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HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
post #2 of 79
9/29/08 at 12:40pm
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Sounds awesome. Almost makes me want to buy the DVD and not wait for a BD. Almost.
post #3 of 79
9/29/08 at 2:45pm
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Nice review, but it doesn't matter if people prefer a full-frame version, since the film was not released that way - it was ONLY released in 1:85.1 and that was how it was shot and how it was framed by Welles and Russell Metty. There's no arguing - it's fact. People prefer all sorts of things, for reasons of personal preference, but since those people didn't make the film and since 90% or more never saw it when it came out, I don't exactly know why they'd want to see it in a form it was not composed for.
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9/29/08 at 3:44pm
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Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
Can't wait for this too arrive, I never did see the restored cut. Great review!
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9/29/08 at 7:41pm
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Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
Pre-ordered already. I've been on a Welles kick lately (just got Criterion's Mr. Arkadin in Amazon's 60% off sale).The '98 DVD is quite soft (almost looks upscaled), so I hope this is a bit sharper. It's going to be fun seeing the multiple cuts.
post #6 of 79
9/29/08 at 8:23pm
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Was that the same transfer used for the 2000 Universal DVD? When I watched the 2000 DVD on a friend's home-theater system last year, everything looked a little fuzzy and way too gray (little to no contrast). If the reviewer above hadn't said this was a "crisp" transfer, I'd be worried by his subsequent statement that the transfer is the "same" as the 2000 one. Maybe others had a different experience with that DVD, but my copy didn't do the film justice on a big screen.
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I did not find the transfer on the 2000 DVD to be a "soft" one. Given the age of the materials, I didn't expect this to look like a Blu-ray of CARS or 300. But I had no problems with the transfer - it looked very much to me like the one on the 2000 disc, which I also did not have issues with.It sounds like there are people who didn't like the transfer on the 2000 disc. I honestly wasn't one of them. When I say "crisp", I mean that I was able to delineate the differences between foreground and background, between people and objects and buildings, and that the numerous shadow effects on display in the film came across clearly. Would a transfer of a more current film look sharper? Absolutely, but it simply isn't possible to get anything more than what Universal was able to provide Schmidlin 10 years ago.
If the consensus is that this is a terrible transfer, I'll be happy to go through it again and see if I need to check my glasses. But I really didn't have that problem.
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9/30/08 at 7:15am
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Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
I've pre-ordered it. It's a great idea to combine all these additions. One really cannot appreciate the new version without having seen the old version(s). In some ways, I preferred some of the cutting of the middle portion of the picture in the old version to the recut version. Looks to be great package.I do not remember the 200 DVD looking bad, and will give it a look tonight.
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Another thing to keep in mind:Even if we differ about our opinions on the quality of the transfer (and I've gone round and round on this on other films before - where I either gave a better quality review to a transfer that someone else didn't like, or where I didn't care for a transfer that other people pointed out was better than I was giving credit for), there still is the matter of the bonus features here.
The commentaries alone are worth the purchase cost, in my opinion. Having Charlton Heston and Janet Leigh sit down and speak frankly about how the shoot went and what they were doing is a gift to any fan of the film. And given that neither actor is with us today, I'm just happy that we were finally able to get the fruits of what was originally assembled 8 years ago. If the release just had all three versions by themselves with nothing extra, it would have been a good release just for the comparison. Adding the commentaries makes it irresistable for me. And adding the featurettes with Curtis Hanson's tour is a nice grace note.
post #10 of 79
9/30/08 at 10:50am
Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
This new version looks like it is still missing the great documentary " Reconstructing Evil The Making OF The Touch Of Evil ". This was dropped from the 2000 DVD release due to a legal rights issue . It was shown once on BBC2 in the UK on the 17/12/2000.It featured interviews with Charlton Heston, Janet Leigh, George Lucas, RobertWise, Curtis Hanson and Peter Bogdanovich. A complete analysis of the reconstructed scenes and an in-depth explanation of the re-edits by the restored version's producer RickSchmidlin and editor Walter MurchRe: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
I believe that "Reconstructing Evil" was re-edited into the featurettes on this edition. Heston, Leigh, Schmidlin, Murch, Lucas and Hanson are all included. I don't know what was edited out, but I was satisfied with what was there. And the litigation at the time also blocked the commentary. Thankfully, we're getting the material now. I'd be curious if anyone could confirm if something major were edited from the documentary.I am unable to post screencaps, as I'm a bit technically challenged in that area. (I've honestly never learned how to do that.) But if anyone else can post them, I'd be delighted.
