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No, he doesn't.

Dalek, of COURSE the footage is on film. But the alternate versions of the films were EDITED on video, and only exist in NTSC (the most recent version of VI being a possible exception). Putting the alternate cuts on Blu-ray would mean re-editing them from scratch in HD (or higher). Which is doable, but Paramount obviously doesn't want to go to the trouble on this release. Douglas' theory is sound.

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Camper- here's another thought. Paramount does the BD release of the theatrical cuts in May of this year.

Then later in the year when they release Star Trek 11 on BD, they release one Special Edition TOS film at or near the same time. Say the Holidays. Then in 2010 they release the next films over 3 or 4 month periods. This is how they released the last SE's of Trek. This will cut the cost of buying each disc as not everyone will want a box set. I for one will want a box set though! Maybe they could do what they are doing for the Bonds, 3 films at a time. But for Trek, maybe 2.

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I think a incremental release would be fantastic for the Director's cuts.....

they might have to put off Trek 1 though because of the FX situation or perhaps they could start in reverse order with Trek 6 as they did for DVD back in 1999. That would help the affordability situation and mantain a steady stream of interest as each new release came with presumably new extras

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True, but it depends on how that master used for the DVDs was created. They probably didn't re-edit using actual pieces of film but rather did it in the video realm for II and VI, kind of the situation with the TREK series like TNG, Voyager, DS9. Shot on film but edited together on SD video. Were the previous anamorphic SE dvds sourced from an HD master? We know that TMP was not.

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While I could see that possibly being the case for the original release of VI on tape, by the time of the Directors Editions they should've been mastering in HD. They'd been doing so on Enterprise for almost a year.

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Exactly that was the point I was making.

Doug

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According to those who worked on the project, the directors cut of TMP was not mastered in HD. As to the others, who knows?

Doug

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Knew that--I was specifically referring to II/VI, as in the post I quoted. (Especially II, which didn't add any effects work, unlike VI.) Though I guess that was hardly clear, since VI wasn't actually a Director's Edition.

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Two completely different divisions that more than likely never ever ever talked to each other. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

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Sky Movies in the UK have broadcast the longer version of Wrath of Khan in HD. Although overall it wasn't of the highest quality the added scenes didn't stand out as being poorer - so they are available in that films case.

They also showed the others, TMP was obviously the theatrical cut, as I believe was VI (although I admit I only watched it casually so can't be absolutely sure).

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Thanks for the heads-up about the extended director's cut of KHAN not being released on Blu-ray (I wouldn't have known otherwise). After putting off buying the DVD for years, I figured that now I'd just wait for the Blu-ray but I prefer the extended cut, and it seems that the DVD is now OOP (?)

So, I checked Borders and they had one copy of the DVD left on the shelf, so I got it.

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I actually prefer the theatrical cut of The Wrath of Khan, but I may be in the minority there. It wouldn't be the first time.

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Recently watched the Director's cut and was pleased that most of the added scenes were very clean----cleaner than the bulk of the movie as far as dirt, dots, specks etc.

So hopefully when and if they do the longer version they at least may have a pretty clean film source to transfer.

Can't wait for the reviews of the clean-up job for this first release. I hope they really get it up to near 5 star rating. Probably a little too much too hope for on a 1982 movie.

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Are there any websites that compare the different versions?

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I was thinking that we'd see the TNG films on BD when ST 11 hits dvd/BD. Well, hoping anyway, now that I know longer have any ST films in the collection. I just unloaded all of my ST dvd's. May can't get here fast enough! Any word on when we might see the press releases for both the films and TOS S1? I'm just curious as to how much Paramount is going to ream us for these. I'm guessing $150 for season 1 and another $120-$140 for the 6 films.

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Norm, I have yet to find a site that compares the different versions of each film. I'm looking though. There has to be one!

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Ok, Thanx Nelson.

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So do I.

(Well, I do like the extended sick bay scene.)

