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If you have a PS3 (needs the very latest firmware) you need to delete the bluray data folder entry for ST6 on the hard drive then menu's are fine as it redownloads it from Sony servers. Could not find that tribute at all so would love to know where it is!

You probably also need the latest firmware for your BD player(s) as this uses the newest BD+. If your using a PC to watch them you will also need the latest gfx card drivers as well as the very latest update to your software player as those will contain the newest HDCP keys. PowerDVD7 still has no update so refuses to play it but PowerDVD8 & 9 as well as WinDVD9 do play it properly once updated.

Then your finally good to go!!!

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Would not worry about the TNG films you see some glimpses on the supplements they look good in places!
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I dunno. I'm half way thru STTMP and I think it looks and sounds fantastick on my 65" SONY. Tons better than the DVD. Beautiful.

Im glad I decided to pick up this set.

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Let's not take this too far here.

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And the Horner featurette, that's a big plus to me.

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BTW, at my local Best Buy, they had the Theatrical set mis-labeled for $69.99, which they honored, and with a $5 coupon, paid $65 for this set. Sweet!

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My Best Buy in Sunrise, Fla (near Ft Laud) had stand up displays with the 6 movie set and the 3 movie set and the 'best of' sets.

They only had 2 of the 3-packs left and I had some old standard DVDs unopened that I bought from them a while back. The lady was nice enough to give me store credit and i got the 3-pack for a pittance. Going to start watching them tonight.

they're worth it if they're basically free---that's for sure!!!

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Okay, my curiosity got to me and I checked out the Star Trek 2 disc.

The Ricardo Montalban tribute is there. I scrolled to Extras. In there you scroll down to "Farewell". It's there.

And for James Horner, select Production and its the last doc called Composing for Genesis.

I'll hold off watching the movies till later though.

The menu design nice! And since I only popped in Star Trek 2, I assume each movie will have the trailer for the 2009 Star Trek film come up? And the commercial for the TOS BD set too!

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Okay, I could not resist. I took a quick look at Star Trek The Motion Picture. My favorite that's tied with Trek 2.

Am I nuts or is the Overture music sounding slightly different? Maybe it's the enhanced fidelity or it's an alternate take. It sounds like I am hearing more instruments right at the beginning. (I don't have 7.1 capability and listened in 5.1 DD)

As far as PQ goes, I am viewing on a 50" plasma in a very bright room with lots of natural day light. So I can't do critical viewing till the evening. But what I can see looks really nice! I can see the threads in the fabric of the uniforms. The ensign on the Enterprise who first greets Kirk and Scotty really stood out in terms of color and detail on his uniform. Kirk's Admiral uniform too! You can see the threads on the Arrowhead emblem embroidery and the rank braids and how well they match those used in TOS!

If the faces look waxy from DNR, it's hard for me to tell. Though I've only sampled a small bit.

The opening Klingon shots I'll have to wait till it's dark, but those effects shots look brand new as does the Klingon bridge! Matte cut out lines still there, but less obvious. The image is higher contrast then the SD-DVD.

The Enterprise fly-by is beautiful!! It looks like I'm actually seeing the model. I also can see that the V'Ger cloud has color in it! Some greens and reds! The SD-DVD has none of this.

I only watched it up to when Kirk comes to the bridge. The bridge looks fantastic! The costumes look fantastic. I really mourn the fact that the following films did not maintain this high level and the BD really highlights how good the first film is in terms of production design.

Okay, I'll have to make time and watch these.

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I decided to keep the boxed set.

I made a phone call to a friend who has the set and has watched it.

He feels that while all the transfers outside of KHAN don't fully live
up to their potential, at least the transfers still look (and especially
sound) better than their DVD counterparts.

It will be at least three years if not more until these are remastered
properly. At best, to coincide with the release of the new Star Trek
movie sequel (and that is purely speculation).

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That's my best guess, as well.....as studios always want to release with a tie-in if possible.

On any rate, I'm just going to rent them. The first movie should be in my mailbox right now...

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It's the surrounds... they are swapped Left for Right. ;-)

Brian

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A very good summary of the situation IMO.

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How is Wrath Of Khan's sound mix?

Is it the same dialogue leaking into the left and right channels (Pro Logic style) like the DVD or is it truly discrete this time?

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I hope the Directors/Special Editions come out sooner then 3 years!

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Well wouldn't directors cuts coming out and really new transfer really be different things? I think they could put out the directors cuts using mostly the current transfers.

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Yeah I wonder why that is... bottom line Paramount always tries to do it on the cheap with Trek..even thou they charge a premium.. even thou they have a film that just grossed 80 mill in 3 days. I too have put them in my BB Queue, I have my BR on a 46" Bravia, but believe me I can tell a good transfer from a bad. I'll live with the excellent upconversion my player does. Are the Blu Rays better probably so they just ain't 80 bucks better.

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Well, I picked up the set...