The discs are dual layered.
The memo is just the 58 pages, double sided and stapled together in a reduced size, in a faux envelope. The only other material in the package is a color advertising insert in the discholder - showing classic movies available from Universal and TCM.
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9/30/08 at 11:53am
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Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
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| This new version looks like it is still missing the great documentary " Reconstructing Evil The Making OF The Touch Of Evil ". |
That was indeed a great documentary. I am disappointed that it did not make it. Probably still the rights issue. Guess I'll have to hang onto my version recorded from Cinemax years ago.
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Just saw Kevin's last post that the material from the doc may be the basis for the featurettes. I'll compare them when my pre-order comes in.
post #13 of 79
9/30/08 at 4:06pm
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Great movie. I've only seen the restored version though. Looking forward to the other ones for comparison.
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9/30/08 at 5:59pm
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Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
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Was that the same transfer used for the 2000 Universal DVD? When I watched the 2000 DVD on a friend's home-theater system last year, everything looked a little fuzzy and way too gray (little to no contrast). If the reviewer above hadn't said this was a "crisp" transfer, I'd be worried by his subsequent statement that the transfer is the "same" as the 2000 one. Maybe others had a different experience with that DVD, but my copy didn't do the film justice on a big screen.
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Sorry, I thought the original was released in '98 when the restoration was released. It's from 2000. It has a very filtered look, rarely with film grain looking natural. Not the best black levels, either. It's possible to see a lot of smearing in the lengthy opening shot in the shadows.
If this version looks crisp, it must be a completely new transfer.
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I did not find the transfer on the 2000 DVD to be a "soft" one. Given the age of the materials, I didn't expect this to look like a Blu-ray of CARS or 300. But I had no problems with the transfer - it looked very much to me like the one on the 2000 disc, which I also did not have issues with.
It sounds like there are people who didn't like the transfer on the 2000 disc. I honestly wasn't one of them. When I say "crisp", I mean that I was able to delineate the differences between foreground and background, between people and objects and buildings, and that the numerous shadow effects on display in the film came across clearly. Would a transfer of a more current film look sharper? Absolutely, but it simply isn't possible to get anything more than what Universal was able to provide Schmidlin 10 years ago. If the consensus is that this is a terrible transfer, I'll be happy to go through it again and see if I need to check my glasses. But I really didn't have that problem. |
It shouldn't have anything to do with the film. Maybe the opening shot, which had digital work applied, but they sourced mostly the camera negative, I think. Not that anyone is expecting it to look brand new, but a 1958 B&W film should look great. The problems I see on the 2000 DVD are obviously related to the transfer and compression, not the film itself.
Here's a screenshot:

The screen capture doesn't really show what it looks like in motion, but it just looks noise reduced and filtered to my eyes. A lot like how the '02 Rear Window was filtered, but the recent 2-disc is razor sharp with film grain.
Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
Patrick, I should be clear and acknowledge I am viewing these films on a 40" HDTV (a Sony XBR2 that I picked up about 2 years ago). I have had discussions on these pages before specifically about DNR - Robert Harris has stated that I would need to pick up a larger set (at least 60") to properly see the effects of DNR on a Blu-ray disc. Perhaps this is also the case for standard definition discs - I don't know. I just didn't see smearing in the shadows or anything like excessive filtration.I'll repeat that I believe that the transfer on the current edition is the same as the 2000 release. And I didn't have these issues with that transfer. Again, if the consensus is that this is a truly bad transfer, then I either need to get my eyes checked (always a possibility after spending too much time watching TV) or I need to check the settings on the HDTV, which I thought I had optimized. I believe this is a matter of differing opinions - which I find to be healthy in a forum like this. In an earlier review, I had issues with the old transfer used for the DVD release of Centennial, but other people were happily surprised by it.
post #16 of 79
10/1/08 at 9:47am
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If the new DVD features the same old transfer of TOUCH OF EVIL I'll be deeply disappointed.There are numerous examples of films from that era that look a lot better even on standard definition media. In my opinion Universal's 2000 transfer is really soft and shows little detail.
Please look at these captions from the R1 and R2 again and tell me what's "crisp" about them:
Touch of Evil - Orson Welles
D V D u e l l . d e - DVD-Kritik "Im Zeichen des Bösen / Touch of Evil" [USA 1958, Orson Welles] Universal BRD, RC2 PAL
Heck, the old DVD transfer looks almost as soft as that print taken from German cable (it features the incorrect open matte version of the film with a lot of contrast problems though).
