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Bleddyn,

That is my stance, too.

Frankly, I have too many other titles on Blu-ray that I have not purchased yet, ones without any image issues, because I am trying to be "fiscally responsible," and not spend more than $100 per month, (on average) for my Blu-ray purchases...and I am avoiding double-dipping on this format, since I did way too much of that on DVD.

Bless NetFlix. I can get them all, burn through all the special features, and then get them again when I get the urge, and hold off until the SEs are released in a few years.

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I was on the fence with this purchase but since you and I see pretty much see eye to eye in regards to Star Trek, I'm going to have to get this set.

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Thanks Gary, I hope you enjoy this set and I'd be curious what you think!

Star Trek is a must for me and it's the only property that I will gladly upgrade with each new iterations!

It's been a real pleasure so far to see Star Trek The Motion Picture look so good! I hope it's an indication of more good things. And bring on the DE's!

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Anybody know why STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE is unrated?

If it's the theatrical version then it's Rated G...so what's with the Unrated tag? They just not want to admit that it was Rated G??!? lol.

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Well, Amazon has finally admitted that my order won't arrive until May 19-20. At least now I can charge it against next month's media budget (my budget for this month was already gone anyway....oops).

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Appalling!!!

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Nice DNR.

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So am I.

After reading all the naysayers and the DNR Police rioting over it (and lowering my expectations), I'm more than pleasantly surprised by the transfers, soundtracks and supplements. People should take a look at this for themselves and not boycott it based on what a few online posters and screen caps illustrate. How anyone in their right minds would prefer the DVDs over any of these transfers is beyond me, but to each his own. I'm perfectly content with this set, even though it's not the full blown restoration (outside of II) some might have hoped.

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Amazon is weird with pre-orders. I put mine in on the 10th, I get an "estimated delivery" for the 15th (I used standard shipping), but the status still shows "not shipped" at this time. How can they estimate a delivery date when it hasn't even shipped? Hmm...

....anywho, no signs of a delay or backorder yet for me at least. It would be great if it actually does arrive on the 15th.

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Good one! Still bitter about that myself. Hope they get it right when that saga hits Blu-ray.

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They estimate a delivery based on the assumption that Paramount actually gets them stock in a timely manner.

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Well if my local stores can stock their shelves on the release date, so should Amazon be able to ship them.

Perhaps it is more a question of Amazon not anticipating the demand.

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I was hoping someone would get the joke among all the angst and anxiety being expressed!

Seems like a lot of folks are ready to slit their wrists over ST (or maybe slit someone's wrists over at Paramount), which, IIRC, was pretty much the same sort of sentiment that prevailed when SW hit DVD.

Brian

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Interesting bit today by Torsten Kaiser TLE about the possible 1080i mastering of ST: VI:
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Plus the sentiments of a few of us who have "Home Theater" projection systems with large 100"+ screens:
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Paul

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Isn't a cancelled order a dangerous way to tell a studio you aren't happy with the transfer? The beancounters might get the wrong idea and think Star Trek on Blu Ray is not a popular title, and thus not continue development of the nicer transfers for the DE's.

I know that the studios must have their ears and eyes on these forums and others and hopefully hear the sentiments. Of course I know some here will say since it's Star Trek, they can keep putting out newer versions to sell!

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Exactly. I own this set and have sampled all six films and I think they are a hugh improvement over the current sd dvd releases in PQ and definately in AQ. I do like that Dave Mack, Bleddyn, Xylon and all the reviewers that notice the DNR are making sure to let everyone know. An informed decision is always better before you throw down $80 or more. Especially, at these times in our lives.

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Agreed, advanced warning for this kind of info is great.

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I really believe most companies read these forums.
They probably keep doing it because it's easier and cheaper, plus many people are buying it, regardless of the reviews.

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Well, having followed the quality debates with much interest, I finally just went to Best Buy and bought the six movie set (because my Amazon preorder still has not yet shipped). I just couldn't wait any longer, after having gotten hyped up by seeing the incredible new movie.

