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I love this prologue and have hung onto my old VHS tape to keep it.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6VkCW7...eature=related

Are you saying that it's been included on all UK DVD versions too? I might just pick one up (I have the R1 discs)

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It is a shame the directors cuts aren't coming out for these, Wrath of Khan is one of my favorite films and I enjoyed the additions. Still, it's good that the original versions will be preserved on Blu Ray.

Oddly, when Sky Movies showed the Trek films in HD it was the Directors cut of II that was on, although the quality wasn't as good as I'd expect from Blu. VI appeared to be the original version without the "Scooby Doo" ending.

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Someone needs to fill me in. What "Scooby Doo" ending????
I'm curious.

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The Klingon assassin at Camp Khitomer is revealed to be Colonel West (Rene Auberjonois' character) in a Klingon mask. That revelation was totally unnecessary since the conspiracy was a joint Federation/Klingon venture, so it makes sense to me that the assassin could be a genuine Klingon.

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Just checked for you as my brother owns a copy which contains it:

Star Trek 4: Voyage Home Se Dvd: Amazon.co.uk: William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, Catherine Hicks, James Doohan, George Takei, Walter Koenig, Nichelle Nichols: DVD

The 2003 SE 2 DVD release with the Silver slipcase cover.

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Hey, thanks for checking! Gosh, looks like I'm gonna be picking up the R2 DVD for the prologue and finally dumping my VHS copy.

I wonder why this was never included on the R1 special edition, if only as an "extra". It's quite an significant little addition, especially since it was narrated by "the man" Shatner.

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For the same reason we never get deleted scenes, its Paramount. But, unlike the deleted scenes, i didnt even knew it had a prolog for Europe.
Since it just brings us up to speed on the last few movies, and who these people are, well, id rather see deleted scenes!

But for you guys who only knew it this way, i can see why you want it. Bet you wont see it, since Paramount will most likely use the same Blu-ray (at the very least, the same HD transfer) for all the regions.

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Wow, is that what PAL speed-up sounds like?

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I certainly agree that both cuts should be offered for all those films.

However, calling Bill Hunt an idiot is a bit overboard, don't you think? The error was corrected... not a big deal.

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Yes, though it was rather more noticeable with the narration than normal. I don't know why.

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There's at least one reason for that. The Storaro films (like Apocalypse Now or The Last Emperor) were shot in anamorphic 35mm, so changing the aspect ratio for those titles on home video involved cropping the image -- not good. Star Trek VI was shot in Super35, so they're actually giving you a tiny bit more picture on the top and bottom of the frame rather than cropping anything.

When Paramount still had a presence on HTF, I asked about this on the Star Trek VI DVD, and they confirmed my suspicion that it was at the request of Nick Meyer, in order to more accurately represent the framing used for the film's 70mm exhibition. (Star Trek VI was one of the last films, I believe, to be screened in both 35mm and 70mm in its original release.) So that was the official story, back in the day at least.

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Ah yes.. the "joys" of the Super35 format. Josh is correct about Nick Meyer's official explanation. But forgetting that the aspect ratio on both DVD releases was not that of 70mm (the DVDs are closer to 2:1), there's also the question of exactly what part of the image was shown in those 70mm presentations? As can be seen below, that all depends on who is doing the transfer, and what they want you to see.


Is it this....



Or, is it this....



Super35: In some regards great in concept, but often messy in practice.

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Yes, I agree, I spoke too harshly. I guess I'm just extremely grumpy at all things STAR TREK in 2009...

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Only the guy who framed the lower shot gets his paycheck this week.

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Another cool (albeit minor) thing was that the prologue was preceeded by the 75th anniversary Paramount logo while the film proper was preceeded by the classic older logo. Take the prologue away and you just get the older logo which never seemed quite as exciting.

What's even weirder is that when it was released in Europe, or certainly in the UK, it was even re-titled to "The Voyage Home: Star Trek IV". The actual beginning of the movie had that as the title ("The Voyage Home" in a larger font and then "Star Trek IV" underneath) but this has obviously been changed because it's not represented in that YouTube clip.



Wow... the memories... :-)

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We should be so glad they are releasing the original versions...

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^^ NO...........

