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post #31 of 62

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my number 4 is out.
a few had him at #1 and at least one #2.
sorry mike.
post #32 of 62

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
my number 4 is out.
a few had him at #1 and at least one #2.
sorry mike.

I am lulling you with a false sense of security...
post #33 of 62
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Interesting. Exactly half of us had Marcus either winning or coming in second. So much for trying to figure this game out.



Only mike caronia remains below the "Dheiner Line" at 08.5 points so far.

Stay tuned....
post #34 of 62

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Originally Posted by RAF
So much for trying to figure this game out.


I submit that "figuring this game out" is near impossible, Robert.

Only because of unexpected random shuffles like what we saw last night. It creates situations that make the weak strong and the strong weak.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
post #35 of 62
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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
I submit that "figuring this game out" is near impossible, Robert.

Only because of unexpected random shuffles like what we saw last night. It creates situations that make the weak strong and the strong weak.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

It's interesting that you bring this up, because it reminds me of an issue that has been pointed out to me which will make this the last "Survivor" HTF Top Ten Challenge. What I'm about to say is not meant to reflect on anyone here but is just a reality of the situation. There are Survivor "Spoiler" Internet sites out there which give away "privileged" information. Because everything but the final show is already finished months in advance of the airing of the show it would not be impossible for someone to narrow down the finalists before we make our selections. And even the odds of which finalists become the eventual champion can be compromised because of this delay in airing.

Granted, we are not talking about any major prizes here (just a nice selection of DVDs to be determined in a couple of weeks as we get closer to the end) so I'm not really concerned about that. And, as I stated before, I'm not questioning the integrity of our membership in any way. But facts are facts, and any time that an event is over before you cast your votes there is room for speculation regarding the validity. I would doubt that there is any "serious" wagering going on regarding Survivor in Vegas or similar.

However, that in no way will affect any "live" show that occurs in real time or close to it. Specifically, "American Idol" is fresh each week so any "spoiler" sites would be based on rumors and not on facts. To me that's no different than handicapping. So what I'm trying to say is that I will be dropping "Survivor" from our Top Ten Challenges after this one ends for the reasons stated above. American Idol will still offer us a challenge and I might add another "live" show (like Big Brother) to our Challenge List if it doesn't interfere with American Idol. I just don't like to run more that one contest at the same time. I trust that everyone understands.
post #36 of 62

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That's too bad. But I guess it makes sense. This has been fun. And, I don't watch American idol.

Anyway, my comments above were mostly just a dig at the producers of Survivor that these random shuffles seem to take some of the spirit out of the game.

And the more they do it within a season, the more power they give to the element of chance--lessening predictability.
post #37 of 62

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While I personally don't read spoilers, from my understanding, this is the first season ever where there aren't any at all. I really do enjoy the HTF challenge and I'd rather see people who are suspect eliminated from future participation so that the rest of us can still have fun with it.
post #38 of 62

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thats too bad.
this is fun.
post #39 of 62

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Hey Robert! Maybe if you don't mind the effort...and still enjoy the contests...maybe you could continue them into the future without the prizes.

Why not?!? It's more about the fun (and bragging rights) anyway...

Give it some thought.

post #40 of 62

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Robert:

I've got a scoring question for you. I'll explain the question by stating a quasi-hypothetical.

I don't have Susie in my top ten. She is in my gang of four which were not expected to make the final ten. So, let's say she was voted off in the last episode (in 10th place) instead of Marcus. How many points would I receive?

It seems to me it can't be figured out because she was never assigned a numerical value in the "gang of four."

In the hypothetical she finishes in tenth place...but how can it be determined "how many away from 10" she is since I didn't label her #11 or #14 in my pecking order? If I had labeled her #11, I would have been assigned 1 point.

I have been over and over this in my head and cannot figure it out and yet I know you've been running these contests for awhile and must have some way of dealing with this.

Thanks!
post #41 of 62

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You don't get any points added to your score (which is "good") if Susie went home, as you pile up points when your other picks get dismissed "prematurely" in the overall game.
post #42 of 62

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RAF...giving me the jinx!!! haha

The first of the onion falls with Marcus..can Charlie and Corinne survive without him?!
Imagine a final 4 with Crystal, Sugar, Susie and Randy?
That would be hysterical.
Randy would possibly chop them with a machete for their incredible lack of skills. ha
post #43 of 62
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I would have absolutely no problem with continuing these Survivor Challenges without any "prizes" (as it is, 25% of us aren't eligible under the rules and it's only for bragging rights). It's just that with the spectre of "spoilers" in a contest that involves a non-current event - all bets would be off (in a manner of speaking).

As to the rules question posed by Mike F. (and already answered by Patrick): When a person who gets voted off is not on your top ten you don't receive ANY points. While this seems weird at first, remember that if Suzie is there, that means that someone you picked for the top ten ISN'T, so you've already taken a major (probably) point hit with that. This, to me, makes the contest even more intriguing. It's a lot closer than the current scores indicate. For example, those with four entrants gone already not only have a high total at this point but four "get out of jail free" cards. There are four "zeroes" in their future. The only other way to get a zero is to correctly predict a contestant's demise position. As the contest progresses, the gap will, therefore, shrink. The real premium in this contest is not to pick the top ten, but to pick the order of finish.

That's why these contests remain competitive down to the final weeks in most cases.

Yogi said it best, "It ain't over 'til it's over!"

post #44 of 62
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Another "bombshell" elimination as this week's episode kicked off another cast member who was a heavy favorite among many of our group.

What next?

post #45 of 62

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So there they were...voting for the #9 slot of elimination...and their choice was Crystal (my #9!)...or Charlie (my #1!)

