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post #481 of 1668
2/17/09 at 9:00pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

I'm pretty sure that the only difference between the the Special Edition DVD version and all previous video versions are the insert shots of the actual characters when Valeris is naming all the conspirators during the mind meld.

The scene where Colonel West proposes a rescue mission for Kirk and McCoy to the Federation President, the scene where Valeris, Scotty and Spock in the torpedo bay, just before the trial scene, discussing Gorkon's daughter being named chancellor, and the "Scooby Doo" ending were not in the theatrical cut, but in all subsequent video versions.
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post #482 of 1668
2/18/09 at 4:40am

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

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Originally Posted by Scott D S
From the Bits:

"The Star Trek VI Blu-ray and DVD from the Star Trek: Original Motion Picture Collection and Star Trek: Motion Picture Trilogy sets (due 5/12) will be presented at the original theatrical 2.35:1 aspect ratio, as newly approved by director Nicholas Meyer. The previous DVDs versions featured a 2.0:1 aspect ratio.
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How was the 2.0:1 frame composed?
Was the 2.35:1 opened up at top and bottom or were the sides cropped off to create 2.0:1?
IMDB says it was opened up but is that correct/true?
For the widescreen home video release the matte was opened up a little resulting in an aspect ration of 2:1 instead of 2,35:1. As the film was shot in Super 35 this means (in this case) that you actually see more of the picture than in theaters.
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post #483 of 1668
2/18/09 at 5:12am
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Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

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Originally Posted by RickardL
How was the 2.0:1 frame composed?
Was the 2.35:1 opened up at top and bottom or were the sides cropped off to create 2.0:1?
IMDB says it was opened up but is that correct/true?
For the widescreen home video release the matte was opened up a little resulting in an aspect ration of 2:1 instead of 2,35:1. As the film was shot in Super 35 this means (in this case) that you actually see more of the picture than in theaters.

In this case, I believe the IMDb is correct. Trek VI is the only Trek film shot in Super 35 (why?) and Meyer simply opened the frame up a little bit.

And new from the BBFC:

00:27:19:03 (PRODUCTION - CAPTAIN'S LOG)
00:23:52:01 (PRODUCTION - DESIGNING KHAN)
00:10:53:23 (PRODUCTION - ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS WITH DEFOREST KELLEY, WILLIAM SHATNER, LEONARD NIMOY, AND RICARDO MONTALBAN)
00:18:12:12 "WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE" - THE VISUAL EFFECTS OF STAR TREK II THE WRATH OF KHAN
00:09:05:15 (PRODUCTION - JAMES HORNER: COMPOSING GENESIS HD)
00:10:34:04 COLLECTING STAR TREK'S MOVIE RELICS
00:28:53:13 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - A NOVEL APPROACH)
00:02:56:11 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - STARFLEET ACADEMY SCISEC BRIEF 002: MYSTERY BEHIND CETI ALPHA VI HD)

(The above features are for Star Trek II and I was hoping some of them would be re-edited. The quality of the special features for Treks II and III leave much to be desired. There's good material but the production quality is subpar: shaky camera, interviews shot in close-up, white balance problems, etc. When they got to Trek IV, it was obvious they went with a different production company.)

00:27:29:00 FUTURES PAST: A LOOK BACK (FEATURETTE)
00:07:22:23 (PRODUCTION - AT LAST) (FEATURETTE)
00:04:11:09 (PRODUCTION - DAILIES DECONSTRUCTION) (FEATURETTE)
00:11:41:20 (PRODUCTION - BELOW-THE-LINE: SOUND DESIGN) (FEATURETTE)
00:05:51:08 PAVEL CHEKOV'S SCREEN MOMENTS (FEATURETTE)
00:11:11:22 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - TIME TRAVEL: THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE) (FEATURETTE)
00:05:28:17 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - THE LANGUAGE OF WHALES) (FEATURETTE)
00:07:47:13 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - A VULCAN PRIMER) (FEATURETTE)
00:08:17:11 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - KIRK'S WOMAN) (FEATURETTE)
00:09:44:03 STAR TREK: THREE PICTURE SAGA (FEATURETTE)
00:05:22:24 STAR TREK - FOR A CAUSE (FEATURETTE)
00:09:22:04 STARFLEET ACADEMY SCISEC BRIEF 004 (FEATURETTE)
00:14:39:24 FROM OUTER SPACE TO THE OCEAN - THE VISUAL EFFECTS OF STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME (FEATURETTE)
00:02:46:07 (VISUAL EFFECTS - THE BIRD OF PREY) (FEATURETTE)
00:15:36:24 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - LEONARD NIMOY) (FEATURETTE)
00:14:30:07 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - WILLIAM SHATNER) (FEATURETTE)
00:12:59:15 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - DEFOREST KELLEY) (FEATURETTE)
00:08:15:13 (TRIBUTES - RODDENBERRY SCRAPBOOK) (FEATURETTE)
00:12:41:17 (TRIBUTES - FEATURED ARTIST: MARK LENARD) (FEATURETTE)