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I prefer the theatrical cut myself. I do like the fact that the extended cut explains the relationship of Peter to Scotty so we see the relevance of Scotty's loss but it was done so goofy that it makes me cringe at the same time.

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If they had trimmed or cut out just the part where he blurts out,
"....then he's as blind as a Tiberian bat, sir!!"

then the only quasi cringe inducing scene would be gone.

But do we really want to cut out every Trek scene that's a little poorly acted or scripted?

Overall, the additions are a net plus to the movie and some are downright great....

McCoy/Spock argument extension
Kirk/McCoy sickbay talk
Kirk/Spock 'human ego' bit
McCoy mentioning the glasses' history

hell anything with McCoy is usually gold.

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Norm and others, so far, my searches for websites that have comparisons of theatrical cut to extended cuts of the films has not been getting anything. For the most part, the only films that were drastically altered were Star Trek 2 and Star Trek 6. Not including Star Trek The Motion Picture because the tweaks were small. A few clips edited out and some reinserted here and there. The main changes were the added new CGI effects to complete the work.

I did find a transcript of the added footage with dialogue. It can be found here: TrekWeb.com - 'Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan' : Remembering the 'Extended Version'

I can past it here too, if it's not too much. If you know the dialogue of the theatrical cut, then you will be able to tell the new stuff. It's a lot, and I didn't write it, there are some typos:

1- KOBAYASHI MARU

SAAVIK : Data on Kobayashi Maru.

COMPUTER : Subject vessel is third class neutronic fuel carrier. Crew of 81, 300 passengers. Registrantion Amber Tau Ceti 4

SAAVIK : Damn.

2- KIRK'S APARTMENT

McCOY : Now you open this one.

KIRK : I'm almost afraid to. What is it ? Klingon aphrodisiacs ?

McCOY : No, more antiques for your collection.

KIRK : Well, Bones, this is charming.

McCOY : They're four hundred years old. You don't find many with the lenses still intact.

KIRK : What is it ?

McCOY : They're for your eyes. For most patients your age, I generally administer [instead of "recommend"] Retinax V.

KIRK : I'm allergic to Retinax.

McCOY : Exactly. Cheers.

KIRK : Cheers.

3 - ENTERPRISE ENGINE ROOM INSPECTION

(In addition to the extra footage, the footage at the end of this scene is a different cut than that seen in the original theatrical release of the movie.)

PRESTON : I believe you'll find everything ship-shape, Admiral.

KIRK : Oh, do you ? Dou you have any idea, Midshipman Preston, how many times I've had to listen to Mr. Scott on the comm, telling me his troubles ? Do you have any idea the ribbing I've had to endure in the officers's mess to the effect that the Enterprise is flying in a death trap ?

PRESTON : Oh, no, sir. This is the finest engine room in the whole Starfleet. If the Admiral can't see the facts for himself, then with all due respect, he's as blind as a Tiberian bat.



SCOTTY : Heh hmm !

PRESTON : Sir !

KIRK : Midshipman, you're a tiger.

SCOTTY : My sister's youngest, Admiral. Crazy to get in space.

KIRK : Every young man's fancy. I remember it myself. Well, Mr. Scott, are your engines capable of handling a minor training cruise ?

SCOTTY : Give the world, Admiral.

KIRK : Mr. Scotty, the word is given.

SCOTTY : Aye, sir.

McCOY : But, Admiral, how' bout [instead of "what about"] the rest of the inspection ?

KIRK : Later.

4 - TRANSMISSION FROM RELIANT TO REGULA ONE

CAROL : Commander Chekov, this is completely irregular. Who gave the order ?

CHEKOV : The order comes from Starfleet Command, Doctor Marcus. Direct from the general staff.



CAROL'S ASSISTANT : The civilian...

CAROL : Shh.....Genesis is a civilian project under my control.

CHEKOV : I have my orders.

5 - KIRK AND SAAVIK IN THE TURBOLIFT

(The scene of in the turbolift with Kirk and Saavik discussing the Kobayashi Maru is different footage of the same scene in the 'Extended Version'. The dialogue is articulated differently.)

