joe Caps
...Sadly, it sounds as if warners STILL has not restored the intermission and the intermission music.
Where did the intermission occur in the film? The break between the DVDs seems abrupt, but it could just be because there is no audio transition.

Regards,
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
...it is not an Ultra-Rez product, as stated on the packaging...
Why would Warner Brothers state it is Ultra-Rez on the package if it is not? Oh yeah, silly question. I forget that the guys who write the notes on press releases and package specs are completely out of touch with what is going on in the restoration labs.
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I had read a disappointing review somewhere else...

Probably the one at DVD Talk, by the reviewer who "doesn't get Robert Taylor".
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Originally Posted by Mark-P
Why would Warner Brothers state it is Ultra-Rez on the package if it is not? Oh yeah, silly question. I forget that the guys who write the notes on press releases and package specs are completely out of touch with what is going on in the restoration labs.
To be fair, all the press releases have ever claimed is "...a meticulous photochemical restoration especially for its premiere DVD issue...". Only the DVD box says "Ultra Resolution".

Regards,
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I can't wait until next Easter to have this title on Blu-ray.





Crawdaddy
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Originally Posted by Ken_McAlinden
Where did the intermission occur in the film? The break between the DVDs seems abrupt, but it could just be because there is no audio transition.

Regards,

It's not easy to spot. The intermission occurred at around the 1:38 mark where Robert Taylor is riding in his chariot towards the flames of burning Rome, having just killed and evaded the two soldiers chasing him.
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
I can't wait until next Easter to have this title on Blu-ray.





Crawdaddy

I, too, am looking forward to it. It's rather torturous to wait for this, GIGI, and AN AMERICAN IN PARIS on Blu-ray. Maybe one of these days, there will be enough manufacturing plants to handle day/date releases of vault title special editions as well as new films.
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Originally Posted by Douglas R
It's not easy to spot. The intermission occurred at around the 1:38 mark where Robert Taylor is riding in his chariot towards the flames of burning Rome, having just killed and evaded the two soldiers chasing him.
The disc break comes a few scenes before that. The second disc begins with the scene between Robert Taylor's Marcus Vinicius and Patricia Laffan's Poppaea where she attempts to seduce him and threatens him if she ever sees him with Lygia again.

Regards,
post #13 of 26

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the Blu ray version from germany arrives in a few weeks.
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Originally Posted by MattH.
I, too, am looking forward to it. It's rather torturous to wait for this, GIGI, and AN AMERICAN IN PARIS on Blu-ray. Maybe one of these days, there will be enough manufacturing plants to handle day/date releases of vault title special editions as well as new films.

They say absence makes the heart grow fonder. Not to mention all the perennials that are coming to BD next year, which hopefully means I'll never have to buy them again.
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Originally Posted by willyTass
the Blu ray version from germany arrives in a few weeks.

Next Friday to be precise - I am looking forward to it
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amazon germany has started shipping the Blu Ray

EDIT: Blu Ray arrived today : it says Dolby Digital Deutsch 1.0 ; DD english 1.0 ; DD Spanish 1.0; DD French1.0 ; Dolby Digital Italian1.0

Subtitles German, English, Portugese, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, Italian, swedish, Korean, Chinese

Ill check tonight and see if there's no dreaded forced subbies. 1.33: 1 ratio "duration 174 min". Its a BD 50 disc
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Originally Posted by willyTass
amazon germany has started shipping the Blu Ray

Does the german blu-ray includes French audio and French subtitles ?

This title along with "An American in Paris" and "Gigi" will be available on 26th november 2008 in France.

Daniel.
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The Blu ray also states "Neue digitale Ultra-resolution". It aint.

No forced subs

Plays on my region B ps3 and region A player

1080p24 encoded

Grain left in . Colours look nice. There are a few scenes where some colour bleeding was obvious. I think most will be content with the transfer. Not thrilling , but nice.
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I got the Quo Vadis Blu-Ray today and it is certainly worth the wait for members who own a Blu-Ray player. This is another strong classic release from Warner and while the use of the ultra resolution process would have helped with some scenes I understand that there might have been budgetal constraints that led to it not being used.

Whatever the budget was it was put to good use as neither DNR nor ringing nor grain reduction get in the way of the picture on this Blu-Ray version of Quo Vadis - I am very happy
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DVD vs Blu RAY screencaps

Quo Vadis Blu-ray - Robert taylor Deborah Kerr
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The fleshtones on the Blu-ray certainly look more pinkish and less brown. And, of course, there's no comparison with the sharpness and detail.

Thanks for that link!
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Gave this a rent the other night since I've never managed to see it before. While I agree that the colors on the DVD seem a little muted for Technicolor, for a film this old, it otherwise looked really good. I noticed one weird thing, though...at the layer change on disc 1, when Nero first gets the idea to burn Rome (it's pretty obvious since it's in the middle of a stationary shot of Ustinov), the color values noticeably shift. I can't imagine it's a film element issue, since it occurs during a shot. Some sort of encoding discrepancy?
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Originally Posted by MattH.
The fleshtones on the Blu-ray certainly look more pinkish and less brown. And, of course, there's no comparison with the sharpness and detail.

Thanks for that link!
I can't hardly wait until Easter.




Crawdaddy
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Did this film have an intermission originally? I have heard conflicting reports.
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Did this film have an intermission originally? I have heard conflicting reports.

"Quo Vadis" was probably the last film MGM released in New York under a system which was quite common in the 1930s and 1940s -- opening it at the Capitol with "popular prices" and continuous showings, and six blocks south on Broadway at the Astor with reserved seats and two showings a day.  These were the same theaters and the same policy MGM used for "Gone With the Wind" and most of their "big" movies in those days.  (The hefty top price at the Astor for the "Quo Vadis" evening performances was $2.40.)

I think it's reasonable to assume that the reserved seat version of "Quo Vadis" was shown with an intermission, while the "popular price" version wasn't, which would have resulted in two versions and the conflicting reports.  But I don't know for sure.
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Quo Vadis certainly had intermission and intermission music.
Even in its reissue in the mid 1960s, these were still in place.
Somewhere along the way, MGM joined the final scene of Act One (Robert Taylor riding away in the chariot) to the beginning of Act Two.
However, since turner went back to the  original negs for this, wouldn't the original negs have that scene leading into the Intermission Card?

Indeed, Film Score Monthly just released the soundtrack of Quo Vadis on cd.  the original Vadis LP has a piece called Chariot Chase.  There, you can hear the complete music for the End of Act One. 
Further,  the piece that is now the Overture for Act One, is actually marked Intermezzo, leading to believe this was originally the Intermission music.
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