00:26:29:21 THE PERILS OF PEACEMAKING (FEATURETTE)
00:09:42:02 IT STARTED WITH A STORY ('STORIES FROM STAR TREK VI' FEATURETTE)
00:04:58:15 PREJUDICE ('STORIES FROM STAR TREK VI' FEATURETTE)
00:05:53:19 DIRECTOR NICHOLAS MEYER ('STORIES FROM STAR TREK VI' FEATURETTE)
00:05:48:24 SHAKESPEARE & GENERAL CHANG ('STORIES FROM STAR TREK VI' FEATURETTE)
00:23:22:18 BRINGING IT TO LIFE ('STORIES FROM STAR TREK VI' FEATURETTE)
00:06:59:23 FAREWELL & GOODBYE ('STORIES FROM STAR TREK VI' FEATURETTE)
00:09:29:01 CONVERSATIONS WITH NICHOLAS MEYER ('THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE' FEATURETTE)
00:20:41:17 KLINGONS: CONJURING THE LEGEND ('THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE' FEATURETTE)
00:04:49:03 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - FEDERATION OPERATIVES) (FEATURETTE)
00:06:01:23 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - PENNY'S TOY BOX) (FEATURETTE)
00:04:52:15 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - TOGETHER AGAIN) (FEATURETTE)
00:04:42:10 TOM MORGA - ALIEN STUNTMAN ('THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE' FEATURETTE)
00:22:03:24 TO BE OR NOT TO BE: KLINGONS AND SHAKESPEARE ('THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE' FEATURETTE)
00:02:28:00 (THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE - STARFLEET ACADEMY SCISEC BRIEF 006: PRAXIS)
00:13:15:23 (FAREWELL - DEFOREST KELLEY: A TRIBUTE) (FEATURETTE)
00:05:01:02 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - WILLIAM SHATNER)
00:06:22:10 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - LEONARD NIMOY)
00:04:59:04 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - DEFOREST KELLEY)
00:05:29:10 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - JAMES DOOHAN)
00:05:35:13 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - NICHELLE NICHOLS)
00:05:24:11 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - GEORGE TAKEI)
00:05:27:10 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - WALTER KOENIG)
00:05:03:02 (ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS - IMAN)
00:04:45:10 (PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL - 1991 CONVENTION PRESENTATION BY NICHOLAS MEYER)

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Originally Posted by Mark Hawley
I'm pretty sure that the only difference between the the Special Edition DVD version and all previous video versions are the insert shots of the actual characters when Valeris is naming all the conspirators during the mind meld.

In addition, I believe there might be a shot added of Scotty in the officer's lounge looking at the ship blueprints. And for McCoy's line, "And what do you think you've been doing?" Meyer added a close-up of DeForest Kelley in place of the wide shot of the bridge. And now that I think of it, Meyer did the same thing for Kirk's line, "My personal log was used as evidence against me" switching out a wide shot for a close-up of Shatner, and I think he delivers the line differently, too.
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post #484 of 1668
2/18/09 at 8:32am

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Hawley
I'm pretty sure that the only difference between the the Special Edition DVD version and all previous video versions are the insert shots of the actual characters when Valeris is naming all the conspirators during the mind meld.

That's the most obvious and biggest change Meyer did amongst the other little tweaks he did for the most recent SE DE SD-DVD release. When I first saw it, the added faces and music cue gave me chills. The musical cue was scary! But it was a total waste of added material. Meyer is a smart guy and he doesn't pander. He knows we're a smart audience too. So I am surprised he added those shots. Perhaps over the years, he felt the ending needed clarity.
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post #485 of 1668
2/18/09 at 10:21am

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Perhaps over the years, he felt the ending needed clarity.

Maybe so. Personally, I've always had a hard time hearing Spock and Valeris when they say Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"Romulan Ambassador Nanclus"
at the same time - they kind of mumble it together. It actually took me several viewings to finally make out what they heck they said. Especially since you only hear that name only one other time earlier in the movie.