6 - SPACELAB REGULA ONE

(In addition to the extra footage in the end of the scene, the footage at the beginning is different from the cut used in the original theatrical version.)

CAROL : Starfleet has kept the peace for a hundred years. I cannot and will not subscribe to you interpretation of this event.

JEDDA : You may be right, Doctor, but what about Reliant ? She's on her way.



CAROL : Well....get your gear together where it's handy.

CAROL'S ASSISTANT : And where are we going ?

CAROL : That's for us to know, and Reliant to find out.

7 - GENESIS DISCUSSION IN KIRK'S QUARTERS

McCOY : Not anymore. Now we can do both at the same time. According to myth, the Earth was created in six days. Now watch out ! Here comes Genesis. We'll do it for you in six minutes !

SPOCK : I do not dispute that in the wrong hands...

McCOY : In the wrong hands ? Would you mind telling me who's the right hands, my logical friend. Are you by any chances in favor of these experiments ?

KIRK : Gentleman, gentleman, this isn't...

SPOCK : Really, Doctor McCoy, you must learn to govern your passions. They will be your undoing.

8 - ENTERPRISE SICKBAY

(In the theatrical version, there is a minor rearrangement of dialogue.)

PRESTON : Is the word given, Admiral ?

KIRK : The word is given. Warp speed.

PRESTON : Aye...

SCOTTY : Oh, why !

KIRK : He wants to kill me for passing sentence on him fifteen years ago, and he doesn't care who stands between him and his vengeance.

McCOY : I am sorry, Scotty.

SPOCK (on itercom) : Admiral, this is Spock.

KIRK : Yes, Spock.

SPOCK (on intercom) : Engine room reports auxiliary power restored. We can proceed at impulse power.

KIRK : Best speed to Regula One. Kirk out. Scotty...I have to ask. Is there any chance of getting the mains back online ?

SCOTTY : I do not think so, sir. but you'll have my best. Thanks, I know you tried, Doctor. (Scotty leaves Sickbay)

KIRK : You alright ?

McCOY : I don't know. Doctors lose patients sometimes. Dammit, I'm still in the dark. How he knew about Genesis ?

KIRK : I don't know, but what's important right now is to prevent him from getting his hands on it. You said yourself. It's a bamg that could rearrange the universe.

McCOY : There still may be time. You gave as good as you got.

KIRK : We're alive only because I knew something about these ships that he didn't.

9- TURBOSHAFT

SPOCK : They are inoperative below C-Deck.

KIRK : What is working around here ?

SPOCK : Not much, Admiral. We have partial main power.

KIRK : That's it ?

SPOCK : Best we could do in two hours.

KIRK : That young man is my son.

SPOCK : Fascinanting.

10 - ENTERPRISE BRIDGE UPON APPROACH TO MUTARA NEBULA

KIRK : They just don't want us to going in there.

SAAVIK : Admiral, what happens if the Reliant fails to follow us into the nebula ?



SPOCK : I think we can guarantee that she will follow us, Lieutenant. Remind me to explain to you the concept of human ego.

KIRK : Best speed, Scotty.

SPOCK : One minute to nebula perimeter.

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ST2 DE.

This extra bit:

KIRK : That young man is my son.

SPOCK : Fascinanting.

Where Spock/Kirk are racing towards the bridge is my favorite addition. Why on earth they cut it in the begining is crazy as its about 20 secs at most and adds a little more character to Spock (not that its needed) but the way Nimoy spits out the line is funny.

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That list is mostly accurate except that it is more specific to the 'ABC cut'

The Kobyashi Maru & Kirk/Saavik turbo-lift scenes were not added for the Director's---all the others were.

Also some of the dialogue shown if for 'framing purposes---to indicate where they belong in the movie---so not every line listed there is added, some are on the original cut as well.

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I'm mainly looking for the difference cuts in the Klingon / VGer attack. Wise cut that down which I think was a mistake.