Ya know I don't understand the complaints about the transfer for Star Trek IV looking a little soft and a little too dark. Donald Peterman was the DP on IV and a lot of his films from the 80s (Cocoon, Splash, Flashdance, Gung Ho, and Planes, Train & Automobiles to name a few) have the same look... soft lighting, very dark blacks. Overall a very good representation of the film.

I have a bigger problem with this set... I don't think this set has been DNR'd to death, but there is definitely A LOT of compression artifacting or something funky going on. As an example look at Star Trek III during the "Enterprise Escape from Spacedock" scene, especially the bridge scenes... You will see what looks to be a lot of grain in the film... okay, no problem.

Upon closer inspection you'll notice the grain is stagnant and doesn't move at all... Then suddenly a character will get up or turn his head and suddenly the grain moves with the person's movement on screen... almost like the characters are performing in a vat of some gelatinous liquid.

Film grain doesn't do that, it's part of the film structure. This is obviously some video noise added by something that has been done to the film... maybe it's an after effect of DNR, but I've never seen a heavily DNR'd film (like Patton or The Longest Day) react like this. Also III & IV look very sharp, so I don't think DNR is the culprit.

NOTE: On another board someone said it looks like temporal motion compensation may be the culprit of this issue.

Yancy

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Interesting reviews from those that have picked up the sets. Brave souls! Keep them coming.

I have a hard time believing Paramount will wait 3-5 years to reissue the Trek films on blu ray. I'm guessing it will be just a matter of months.

Remember this is a studio that loves to reissue these. Recall the DVD release schedule anyone?

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I wouldn't be suprised if there was another version within a year but I doubt it would be a new set of transfers that soon - likely just some repackaging or added extras.

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The one with about five years between versions of The Undiscovered Country?

Even The Wrath of Khan took about two years to be rereleased. "Months" is optimistic. I think 2-3 years sounds about right.

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I bought the trilogy today and everything I've read indicated that these movies had TrueHD tracks, but all I'm able to find is the standard DD 5.1 EX track on Star Trek 2. The disc defaults to Dolby digital and there's nothing in the menu indicating a high res audio track. Does the trilogy contain different specs than the complete set? I'm going to be ticked off if there is. Has anyone else experienced this?

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Well, I figured out what happened. The wonderful people at Target put all the standard dvd's in the blu-ray sales slot, because they didn't have any blu-rays in stock. Very thoughtful of them.

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The DVD has a taller, DVD-sized digipak versus the shorter Blu-ray digipak with a Blu-ray border on top.

I had to listen to that Search For Spock commentary (which I'm listening to as I type this and it's one of the best commentaries I've heard. It's fantastic! I was kind of shocked to hear about the idea of recycling dog poo into cheeseburgers, though.

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It's a good thing I decided to hold off on buying the 6 movie set. No retailer in my local area (5 Wal-Marts, 2 Targets, Best Buy and 2 Hastings stores) got any Trek on BD... not even the 3 movie set, which I wouldn't buy anyway. Hastings didn't even get one set to use as rentals.

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I watched the first hour of Star Trek TMP.

It looks fantastic. Much more detail is visible and the color and image depth is really a huge jump from the SD-DVD of the Directors Cut. It's really a shame the Directors Cut is not included in this set.

As I mentioned earlier, the beauty of the sets, costumes and model work really shines. If this film has been DNR'd to death, I have no reference. I've never seen a BD that's been DNR'd that I know of. Shatner's face looks pretty natural as far as I can tell. Walter Keonig had a lot of make-up for some reason so his face always looked a tad pasty. Nimoy was aging a but faster and looks as I remember.

The use of split diopter lens are even more apparent because of the sharpness of the image.

The flat 2D artwork created for the V'Ger cloud sequences really pop now and has so much depth and color vibrance! After all these years of the early LD's and DVD, this is a real treat!

And there is quite a bit of grain during the V'Ger fly-by sequence and the darker shots on the bridge as the probe is doing it's thing before it zaps Illia.

I'm really enjoying this movie!

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Yep they are 6 different films - thanks for pointing it out. Some of the stories in the 6 are better than others but for the most part they are good.

I've only watched TMP so far and am happy with it.

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I understand where you're coming from Ron. I usually would have gone along with this myself, because we're not going to live forever, and you could go years without a film in your library waiting for that perfect release.

But then I thought about how much mileage I would get out of this set. Chances are I would watch them all now and then not again for a few years. Apart from the pleasures of ownership, there's no compelling reason for me to buy a set with what looks to me like a major disappointment in the image front. "Better than DVD" isn't what blu-ray should be about. I will NetFlix these, or perhaps eventually pick up a UK copy of Khan.

I've bought enough LDs, DVDs, HD DVDs, Blu-rays over the last decade or so that I have lost the taste to automatically upgrade titles unless they are special to me or well done. I don't feel the need to have this disappointing set on my shelves, though I don't knock those who do.