But then once I got the name, it was no big deal and the flashbacks added later on the SE DVD are redundant.

About the 2.0:1 framing of the DVDs, and the laserdiscs before it (which was more like 1.8:1), I'd heard back when the LD was released that some of the sides are cropped as well - although not by much. But then, not having a reviewable 2.35:1 version to compare, that info could have been wrong.
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post #486 of 1668
2/18/09 at 2:16pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

Well, I'm vewwy happy that we're gonna see STVI in 2.35 at last. People keep wondering what changed Meyer's mind, but perhaps he relented because it's the theatrical cut. A subsequent 'Director's Cut' version will give Meyer the opportunity to change the ratio as he sees fit.
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post #487 of 1668
2/18/09 at 4:12pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

Great news. Can't wait.
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post #488 of 1668
2/18/09 at 4:37pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

The added shots of all the conspirators in VI actually does kind of bug me; it by no means ruins the movie, but it does kind of mess up the rhythm of that scene, I think.

The "Scooby Doo" ending never bothered me all that much, and I had just accepted it as part of the movie. I heard (but am not sure, of course) that it was cut at the request of Gene Roddenberry, but then restored on video at the request of Nicholas Meyer. But just recently I watched the theatrical cut again (recently made available on iTunes), and I realized how well the movie flowed without those scenes. The scene with Scotty, Spock, & Valeris in the torpedo bay is also kind of superfluous (even though it does provide additional setup for the whole, "A lie?"..."A_blank_" business).

So I can take or leave the added footage in the original video version of VI. I like it and the theatrical about the same. But I agree it would be nice to have all the versions on Blu-Ray. But, as has been stated elsewhere, I'm sure the video version (the '92 one, anyway, and most likely the '03 tweaks, too) was edited in the standard definition realm, and would require some additional work to prepare for HD.
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post #489 of 1668
2/18/09 at 4:53pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

All this talk about ST 6. I never really thought it was that good of a movie. Meyer to me only directed two good movies, Time After Time & ST2. But otherwise not much there. I never liked his suddle changes like its a submarine with pots & pans.
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post #490 of 1668
2/19/09 at 2:58pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan Tuck
The added shots of all the conspirators in VI actually does kind of bug me; it by no means ruins the movie, but it does kind of mess up the rhythm of that scene, I think.
I reckon those inserts would've been okay on their own, as the reveal of the conspirators isn't particularly overt in the other versions (as mentioned previously in the thread). But the accompanying sound effect is just ridiculous, and it works against the tense, intimate nature of Spock's 'interrogation' of Valeris.

I love all the TOS movies dearly and it was always gonna be a massive treat to get them in HD, but the news about Undiscovered Country just keeps getting better and better. It's now the one I'm most jazzed about seeing.
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post #491 of 1668
2/20/09 at 5:12pm

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I will be picking up the Trilogy set. Films 2, 3 and 4. I will wait on TMP, V and VI as different versions of 2 of those films will be coming in another year or so.

Looking forward to seeing the work that they did on Khan. That was my introduction to Star Trek. Thanks Mom!

I'm glad to see CBS getting things right on the Original Series tv box sets as well. Including both the Remastered and original FX versions. I will pick up all 3 seasons of those.

Something that Paramount could learn a lot from on their film releases. Include both versions...

Nice to hear the TNG films are coming later in the year as well! I will pick all of those up except the dreadful Nemesis. I was checking my watch in the theater on that one. It could not end soon enough!!!
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post #492 of 1668
2/20/09 at 6:14pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

Quote:
Originally Posted by RickardL
How was the 2.0:1 frame composed?
Was the 2.35:1 opened up at top and bottom or were the sides cropped off to create 2.0:1?
IMDB says it was opened up but is that correct/true?
For the widescreen home video release the matte was opened up a little resulting in an aspect ration of 2:1 instead of 2,35:1. As the film was shot in Super 35 this means (in this case) that you actually see more of the picture than in theaters.

The 2:1 framing was all over the place, on both DVD widescreen versions.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...ml#post3498443
I did a number of screen comparisons a few years ago.
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post #493 of 1668
2/21/09 at 10:47am

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Oddly the Amazon prices didn't undercut the MSRP by as much as folks thought they would.....


1-6 set MSRP $104.95-----Amazon $97.99 Not bad not the $80 some thought it might be.

2-4 set MSRP $48.99------Amazon $45.99 $3 less???

