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post #61 of 87

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Originally Posted by ScottH
So what was the answer?

Although I think the bigger question for me was why did the program even exist in the first place? Wasn't really that interested in why Edward volunteered (or Henry if that turned out to be the case).

Basically what most speculated, that Edward knew that he was never going to be able to have a real relationship and that it sort of takes care of his needs.
post #62 of 87

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Another good episode. Stupid Nielsen famblys.
post #63 of 87

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I was really starting to like this show, although I think they should have played out the idea that he didn't know what was happening to him when he flashed for a few more episodes before having Edward bring him in for "fixing"

Perhaps this is NBC thinking the show wouldn't last long in the first place.

I don't get it. They advertised the hell out of this thing in the summer.
post #64 of 87

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Originally Posted by Joe H
Basically what most speculated, that Edward knew that he was never going to be able to have a real relationship and that it sort of takes care of his needs.
It still doesn't actually make sense - it's not like he's actually getting the benefit of Henry's life in any way that we can see. I suppose that the current plot with Mike O'Malley's character(s) may be about exploring the link between the two lives a little - especially if the agent becomes more erratic as the cover's life falls apart - but I think getting to that point requires an awful lot more investment in terms of time than it's reasonable to expect the audience to give.

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Originally Posted by KevinGress
I think that until a better model is adopted - a 2 hour self-contained pilot, 6 or 8 hour miniseries, etc. people are going to continue to let shows like MOWE pass by.
Well, that overlooks the fact that My Own Worst Enemy didn't just fail because NBC didn't do all they could. As I mentioned earlier, the show has a few basic structural problems. I think it was also not helped at all by the fact that NBC ordered it straight from the pilot script or even the proposal, so they really had no time to see what wasn't working between episode 1 and 2, and by the time the problems could be identified, it would be a multi-week turnaround by which time even more of the audience would have bailed. This week was better than most, but it was probably too little, too late.

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Why shouldn't I wait for the show to go to DVD first? In fact, while at this stage it's still dicey, I think a showrunner like Whedon would be better served to simply run his/her show directly to DVD to avoid the hassle, and if it's a hot enough product, then the networks will come crawling (see: Sanctuary)
As to the first question, one of the great things about network TV is that it hits everybody at the same time, and you can talk on fora like this or at the water cooler and, if you're enthusiastic enough, maybe turn someone else onto it. Even if you're not directly counted in the Nielsens, you can still exert some influence to make a show you like a success and get that sort of enjoyment out of it. It's also how these things are designed to work, as a serial.

As to the second question, I suspect producers want the resources a network gives them. $2M+/hour productions don't go direct to video except by accident, and the combination of DVD and online doesn't yet offer the sort of revenue streams ad-supported networks do. Even a guy like Whedon is likely going to have a hard time making something with the production values of Firefly or Dollhouse for video - after all, Sci-Fi basically threw out the original 15-minute episodes of Sanctuary before airing their version.
post #65 of 87

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Wow, I was behind on this show and just got caught up. Now I read this thread and realize that it is cancelled. I guess I should have not spent 3 hours last night getting up to speed. LOL
post #66 of 87

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How you gonna hire John Heard and then kill him off?
post #67 of 87

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Originally Posted by Matt^Brown
Wow, I was behind on this show and just got caught up. Now I read this thread and realize that it is cancelled. I guess I should have not spent 3 hours last night getting up to speed. LOL
If you had watched the episodes the nights they originally aired it wouldn't be getting canceled That is, if you were a Nielsen family (which you can't tell us, so we can blame you anyway).

When the cancellation news came last month, they were filming the final episode. I'm hoping that they were able to add some coda to it. In any case the final episode is this coming Monday. It seems that they at least resolved the Tom/Raymond and his marriage plot line this past week.
post #68 of 87

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Neil, I also hope they were able to resolve some things. Even a new ending where Edward lets the company mindwipe him. Thus allowing Henry to live out his life without Edward. But, they will probably have no ending.
post #69 of 87

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Originally Posted by todd s
Neil, I also hope they were able to resolve some things. Even a new ending where Edward lets the company mindwipe him. Thus allowing Henry to live out his life without Edward. But, they will probably have no ending.
I misread the schedule I was reading. This past Monday was not the final one, but this coming Monday (the 15th) will be. Thinking that it was the final episode I thought they were just going to leave things up in the air this past Monday, but then they had a promo for another episode which may wrap things up.
post #70 of 87

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Well I guess they didn't wrap anything up. Just left us with some big cliffhangers.
post #71 of 87

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Would it really have been that hard for them to cut out the last 30 seconds and show some sort of old footage of Henry going home to his wife or something, just to give closure? I mean, that's absolutely ridiculous the way they ended that when it'd have been so simple to prevent a cliffhanger.
post #72 of 87

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Originally Posted by Joe_H
Would it really have been that hard for them to cut out the last 30 seconds and show some sort of old footage of Henry going home to his wife or something, just to give closure? I mean, that's absolutely ridiculous the way they ended that when it'd have been so simple to prevent a cliffhanger.
I was surprised there as well. There really was no reason for them to end it that way, except to get the audience upset. Still, it could have been a more dramatic cliffhanger, so maybe we should count ourselves lucky in that respect.
post #73 of 87

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They could have easily shown a scene where they do the procedure and it works...But, he is stuck as Henry.
post #74 of 87

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Originally Posted by todd s
Well I guess they didn't wrap anything up. Just left us with some big cliffhangers.

