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post #91 of 312
10/10/08 at 7:16pm

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I still don't know what the fake accent strategy is. To make him appear more douchey?


I doubt Ace could get any more douchy.
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post #92 of 312
10/15/08 at 7:42am
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Here is an article from a trade publication on the pluses/minuses of shooting Survivor in HD.

It's interesting that they are still thinking 4:3 even though shooting 16:9 which gives them worry in the editing room as to whom is doing what on the outside edges of the image for continuity's sake.

The Dirt (literally) on Survivor in HD from digitalcontentproducer.com

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And another reminder for RAF's Survivor contest for anyone who still needs to enter their selections... They are due before tomorrow night's episode.
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post #93 of 312
10/16/08 at 7:40am

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Winner: Please remember to set aside some winning for your taxes; CBS will not pay them.

'Survivor' winner Richard Hatch is a loser with Supreme Court

The Supreme Court denied Richard Hatch's appeal.
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post #94 of 312
10/16/08 at 9:27pm

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What was with all the shots of Marcus and Charlie celebrating together? Is Charlie turning Marcus over his side for some possible bromance?
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post #95 of 312
10/16/08 at 10:05pm
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I guess G Sizzle was just a flash in the pan.

I'm not sure why he looked surprised after the final vote was read.

Oh well, onward & upward.

Oh. And an interesting remark from tribal council about how it's "okay to go through other people's bags." It doesn't really seem okay to me. I guess that meant it's okay with Mark Burnett?
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post #96 of 312
10/17/08 at 4:48am

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
I'm not sure why he looked surprised after the final vote was read.

What really irked me about GC was all the drama about quitting...without actually quitting. Was it some lame attempt at strategy? Why make everyone vote for you if you just want to walk away? It's been done before.

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And an interesting remark from tribal council about how it's "okay to go through other people's bags." It doesn't really seem okay to me. I guess that meant it's okay with Mark Burnett?

That's how I interpreted it - that going through someone's bag isn't against the rules of the game. It may be a crappy thing to do, but it doesn't violate any of the game parameters.
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post #97 of 312
10/17/08 at 6:13am

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Here is an article from a trade publication on the pluses/minuses of shooting Survivor in HD.

It's interesting that they are still thinking 4:3 even though shooting 16:9 which gives them worry in the editing room as to whom is doing what on the outside edges of the image for continuity's sake.

The Dirt (literally) on Survivor in HD from digitalcontentproducer.com

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And another reminder for RAF's Survivor contest for anyone who still needs to enter their selections... They are due before tomorrow night's episode.

Excellent article reference, Mike! (And the follow-up article referenced at the end of the one that you cited is also worth a read to get a good perspective on the entire HD shooting scenario.)

Yes, the HTF Top Ten Challenge is now officially ON and a dozen stalwarts (including 3 HTF staffers/family) are duking it out with 9 people eligible for the prize package. It should be an interesting couple of months of HD-Reality viewing.

Enjoy!
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post #98 of 312
10/17/08 at 7:55am
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Excellent article reference, Mike! (And the follow-up article referenced at the end of the one that you cited is also worth a read to get a good perspective on the entire HD shooting scenario.)

Thanks, Robert. I had completely missed the other link at the end of that article.

It was also interesting that we finally had some interaction of Survivors with animals (well, one elephant) during the show. Frankly, I didn't think that was ever going to happen. It was hard to get a good read on the depth of field of those shots (how far away the people really were from the elephant) but I really had the sense that were being rather cavalier about being that close to such a large beast.

IIRC there was only one happenstance during the first season in Africa (season 3?) that one of the camps heard a lion skulking about at night.
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post #99 of 312
10/17/08 at 10:41am

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I loved this episode--it really felt like something from the early seasons; the elephant scene and the way it was edited was straight out of S2 or S3.

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IIRC there was only one happenstance during the first season in Africa (season 3?) that one of the camps heard a lion skulking about at night.

That same tribe (which, incidentally, contains my favorite player of all time ) encountered a water buffalo on a water run as well. And there was a brief scene in one episode from Outback where the players watched a family of kangaroos hopping about.

But the greatest non-human on the show is easily the monkey that stole one tribe's food in Thailand.
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post #100 of 312
10/17/08 at 10:46am
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But the greatest non-human on the show is easily the monkey that stole one tribe's food in Thailand.

Wait a minute! What about the terrorist pelican!
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post #101 of 312
10/17/08 at 10:56am

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See ya GC, don't let the jungle hit you on the ass on your way out!

I hadn't realized it before but I think the jungle was getting to him way before now and that probably contributed to his attitude and the fact he "quit" a couple of episodes ago but good riddance I.M.O.

During T.C. did anyone else take it that Jeff was almost coaching Sugar to use the idol or at least swing the tribe away from voting for her since she had it but probably wouldn't use it. I could be way off but he did seem to over explain the scenerio a bit.

..About that Elephant; I get home from work around 7:45 so we usually watch it upstairs in SD while we eat and then go down and catch C.S.I in HD. I had recorded Survivor downstairs as well and afterwards watched bits of it in HD and oh my God, what a difference! The HD blew us away, you could see the Elephants' yellow eye and the black pupil very clearly, not to mention the spider web in the tree branches!