Anyway, on to my question... so far I have only popped in IV to check the quality, and only on my small screen in my computer room. I have not seen any mention of this, but the audio of the main feature seems very low... in fact, much lower than the two commentary tracks (the music bleed over the opening credits in the new commentary is actually much louder than the music on the main track!).

Has anyone else noticed this? I find it interesting because on the TOS1 set there seems to be the same problem with the new remixes (much quieter than the mono tracks and menus).

BTW, picture looks fantastic on this small screen... will have to wait a bit to check it out on the 60" I have...

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I bought the Trek Trilogy, cause i want the directors cut of TMP, and i HATE, HATE, Trek V. Trek VI has many things i dont like, like redressed TNG sets, a kitchen with a tube system, phasers in the kitchen...anyway....I watched Trek III last night. I have a 52 " Sony LCD, and a Sony BDP350 Blu-ray player. I thought it looked fine. Bold colors, sharp picture with lots of detail, and the surround sound rocked the house! Not as great as the Trek first season Blu-ray, but hey, it doesnt have the colors that TOS has. I have seen MUCH worse from DVD, and Blu-ray. Most of all, i got 3 movies for about $40. That works out to, more or less $14 a movie. Not a bad price.

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I'm really quite concerned about these ongoing audio issues. My season 1 box set is still in the mail from Amazon, and I'm still on the fence over the movie box set, but the official reviews all seem to praise the audio while other people have commented its way too quiet.

I know, I know - just turn up the volume I suppose, but that's not the point. The audio never seems quite right when it's mixed low like that, and I really hate having to turn it up and down depending on the content I happen to be watching.

I like my DTS mixes to be big and powerful.

The pictures issues are bad enough. Sound issues would be too much!

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I am beginning to think that my wait for Amazon might be just too much to take now. Maybe I will take a stroll down to Best Buy too.

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I have only screened Khan, and the sound is very, very good. I detect no reduction in level. The dialog does have a somewhat dated sound to it, but it is what it is. However, they did a great with the music and effects.

And you do know that the soundtrack is TruHD, right?

Brian

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Mine has shipped - I cannot wait!

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Got my set today. I've only sampled II and VI so far...

Star Trek VI: My initial reaction was more on the positive side, the image has a great deal more 'solidness' for the lack of a better term compared to the DVD, and a marked improvement. That being said, there are definite DNR gremlins at work here (think 'Dark Knight' non-Imax scenes here), combined with some odd grain artifacts here and there. The transfers 1080i source makes itself known at times with some slight jaggies, but I wouldn't be the final source on that, as I can only pass 1080i from my PS3 to my Sony SXRD due to receiver switching issues.

Star Trek II: Far more natural detail, and I couldn't believe the improvement in audio quality. Dialogue in particular sounds better than any previous version, even though the recording quality still shows its age. My big question with this one is the color timing. Some shots have a very aggressive blue push (check any exterior of Regula I). I wish I could get a definitive answer on this one.

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This morning Amazon said it would arrive next week.

This evening I got a shipping notice that it would arrive tomorrow. Apparently the truck from the distributor finally arrived.

I really think this was a Paramount glitch (especially since there seemed to be such a problem getting the review disks out).

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I'm on the fence about purchasing the 7-Disc set with apprehensions of eventual double-dipping. I don't mind repurchasing the same movie more than once if it has all-new supplements (no repeated material); an alternate cut of the feature doesn't hurt either (e.g. Daredevil, Alien Quadrilogy, Donnie Darko, Elecktra, Mr. & Mrs. Smith)

I've never seen the Director's Cuts of TMP and Wrath of Kahn. I held off on purchasing the DVD 20-disc collectors set with the anticipation of a HD version to come.

Do the Blu-Rays of the first six films contain all the extras from the DVDs (save for the Director's Cuts)? Will there be new alternate cuts of III - VI as well in the coming future? Will there be an upcoming set this fall containing all 10 Star Trek features as well as the new JJ Abrahms version?