Oh well still nice prices $15 & $16 per movie !!!

And Amazon shows the MSRP as higher than the original announcement did.

Rechecked the numbers--it seems they changed already.
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post #494 of 1668
2/21/09 at 11:01am

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I bet Amazon will lower the price by release day. They have been starting out with higher prices lately then over time they get lowered.

Edit: WOW I didn't realize how much they raised the MSRP (as shown on Amazon). I take back what I said as I thought it was just a case of amazon only showing 10% or 20% off where it ends up being 30-35% off on release day. The MSRP going up by $35 certainly sours the deal a lot. DVD Empire has the MSRP at $168!!!!! How can the supposed MSRP be so many different things? $105, $140, and $168

Maybe all the positive comments about the originally announced priced went to Paramounts heads.
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post #495 of 1668
3/1/09 at 6:10pm

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One thing I dont understand:

If these DVDs will have the original audio commentaries that were used for the previous Star Trek II and VI DVD releases, wouldnt there be a significant sync problem if these are now used for the blue ray theatrical cuts?


If they tried to edit the commentaries, ie add dead space, trim dialog, re-shuffle etc it would be just too jarring. I actually don`t mind TMP theatrical being released as it was never was on DVD before. But does this mean for Star Trek VI, there will be no Colonel West etc, or is it only what Meyer added to the previous DVD that will be left out? Like the flashback shots of the conspirators and the extended Starfleet headquarters scene. If so we are NOT getting the theatrical cut of Star Trek VI on this blue ray release afterall. We would be getting the extended home video version that has been available for years (on VHS and original DVD) albeit with the corrected aspect ratio.
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post #496 of 1668
3/1/09 at 6:25pm

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Originally Posted by Paul Pro
One thing I dont understand:

If these DVDs will have the original audio commentaries that were used for the previous Star Trek II and VI DVD releases, wouldnt there be a significant sync problem if these are now used for the blue ray theatrical cuts?

If they tried to edit the commentaries, ie add dead space, trim dialog, re-shuffle etc it would be just too jarring.
That's probably what they're going to do, though. It wouldn't be the first time a company's done it, either (Terminator 2).
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post #497 of 1668
3/2/09 at 8:36am

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It's now official........

The British Film Board has listed the new running time (for their PAL video system) as 105 minutes and 22 seconds. 3 minutes and 17 seconds shorter than the previous version.

They will have removed the Col West rescue proposal, The Spock, Valeris & Scotty scene in the Torp bay and the unmasking of Col west---all of which WERE NOT in the theatrical. Also they are removing the few slight changes from the 2002 release that were 4 seconds more than all the other video releases.

Our U.S. video length will be right around 109 minutes 50 seconds.

Bring on the double-dip----I ain't buying this. They can seamlessly branch dozens of changes over 29 episodes for a $100 or so Season 1 box set, but can't make two versions of Trek 2 & 6 that have a maximum of 8 changes (Trek 2) in a six movie set that costs a $100 or so????
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post #498 of 1668
3/2/09 at 9:28am

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As an aside, trekmovie.com reports that on the same day the Star Trek films are released on BD, they are also releasing an SE of Galaxy Quest. This film as many know has been called a loving parody and spoof of Star Trek and fandom.

Here is the official synopsis:

For four years, the courageous crew of the NSEA protector - “Commander Peter Quincy Taggart” (Tim Allen), “Lt. Tawny Madison (Sigourney Weaver) and “Dr.Lazarus” (Alan Rickman) - set off on a thrilling and often dangerous mission in space…and then their series was cancelled! Now, twenty years later, aliens under attack have mistaken the Galaxy Quest television transmissions for “historical documents” and beam up the crew of has-been actors to save the universe. With no script, no director and no clue, the actors must turn in the performances of their lives.

The special features included are:

Historical Documents: The Story of Galaxy Quest
Never Give Up. Never Surrender: The Intrepid Crew of the NSEA Protector Featurette
By Grabthar’s Hammer, What Amazing Effects Featurette
Alien School - Creating the Thermian Race Featurette
Actors in Space Featurette
Sigourney Weaver Raps Featurette
Thermian Audio Track
Deleted Scenes (Used on 2000 release)
Theatrical Trailer (Used on 2000 release)

It does not say it will be on Blu Ray. Here's the link to the trekmovie article, and it does have some new info on the Star Trek film blu rays too:

New Box Art Reveals Details For Upcoming Star Trek Blu-Ray Sets + Trek Parody Gets Deluxe DVD | TrekMovie.com
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post #499 of 1668
3/2/09 at 9:50am

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
As an aside, trekmovie.com reports that on the same day the Star Trek films are released on BD, they are also releasing an SE of Galaxy Quest. This film as many know has been called a loving parody and spoof of Star Trek and fandom.