Look at page two of dvduell's comparison and compare TOE's opening Universal logo to that of CAPE FEAR (1962), made less that 5 years later, and you'll see what I would call a "crisp" transfer...
Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
Fabian, you may need to prepare to be deeply disappointed, I'm sorry to say. I have already given the best explanation I can for my review and my guidelines, including my definition of the word "crisp". I'm sorry if I can't provide better justification for it - but I recognize and respect that opinions will differ here.I have no reason to believe the transfer is any different from the 2000 edition - even Universal has not said anything about putting together a new transfer or remastering. It's the same one from the prior release - only now we have all three versions.
I would still urge you to take a look at the supplemental material before condemning this release outright. I highly recommended not only for the quality of the film but for the commentaries and the included featurettes (which apparently come from the documentary mentioned in this thread).
post #18 of 79
10/1/08 at 11:19am
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I'm far from condemning the release. In fact, being a huge Welles fan and of this film in particular, I'll pick it up as soon as it's out. Having all three versions of the film (of which the preview version with Mancini's opening music intact is still my favourite) and some superlative supplemental materials is reason enough. I only wish Universal had really put some effort in restoring the image quality as closely to Welles' vision as they did in recutting the surviving material following his memo.I hope there'll be some side-by-side image comparison soon to really be sure about the quality of the transfers.
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10/1/08 at 12:39pm
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Kevin - is the picture quality the same on all three versions? I agree with others that the picture quality of the previous DVD of the restored version was poor but I never cared for that version anyway. It's the other two versions which I am much more interested in.Re: HTF DVD REVIEW: Touch of Evil 50th Anniversary Edition - Highly Recommended
I believe that all three versions have the same picture quality. The opening sequence is visually the same on all three, other than the absence of credits on the restored version. The framing looked identical to me, and I certainly didn't notice any areas where there was massive distress in one version and absolute clarity in another.
post #21 of 79
10/1/08 at 2:03pm
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I'm not saying that Kevin is mistaken, but I would be very surprised if Universal did not go to the trouble of reconstructing multiple cuts of this highly regarded film without creating a new transfer to work from. I'm sure this will eventually rear itself on BD given that it is a rather high tier entry in the cannon of "film noir" and classic cinema with the Welles director credit so it would strike me a very odd decision. I'm sure most were expecting to see this remastered with the new Legacy Edition. Perhaps it's a subtle difference.
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10/6/08 at 8:54am
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That's good. I threw the old disc on the other day to see if it looked as bad as I remember, and it is really pretty soft.Also, I watched the "Reconstructing Evil" doc, and from the lineup of folks in the "new" features, I am inclined to believe that they have indeed broken up "Reconstructing Evil" into a couple of featurettes.
post #23 of 79
10/6/08 at 11:13am
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nearly forgot that this came out
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10/6/08 at 4:54pm
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Quick comparison to show how the transfers look...Restored Version on the 2000 DVD:

Restored Version on the 2008 DVD:

1975 Preview Cut/1958 Theatrical Cut:

Main difference for the restored version between 2000 and 2008 is that the heavy noise reduction is lifted, the image is sharper, there's natural film grain visible, and black levels are richer. I'm guessing that Universal built the theatrical/preview cuts back up from the same materials since the opening credits look exactly the same in quality.
Overall, the quality is in line with Universal's usually stellar handling of B&W films. I'm eager to dive into the commentaries, especially with Heston and Leigh.
post #25 of 79
10/6/08 at 10:47pm
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What a relief!The new transfer looks good to me, as far as you can judge from one single screenshot.
I'll be happy to recieve my DVD soon...
post #26 of 79
10/7/08 at 4:13am
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another review DVD Talk Review: Touch Of Evil - 50th Anniversary Edition
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10/7/08 at 8:45am
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Clearly a new transfer. No offense, Kevin, but how could you think these were the same???? ;-)
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10/7/08 at 9:11am
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Dave Kehr has a comparison of the full frame to the new DVDs on his blog.New DVDs: Touch of Evil | davekehr.com
post #29 of 79
10/7/08 at 9:20am
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Has anybody spotted Keenan Wynn in a "bit part" in any of the three versions? The imdb has had him listed as being in the film for ages.
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10/8/08 at 9:11am
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Sounds awesome. Almost makes me want to buy the DVD and not wait for a BD. Almost.
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