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On TMP. I recently watched the Director's Cut again. When finished I went back and watched some of the trims and outtakes on disc 2. Wow. I really haven't watched the theatrical cut of TMP since before 2001 or so. I really feel they are doing a disservice to Robert Wise and the fans by releasing the theatrical cut on blu ray.

As many may or may not recall, the 1979 version of the film was rushed to theaters without a final edit, sound mix, and effects were unfinished. This is what was released into theaters in 1979. An unfinished movie that some could almost say borders on a work print. The Director's cut is the finished product that Wise was prevented from releasing in 1979 and it is much better than the theatrical version in a number of ways.

In 2000 or so Paramount corrected this oversight by allowing Robert Wise to edit his film, add the proper sound mix using the materials gathered during production of the film and lastly add the effects that were unfinished. Correcting errors such as slow overly long pacing (the overly long shots of V'ger that were unnecessary), and lines of dialogue that state the obvious ("We're out of it." - Chekov), shots that don't make sense (Spock shielding his eyes on Vulcan from a sun that isn't there).

Robert Wise intended that the Director's Cut be the ONLY VERSION of his film to be released and seen. I believe Paramount should respect his wishes and not release the film until it's been done properly. I don't think we should be asked to pay for the theatrical / work print on blu ray.

Needless to say, I won't be buying The Motion Picture on blu ray until Paramount can get it right.

Quote from Star Trek.com:
Q: Mr. Wise, were you surprised or disappointed that Paramount decided not to re-release the new edition of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" the way "Alien" or the old "Star Wars" trilogy were? Was [a theatrical release] supposed to happen at all?
JF, Montreal Canada

RW: My return to the picture was always intended as the final cut of the film, and for it to be released theatrically. Paramount offered to only support the project for home video, so given the options we accepted. I still believe that the film deserves a theatrical re-release, and that my team, David, Michael, and Daren need to be back at the studio to accurately restore and create the new negative I always intended. In the future, my "Director's Edition" should be the only version that people see, on film theatrically and video in the home.

Here's a link with Robert Wise's comments from 2003 as well:
STARTREK.COM*:*Transcript

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I wonder who will carry on his wishes now that he has passed. I don't think Paramount will follow through....at least not anytime soon.

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Sorry, but I won't buy it on BD unless the theatrical is offered. The DE can be offered too, but let those of us who like the theatrical to get a choice too, please.

Honestly, I've become a little sick of the DE over the years. There are some circles in the fandom that question how much say Wise actually had in the the final edit. That the DE was really more of a wet dream of Mike and Daren and that the contractual obligation to forgo availability of any other version was forced onto Wise. While the effort was worthy, some of the changes are too problematic for me to accept that Wise was completely involved in every choice. He may be more pleased with the DE than what premiered on December of '79, but I'm not. I never wanted the theatrical version to go away in lieu of the DE. Even Lucas gave in on Star Wars on that issue.

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Don't know if these have been mentioned and of interest


Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan (Blu-ray)
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Star Trek: The Voyage Home (Blu-ray)
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The Machine Girl (Blu-ray)
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Star Trek: The Search For Spock (Blu-ray)
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Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country (Blu-ray)
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From Play.com UK releases.

also from the bbfc
STAR TREK II - THE WRATH OF KHAN rated U by the BBFC

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Another site in the UK has the release date as April 27---so that site showing May 25 isn't very helpful--more confusing really.

Gotta hang on till the official announcement...............

What's the point of continuing the bickering about Trek 1 ?

Majority of folks prefer the DC, followed by those who prefer the Thearical & a small gruop who prefer the Special longer version.....

They couldn't have done branching for the DC & the Theatrical because of far too many changes and they didn't bother to cater to those who prefer the SLV.

If the rumors are right we'll get the Theatrical first---I never thought it was a good version so i won't buy it----and hopefully we'll get the DC later.

No point in arguing over the merits of director's cuts---they exist, will continue to be made and some folks will continue to turn their nose up at them as illegit.

Thank goodness for blu-ray where (most of the time) we can get multiple versions of the movies on a single disc.