Yes, and I am actually quite upset that it isn't receiving its own BD release.
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post #500 of 1668
3/2/09 at 12:04pm

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I would jump for joy if it was blu-ray but another dvd version who cares.
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post #501 of 1668
3/3/09 at 9:30am

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Well, it's also official.........

they have edited DOWN the original Meyer commentaries for this release.

Some will see this as good--getting two commentaries per movie (2-6), but I think this is another reason we'll never get the 3 Director's cuts in Blu-ray.

They have to have the financial incentive to go to the trouble of finding the film elements, cleaning them, re-mixing it to DDTrue7.1 and then adding more extras.

I think most trek fans have just about reached their limit in rebuying these.
I really don't think that they will gauge it profitable to re-release these again anytime soon (2-4) years.

I'm pretty pessimistic.
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post #502 of 1668
3/3/09 at 9:44am

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Camper
I really don't think that they will gauge it profitable to re-release these again anytime soon (2-4) years.

I'd say it hinges on the success of the reboot or reimagining or whatever it is. If it does well and there are sequels, voila out come director's cuts.
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post #503 of 1668
3/3/09 at 9:48am

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Yes, I agree. Based on history, there could be the eventual DC and SE's coming.
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post #504 of 1668
3/3/09 at 12:03pm

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Here's why I think we WON'T see Director's cuts of Trek 1, 2 & 6

Two factors are required, I think, for them to release these again---demand & profitability.

First on the demand:
Who's going to buy the May '09 release?

Folks who prefer the Theatrical cuts--a decent percentage 25-30% ?
Folks who don't much care since the differences are minor (for trek 2 & 6)
Folks who slightly prefer the DCs, but want Trek in blu-ray now
Folks who have the means to afford both releases with no problem (not me )

Who'll buy a future release?:

Folks with a lot of money
Folks who are ultra-completists despite any money factor &
Folks who strongly prefer the longer cuts & can't afford both-that's me-
(and yes Trek #1's Director's cut is 4 minutes longer than the theatrical, 136 vs 132)

Also add in the factor that as time goes by and prices on the first set decline or they have sales, some holdouts will break down & buy the first release.

Besides the 3 to 4 minutes of extra footage the DCs have, what else would they possibly offer that would make a repurchase likely?

For Trek 1- a few features left out of this first release: Making of, New trailer, Wise's commentary, etc. (Yes the original commentary for trek 2 & 6 are included in this release although edited down)
For Treks 2 & 6---maybe some deleted scenes---that they have been, up till now, unwilling to dig up & show us.

The profitability angle:
Paramount would have to find the original film elements of the scenes in question--8 in the case of Trek II, 3 in the case of Trek VI. (I assume they have the film elements for trek I since they did a recut in 2001 or so.)

Upgrade the FX for Trek I to 1080p (by whatever method required)
Clean up the new elements and master them in HD

Remix the sound in 7.1 Dolby for the new footage

Probably offer at least a few new features.

Considering how many units they would expect to sell among the people who would have waited or want to re-spend on another Trek movie release--would this be a good bet for paramount--especially in this economy?

There is the conficting factor that by adding many more new features to promote a re-sale also drives up the production of the new release.

I just don't see it happening.

I'm also not sure the fact of the new movie doing boffo box office will drive up the likelihood of a re-release......
If in May the movie is a super-hit, won't new & re-energized Trek fans just go the store and buy the currently available set? I can't see them getting excited and saying, "Boy I'm pumped, I can't wait to buy some future 'ultra director's set' not yet available!"

Lastly the assumption is, that the film elements for the extended scenes were not handy or easily available in time for this current release, & that begs the question....

why didn't they offer seamless branching of the 480p elements as an option?
I mean i have seen movies where the optimal original footage had been lost forever and they used B & W footage or 16mm elements (King Kong '33) or even storyboards.....
so why not just note in the menu that the film elements were not available but the longer version was viewable with lesser elements?

Ironically, the Original series box set, coming soon, includes the origianl FX---which are not going to look good compared to the cleaned-up live action--as an option via branching.
And a very evident fact after watching the HD-DVD version of Trek season one is that editor's and directors of the series back in the 60s often created close-ups from medium shots and medium shots from long shots...