We should be annoyed they are setting up another double-dip AND cutting out footage from Trek 6 that has been in EVERY release since its first home video release..

You don't call the cutting out of footage that has been available on video for 18 years a victory.

They should do what EVERY OTHER studio is doing---release both versions via branching.

People celebrating the release of the shorter versions are just pitting fan against fan and gloating the version they prefer is going to be released.

It's exactly what Paramount wants. Hyping the fact that a previously unavailable version is now available and setting up a double-dip.

I much prefer the longer versions BUT I WANTED all versions released now to satisfy fans of all versions.

They are to be condemned not congratulated.

By the way on multiple polls in the Trek BBS forums the longer version of Trek 2 is preferred by about 70%

The shorter version ofTrek 6 has never been seen in the states since 1991 and I doubt many folks want 3 minutes cut out of the movie they've been watching for 18 years.

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Are we really at this again?


Yet not releasing the original theatrical version-the one that passed muster with the audiences originally-is okay?


On that we agree. Both versions should be available, but not just the extended cuts at the expense of the originals (or vice versa).


With all due respect, there's been no celebration. The only person making this into a holy war is you.


By this logic, based on the ratings American Idol gets, the only programming on television should be singing competitions. By this same logic, the only car companies should have been making for the last six or seven years were SUV's. That's not the way the world works.

Paramount is a company out for profit, not for our best interests.


Just because you don't know what you're watching is, quite frankly, wrong does not make it right. All we had seen for years were pan and scan versions of widescreen films. Does that make P/S right?

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You are clearly the one leading a holy war, by implying that the release of the version you prefer is a-okay in 2009 when we have this format that is easily adaptable to allowing multiple versions.

I would have been relieved but not happy if they had included only the longer versions, because i knew this would have diappointed many fans.

So your first point:
"...not releasing the theatrical version...is okay"

No it's not you mis-quote me

2nd point we agree---great

3rd point---I sense a certain amount of, if not gloating, cheering that a person's preferred version is coming out, without the slightest emapthy that other folks are being stiffed.

4th point discounting a poll by diehard Trekfans at the Trek BBS as similar to an American idol poll is wrong and just dishonest---these are fans who have seen both versions of (especially Trek 2) and prefer the longer version

5th point---your statement that the longer version of Trek 6 is

"...quite frankly, wrong..." is just non-sense and just plain arrogant and beneath you I think........

Neither version is 'WRONG' both are valid--it's just opinion.

I understand folks not liking the revised ending---it's a legit complaint---but it's only 14 seconds of the 3 min 26 sec added to the film.

Any Trek fan worth his salt can find 14 seconds (or 14 minutes) of the various trek movies that they dislike.

It IS Meyer's preferred version and it deserves to be seen.

I predict that if the new movie bombs OR that if they is ANY significant expense is involved with ever bringing the director's versions to Blu-ray---that Paramount will not release the longer versions and i hope we agree that that would be bad.

Also i predict that in any event it will be two additional years till we see any of the longer versions and perhaps never for the TMP DC

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Threads about Star Trek are more entertaining than Star Trek. I'm looking more forward to the people who freak out over the new movie than actually seeing the new movie.

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None of us have a vested financial interest in which version comes out. I happen to like any and all versions of the films. However, knowing what happened the the original cuts the first two times around and the original versions of Star Wars, I am more interested in preserving THOSE over tweaked cuts.


I've been on the BBS for at least a decade now and have come to take anything from there with a huge grain of salt. Those are the same people who freaked out when Sisko's name was omitted from the first Enterprise promo. The same people who wanted to castrate both Berman and Braga for the entirety of Enterprise. The same people who thought the addition of 7 of 9 was purely for story purposes.

Just because a very small segment of the hardcore fanbase prefer one cut over another doesn't mean: (1) average consumer cares and (2) the extended cuts aren't coming down the pike.


That's most certainly NOT what I said, my friend.

"Just because you don't know what you're watching is, quite frankly, wrong does not make it right."

Based on the original way the movie was cut and presented, every home video version over the last 2 decades has been incorrect. If all you ever saw was the television edit of TMP, does that make that the "right" version with all the cuts included? No, it doesn't. Same thing goes here. If all you've ever seen on home video was the extended version, that does not mean it's necessarily "right" from a historical point of view.