I'm not "in the know" when it comes to Trekker merchandise, but I love these movies and I want to feel that if I'm going to double-dip that I'm not getting the same supplements on the next go-round. Does anybody have any insight on future BD Trek releases coming out by year's end?

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First of all, let me clarify... this is listening to the audio through my small LCD HDTV set (19" or so). So the Blu-ray player is converting to analog and then output through the TV into my small set of speakers. I'm not saying there is a problem, but was more curious to see if anyone else had experienced this. Though maybe it had just been lost in the din of DNR/picture issues...

I probably won't get a chance to really spin these up on the big screen with full sound until this weekend or later... but I've been dying to check them out.

One thing I didn't know was that every movie has a new commentary track. Many of them seem to involve people who have worked in the production of the Star Trek universe, but not in particular on the film they are commenting on. I find this to be an interesting tactic, and look forward to hearing what they have to say.

Tonight I listened to the new Star Trek II commentary with the director and I believe a writer from Enterprise. I thought it was a great listen. I hope the others are as entertaining... commentaries are one of my favorite extras.

I also would like to say I LOVE the packaging. I wish every movie series would release in these thin Blu-ray cases... they blend perfectly on the shelf if you leave them out of the box. However, the box is also of excellent quality and easy to get into. Works great either way, and I really appreciate Paramount's efforts to improve the packaging and not force me into funky, difficult to open bulky sets. I definitely would have preferred the original artwork on the front of the cases, but given how nice this is I feel that's a nit-pick. I also wish they hadn't stuck the security thing to the bottom... makes it not stand right and I ripped the bottom of the box trying to remove it carefully. Man, I hate those things... couldn't they stick them to the paper info sheet that goes on the outside?

STII's picture quality looked unbelievable on the small display. The color timing differences didn't stick out as much as I thought they might; scenes with red alert were still plenty red and it didn't look like the whole picture was blue as I feared. I'm not sure if it's "correct", but it sure does look great (again, at least at this size).

For all those worried about them releasing better versions soon, I seriously doubt it. They're not going to remaster these over again to put out with the new movie Blu-ray or anything. I would think the most you could hope for would be a 10 movie set with the next generation films all together. But I would actually prefer a separate box for these, as it's a very nice breaking point.

Overall, I feel for the $13-15 a movie price this is a great set. I applaud all the people that are pushing for better image quality, and hope to reap the benefits of their complaints when Paramount releases the inevitable remasters in a few years (with the next Trek film?). But until then, I really think these will do the job nicely.

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Well my impatience won out over Amazon I'm afraid. Best Buy had two sets, now they have one.

I had time to sample through all of the discs, and while there is a level of DNR applied to all the movies, it isn't as bad on IV as the screencaps suggest. This is definitely a case where screencaps do not tell the whole story. Compared to the rest of the films, it does get borderline excessive however. If they had only dialed it back a notch or two it would be much better.

I am very pleasantly surpised at how ST:TMP came out. II is the only one we were told was restored, but TMP is so clean compared to the DVD and other sources I've seen, Paramount at least sprang for a virtually spotless print and/or some digital dirt removal. I counted very few specs. And the black levels are fantastic. That's one thing I didn't like about the Director's cut. Blacks were too gray....especially during the overture.

The rest of the films are just as others described for the most part. I also feel the look of the parts 3-5 have a lot to do with the time period and film stocks in use. I do not know if remastering is going to make much of a difference here.

What I am disappointed with the most are the player generated subs. Too bad they didn't do something similar to The Godfather. That would have been a real treat.

I have detected no problems with audio, by the way. The TrueHD tracks are no louder or softer than others I have listened to. I kinda wish I had a seven speaker system now, though.

I watched the entire Captain's Summit last night! These guys could have talked and talked forever and I would listen. Too bad Shatner still didn't clarify why he never watched an entire episode of TNG all the way through. He came so close.