So in other words there are jarring changes in the video quality within the episodes which are obvious by the huge amount of film grain in the 'zoomed in' shots.

I rather doubt they would have been nearly as noticable in the brief changes from 1080p to 480p in the two movies in question as people will see in the original series episodes coming in April.

holy cow, i think I need a rest after all that!
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post #505 of 1668
3/3/09 at 6:01pm

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I also believe the Director's / Special edition blu ray's are coming in the future. I bought the films on the first run, SE DVD, and now some of them again on blu ray. I have decided to just buy the Genesis Trilogy blu ray set.

Paramount is being disgraceful with their treatment of TMP for blu ray. Include both versions or don't bother. 5 and 6 are going to be reissued again in a SE or DC set in the future.

It's Paramount. We should all know the routine by now. Put out the first version get the fans to buy it. Then when those are done bring on the SE's and DC's.

I kind of repeat the same steps with the Bond films. They keep reissuing them over and over again as people buy them.

I don't think we have anything to worry about other versions coming to blu ray in the future.

Just my 2 cents.
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post #506 of 1668
3/4/09 at 12:42pm

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^^While I agree with you on the treatment of the Trek 1 Director's Cut---which they claimed was now the 'official' version--I still wish i had a buck for every knee-jerk, "They're going to re-release this soon in extended cuts."

They NEED to have any future release as profitable and if there's much expense at all in making the extended cuts--I think they're too cheap to spend it.

In other words--I think they may have finally reached the point of diminishing returns.

Also you said you you thought 5 & 6 would be re-released in the future--don't you mean 2 & 6? Trek 5 has only ever had one version.

By the way i'm also buying the trilogy and holding out forever on Trek 1 & 6 Director's versions. I will NOT buy those two in theatrical. Maybe i'll pick up trek 5 if it sells separately--for cheap.
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post #507 of 1668
3/4/09 at 1:34pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

I am going to buy this, but I agree with everyone who says Paramount should have included the extended versions via branching or separate discs for this release. The fact that TOS Season 1 has great features and alternate cuts only makes this more bewildering.

I will say however that the added scenes in Treks II and VI are really don't bring a whole lot to the table. The guy who played Peter Preston in II was an abysmal actor and I didn't like the alternate take of that scene at Regula I. And I'll finally be able to appreciate Star Trek VI without the scooby doo ending! I'll only double dip on TMP. Still, whoever made the decision to render the new effects for the Director's Edition in 480p needs to be fired!
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post #508 of 1668
3/4/09 at 4:31pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

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Originally Posted by Camper
By the way i'm also buying the trilogy and holding out forever on Trek 1 & 6 Director's versions. I will NOT buy those two in theatrical.
And I definitely WILL buy the theatrical cuts of those two - and thank goodness they are being made available... once again at least for Trek 1, and finally for 6.
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post #509 of 1668
3/4/09 at 8:10pm

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

SE of 5 and DC of 6. I can live with buying Wrath of Khan twice as that's my favorite and it's fine if I have 2 versions.

At this point with all of the other films coming this Spring. I may just hold off purchasing any of the films for a while.

I am most interested in TOS season 1.

I believe Paramount will be doing some SE / DC (whichever applies) to the films just as we saw with them on DVD.

Paramount loves to reissue Trek over and over again.
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post #510 of 1668
3/5/09 at 11:57am

Re: Star Trek films on Blu-Ray... what we know so far

I think all these posts help make my point that it's unlikely we'll see extended cuts...........

One guy's happy with the theatricals except for Trek 1.
another guy will rebuy Trek 2 cause that's his favorite
people expressing disdain for aspects of the extended cuts--acting, alternate takes used etc.

We're not talking Troy, The Abyss or Kingdom of Heaven 'change-wise' here....why would they bother to spend money to re-do and re-release movies that have the fans split anyway when we're only talking 3 minutes difference on Trek 2 & 6?

As far as most fans are concerned---"they've been released on Blu-ray---I'll buy them or i won't." Not too many are going to hold out for extended versions with 3 minutes of new footage.

That's why the branching was so needed for this first release.

Tim, I still don't know why you refer to the 'SE' of Trek 5. Trek 5 has always been only one version. The original release & the 'Collector's edition only differ in bonus material---not in the actual movie.
That's why I'd be happy to just pick up trek 5 when & if they sell the movies individually, because there in no 'Special Edition' to wait for. Paramount flatly rejected shatner's request for a re-cut with new FX of trek 5.
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