You can imagine my cry of anguish when it turned out Sugar listened to Ken and voted against Charlie...

post #46 of 62
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
So there they were...voting for the #9 slot of elimination...and their choice was Crystal (my #9!)...or Charlie (my #1!)

You can imagine my cry of anguish when it turned out Sugar listened to Ken and voted against Charlie...


Ouch! I feel your pain. Charlie was my #2.
post #47 of 62
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A most interesting episode, and one of the funniest ones yet when all was said and done. We now have a co-leadership between TonyD and mike caronia at 16.5 points with several others breathing down their necks.

Stay tuned....
post #48 of 62

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This thing is starting to shape up as good as my football picks this year! And that's not good...

post #49 of 62

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hmm, i still have my top 3 and bottom 3.
post #50 of 62
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Another member favorite bites the dust and mike caronia holds onto a slim lead by virtue of the fact that this week's evictee wasn't on his list!
post #51 of 62
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Tonight is the next to last episode of this season with the finale on Sunday. At this point we are ready to announce the (sur)prize package that will be going out to our winner.

The lucky person will receive the following DVDs:

Courtesy of Lionsgate...
1. Roberto Rosselini Directors' Series 2 disc set (SD)
2. The Man Who Came Back (SD)

Courtesy of Anchor Bay...

3. Comic Books Unbound (SD documentary)

And courtesy of Paramount...

4. Kung Fu Panda (Blu-ray)
5. The Sum of All Fears (Blu-ray)
6. Hot Rod (Blu-ray)

All the above information has been provided by my co-moderator Adam Gregorich who coordinates our DVD distribution. As soon as the contest is over I'll be contacting the winner for complete shipping details.

Enjoy!
post #52 of 62

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Very cool! Thanks to all at the HTF.
Especially RAF for keeping the pool updated every week. Good man!
I have a slight lead...but don't think I can win with the people I have left..

Just rooting for a Sugar win because I find her sweet!

blech.....did I just write that?!!
post #53 of 62
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It's still a horse race with three people within 3 points of each other. The 4th and 5th spot are currently held by two "ineligible" participants (only in it for the glory and all that) so the "real" 4th place members are 13.5 points behind the current leader TonyD.

In the final episode almost anything can happen. It all depends who you have and in what position.

Down the stretch they come!!!....
post #54 of 62

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Damn you Dheiner!!! Sugar was robbed!
I wanted Kung Fu Panda!!!!
lol

Congrats man.
I think you won by 2 points.
post #55 of 62
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike caronia
Damn you Dheiner!!! Sugar was robbed!
I wanted Kung Fu Panda!!!!
lol

Congrats man.
I think you won by 2 points.

As the Monopoly Card says mike, "Bank Error in your Favor!"

You miscalculated. Dheiner ended up in third place at 33.0 points. You and NYSandy ended up tied for first at 32.5 points. And the good news is, as my "significant other" Sandy is not eligible for any prizes. Therefore, pending verification of the results (see below) the DVD package (including Kung Fu Panda on Blu-ray) will be coming your way shortly. Please e-mail me you particulars (mailing address, etc.) at

rfowkes@rfowkes.com

so that I can set the wheels in motion.

Important Note: I would appreciate it if all concerned will check the results that are posted in the first message of this thread (including the link to the tally spreadsheet) to make sure that my calculations and entires are correct. If any of you think that there are any errors (especially in the calculation of the winner) please let me know ASAP. If I don't hear anything to the contrary by Tuesday 12/16/08 at 8:00pm EST I will declare the results official! Thank you.

One final note: As mentioned elsewhere, this will be our last HTF Top Ten Challenge with prizes for Survivor. Because of the non-current nature of the show (the events take place several months before the episodes air - with the exception of the final show) more and more information leaks out on the internet and might give some people a leg up on the competition (not that I'm accusing anyone here of such actions.) To keep things above reproach, we will not be offering prizes in the future for Survivor Challenges. However, based on the interest shown here I am willing to continue to offer an "informal" tally for bragging rights if we get a significant number of entries.

However, our next HTF Top Ten Challenge WITH PRIZES will start early in 2009 with the next American Idol! Because that competition is held on a "live" basis there is very little if any way for information to be obtained prior to the weekly eliminations. Look for an upcoming announcement in a few weeks once the contestants are identified after
auditions.

Until then, Happy Holidays!
post #56 of 62

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Thanks, Robert...for your efforts!

Another great contest. Another great season!
post #57 of 62

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Thanks, Bob. And congrats, Mike. (I like Mikes' "math" better.)
post #58 of 62

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Woah! Sorry Dheiner. And thanks.
Math actually was one of my better subjects in school all those years ago...I may need a refresher.

Thanks RAF (e-mail on the way!)! And HTFers who make this a fun pool!

And even without prizes, I hope this pool continues, it makes watching the show even more tense! ha
post #59 of 62
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike caronia
Woah! Sorry Dheiner. And thanks.
Math actually was one of my better subjects in school all those years ago...I may need a refresher.

Thanks RAF (e-mail on the way!)! And HTFers who make this a fun pool!

And even without prizes, I hope this pool continues, it makes watching the show even more tense! ha

mike,

Did you send me an e-mail? If so, I never received it. Let me know.
post #60 of 62

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PM sent RAF. Sorry about that.
I had sent an e-mail before I went out west....my blackberry obviously stinks. ha
Just got back from a week in San Francisco and had some trouble getting back here to NY...glad that I even got home for the holiday. Many of my friend's flights were delayed until x-mas.

Thanks again.
Happy holidays to all!
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