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Is there a website that compares the two versions of TMP?

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^^Glad we can please a sadist like you........

But on the subject.....

What is also annoying is that it looks like that at first the movies will be only released as a box set.

And unfortunately I can't afford to buy & re-buy these movies twice again---so i will have to hold off on Trek 3, 4, & 5 until the next box release or until they are released separately later. Does that help Paramount or do they think all trek fans are rolling in cash---I'm not, I've got 3 kids (who are big
trek Fans)

Also very few people noted this...........

The Director's/writers commentaries of trek 1,2 & 6can't be used for the shorter version and Paramount is promising new "Celebrity Fan' commetaries for the movies........!!!!

So instead of (not in addition to) Meyer's or Wise's commentary for a movie we'll get ..what...a Jason alexander commentary???

Is that an upgrade for the new format?

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As for the fans on Trek BBS-----yes a lot are kooks and not reasonable, but i think the majority are sane intelligent passionate fans whose opinion is valid---most of them. I DO DISPISE folks who blame Berman as if he were some devil---he produced a damn lot of quality Trek television.

I thought you meant the longer cut of trek 6 was 'wrong', but I guess you mean not having the theatrical version available is wrong--we agree on that.

I pray for the day when Paramount proves me wrong and releases the longer versions, but I'm getting older and poorer and I think it will be sometime if ever.

Also, if they later do release these first movies individually and i buy the movies that have one-version only and then come out with the longer versions ONLY IN A NEW BOX SET--I'll still have to wait again OR rebuy some of them.

this just can't be good for Paramount doing it this way....

Wouldn't this have been better...

"Paramount will be releasing the first 6 Star Trek movies on Blu-ray and in a first for the company, they will include multiple version via seamless branching..."

Wouldn't that have been an announcement we could all have gotten behind?

Peace.

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Dude, I don't know what in the world I did to piss you off so completely outside of a disagreement over some movies, but there's no reason for the personal attacks. None at all.

Know what? I am pleased. I am pleased the original version of the movies will be available in the best possible condition, unlike what Lucas did with the original cuts of Star Wars. I am pleased people will be able to see the old school effects and the way the story fit together without oogling the new and shiny stuff. I am pleased these will be out first, by themselves, to give them their due.

Most of all, I'm pleased Trek will finally be in high def (TOS S1 not withstanding). Why? I've been on the franchise bandwagon since 1984 when I was just 5 years old. I taped episodes first run on VHS. I had all the movies (fullscreen and widescreen). I had the 40 discs of TOS episodes and the single disc movies. I have the double disc films and TOS/TNG/DS9 sitting on my shelf.

If Paramount intends to bring the extended cuts out later this year, I'll buy those too to go along with what I will pick up in May. Outside of the double dip, there have to be reasons Paramount is not including the extended cuts on the same disc. I don't buy they're just after more money.

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Relax!!! that 'sadist' quip was a joke directed at that Travis guy who said the arguments and trek fans freaking out was more entertaining than the movies. You just jumped in with apost in-between mine & his..........I wouldn't make that quip about you concerning our diasagreemnet or seriously in any case.

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Oh man you just flooded me with memories about buying Trek

I first bought the TOS episodes on '2 per' VHS in 1986, I bought Treks 1-3 on VHS at least 3 times each, 4 & 5 once on VHS. Then I bought the TOS episodes on '2 per' Laserdisc (20 of the discs) Then I bought Trek 1-5 on laserdisc twice each P&S/widescreen Then Trek 6 on Laserdisc, then TOS on '2 per' DVD then Trek 2-6 on 'barebones' DVD then 1-6 on DE/CE DVD, then TOS season box sets, Then TOS season 1 HD-DVD.

Paramount may not be trying to bilk me....but they're succeeding anyway!!!

I really just wanted to buy the movies one more time--not twice or wait two years.

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I got that it was a joke as an outsider, but if you would have used the Quote button, it may have helped.

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^^I can't even spell--now I'm supposed to know punctuation etiquette?

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No, what I meant was use the box at the lower right of the post you're referring to that says, "Quote" when you reply so it will include the post in your reply. That way if other people post in between the time you start to type your reply and the time you actually post it, nothing gets mixed up.