But when they made that episode, did they know it would be the last one?

I'm sad to see this show end. Thought it was a pretty good spy show, like a series version of True Lies. I didn't care much about the dual personalities one way or the other - if they had just gone the True Lies route of a spy who also has a family who thinks he works a regular job, that would have been just as good. I wonder if it would have done better in the ratings like that- maybe the personality thing confused the audience.

In fact, despite seeing all the episodes, I still have trouble remembering if Edward is the spy or the family guy. And once both personalities knew about each other, to the point where they were leaving videos for the other, what was the purpose of that part of the storyline?

Wonder what NBC will end up airing in that timeslot after the holidays- I'm guessing it won't do any better.
post #75 of 87

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Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood
But when they made that episode, did they know it would be the last one?
They were still filming this episode when the word came down.
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Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood
Wonder what NBC will end up airing in that timeslot after the holidays- I'm guessing it won't do any better.
In February, Medium will be in that timeslot again.
post #76 of 87

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Actually Tom's storyline last night showed why the idea of a dual identity is a bad idea. What happens if an agent gets into trouble when in joe shmoe mode?? Tom and his family could have killed because he didn't recognize an old crime boss (Demone from Fast Times). It could have easily have been an enemy agent.
post #77 of 87

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I think if the show had run longer than it did, the personalities would have learned from one another. As we saw last night, Henry was already becoming more of a survivor than he was at the start. Henry's humanity didn't rub off on Edward so much, but I think that would have happened eventually. By season seven (much earlier than that, really), I'm sure the personalities would have been blended completely, with it becoming more like the True Lies example.

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Originally Posted by todd s
(Demone from Fast Times).

I thought that's who that was!
post #78 of 87

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I guess it's fitting that this show goes out as it came in - nice cast, but really not thought through very well at all.
post #79 of 87

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Originally Posted by Jason Seaver
I guess it's fitting that this show goes out as it came in - nice cast, but really not thought through very well at all.


I agree it never really made sense that the Docile Personality would forget all the Agency stuff, yet the Agent Personalities seem to remember all the Home stuff.. it just was very confusing...
post #80 of 87

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They don't remember it, but they are, I suspect, regularly briefed on it.

Of course, the dual personalities don't make a damn bit of sense. With Henry/Edward, we see a potential point of failure, and Tom/Raymond has spent the series demonstrating just exactly how many ways this can go wrong.

This show really needed to show at least one tangible benefit to the whole Janus program, but I suspect that there aren't any. The closest thing to an actual use I can think of is that maybe they could switch personae out in order to prevent the agent from giving anything up under torture, or acknowledging that Edward and Raymond are sociopaths who can only be allowed out when the government needs a sociopath, but they didn't seem willing to go quite that far.
post #81 of 87

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So either Edward hired the least competent assassin in the entire world, or the point of that exercise was just to teach Henry a lesson or two about "survival mode." Because unless that kid was a graduate of the "Imperial Stormtrooper School of Marksmanship", there's no way he misses that target in that setting that many times. I'm betting Henry's gun was loaded with blanks and Edward just wanted to find out a) if Henry could escape and b) if he'd shoot it. Another mystery we'll never get the answer to.

Regards,

Joe
post #82 of 87

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Hah, I thought the same thing that the guns had to be loaded with blanks, until Henry shot the lock off the door. Then I groaned, and thought "youv'e got to be kidding me!"
post #83 of 87

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Originally Posted by Jeff Cooper
Hah, I thought the same thing that the guns had to be loaded with blanks, until Henry shot the lock off the door. Then I groaned, and thought "youv'e got to be kidding me!"

Oh, yeah. Forgot about that.

Damn. I hate letting facts get in the way of a good theory!

I still say the assassin was fake. Edward must have just known that Henry would never shoot at the guy. (Or maybe he was wearing a vest?) As it was Henry was damned lucky he wasn't hit by a ricochet. When he was running through the engine room, pinned between a wall and equipment, hardly able to move left or right he was basically a stationary target from the shooter's POV. He was moving away in a straight line and only gradually getting "smaller" as the distance increased. At that distance there is no way even a moderately good pistol shot fires that many rounds and never once hits the target. The place practically was a target range. All that was missing were the circles and numbers on Henry's back.

Regards,

Joe
post #84 of 87

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I really enjoyed this show and am going to miss it now that it is done. Sadly I think this show would have just gotten better if given a full season.

One a side note, Madchen Amick was just smoking hot the last two episodes?
post #85 of 87

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Well, most people do get better with practice. Still, there's also a very real possibility that this show might have just kept getting dumber, exposing more and more holes to its central premise and continually running in circles because there's not a whole lot of changes that can be made to the show's status quo.
post #86 of 87

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Originally Posted by Patrick_S
I really enjoyed this show and am going to miss it now that it is done. Sadly I think this show would have just gotten better if given a full season.

One a side note, Madchen Amick was just smoking hot the last two episodes?

lol the last 2 episodes...shes been hot since twin peaks
post #87 of 87

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it's a shame its been cancelled, I did feel that the 'split' happened pretty quick in the show. It might have been better to slowly work into a premise like lost (have a bunch of episode just showing him as a superspy/husband working as intended). Who knows maybe if it had a big 2 hour premier it could have hooked more people and taken its time working towards the 'split'...i guess it's all moot now. I did enjoy the show....I enjoyed 'journeyman' too....so my personal batting average with picking shows is pretty bad as of late.
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