We will never watch it in SD again after that
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post #102 of 312
10/17/08 at 2:51pm

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At this point, 17 seasons, how could anyone try out for Survivor and not know what they are getting into? Other than an injury, or a tragic phone call from home, there is no excuse for anyone to quit, especially after "trying out". G.C. wanted to go on the show, and then wants to leave? Ridiculous. But still makes for fun TV

Mylan, you are correct about the HD thing. But other than some select DVDs, I don't watch any SD anymore. Everything is more enjoyable in HD.
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post #103 of 312
10/17/08 at 3:42pm

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Could anyone post a few HD caps for those of us less fortunate who don't have an HDTV yet?

I know the picture quality has to be amazing but what bugs me even more is that they do 4:3 for SD--the framing always feels so off, especially during the on-camera interviews but even moreso in the theme song. A good third of Dan's face is completely cut off.
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post #104 of 312
10/17/08 at 7:57pm

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See ya GC, don't let the jungle hit you on the ass on your way out!

My sentiments exactly.....couldn't stand him at all. Didn't like his attitude from the start.....having tantrums for not getting his way and going off on his own is no way to make friends with the rest of the tribe. Glad he's gone.

Sugar better keep that immunity item nearby from this point on.....she was pretty much useless in that last immunity challenge. I can't see her lasting very long if she keeps up that kind of performance.
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post #105 of 312
10/18/08 at 7:39am

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I'm surprised Sugar acted so casually about the idol. I would definitely tried to hide it somewhere other than in my clothes (she has an entire jungle at her disposal). When pressed about it at the tribal, she didn't seem to mind that someone could look for it. Odd. Maybe she has some sort of strategy we haven't seen to conclusion yet. (even though that might not work out in her favor).
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post #106 of 312
10/20/08 at 6:58am

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Sorry I am rather late to this thread but I actually downloaded
and watched this week's episode on the plane out to LA yesterday.

Wow! I finally realized the real potential of this show when I
discovered teammates going through Sugar's bag. I had no idea
how much underhandedness the producers of the show allowed.
I also was surprised that Sugar would actually leave the idol in
her bag knowing that such deception was part of the game.

I am really loving the challenges. It's quite amusing to see the
games that the producers come up with week after week. It's as
equally entertaining as it is watching the personal interactions of
the Survivors.

The only thing that still bothers me about this show is that I can't
help but think that so much of this drama is staged. It's very hard
to be an actual "survivor" when you are surrounded by cameras and
crew people who have food on the sidelines. I don't think the survivors
are being fed, but I do think that there is a lot of "unnatural" reaction
when you have so many cameras set up catching every angle of your
secluded life.

Still, Survivor has become my favorite guilty pleasure this season.

Oh...and count me in among millions that are elated that G.C.
hit the road.
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post #107 of 312
10/20/08 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
The only thing that still bothers me about this show is that I can't
help but think that so much of this drama is staged. It's very hard
to be an actual "survivor" when you are surrounded by cameras and
crew people who have food on the sidelines. I don't think the survivors
are being fed, but I do think that there is a lot of "unnatural" reaction
when you have so many cameras set up catching every angle of your
secluded life.

One thing to keep in mind, Ron, is that the camera crews are omnipresent. They are on-duty...even during the night--just in case "anything happens" that might be of interest for the show.

So this does a couple of things. It inures the Survivors to their presence (I was always amazed that the contestants don't actually look at the camera more often), but it also provides the producers/editors with thousands of hours of footage to edit down into maybe 16 1-hour episodes. To an individual, most Survivor contestants come away from the experience talking about how boring most of it was--"hours and hours of just sitting around."

We really just get an ultra-condensed look at their experience through the eyes of some skillful editors and story-tellers in order to make for an interesting presentation.

About being "fed", one female contestant once talked of trying to use her wiles to secure a candy bar from a crew member. Didn't work.

I think some contestants know how to "work the cameras"--that is, to play to them so that it works to their advantage when the program airs...but I'm never really sure that translates well with the rest of the cast in whom their fate rests for the game itself.

The most manic bit of editing I've ever seen during Survivor is when one of the contestants was working on a campfire, passed out from the fumes, and fell in hands-first. The moments that pursued had to be edited like crazy to keep out crossing shots of camera/sound crews as people scurried about to capture reaction from the victim and castmates.

I think we get a pretty good representation of what really happens as it relates to their experiences.
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post #108 of 312
10/20/08 at 1:16pm

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
I think some contestants know how to "work the cameras"--that is, to play to them so that it works to their advantage when the program airs.
I have read that in Exile Island, Shane was staging outbursts and shennanigans for camera time. Some of the cuckoo stuff was just an act. It was apparently too entertaining to leave on the cutting room floor.
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post #109 of 312
10/20/08 at 1:56pm
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Who can ever forget Shane's cellphone/rock?!?
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post #110 of 312
10/21/08 at 12:13pm

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And an interesting remark from tribal council about how it's "okay to go through other people's bags." It doesn't really seem okay to me. I guess that meant it's okay with Mark Burnett?
That's how I interpreted it - that going through someone's bag isn't against the rules of the game. It may be a crappy thing to do, but it doesn't violate any of the game parameters.
Dishonesty is what this game thrives on. Why would going through someone's bag be any different? Plus, there is a precedent since Natalie went through Jason's bag on the last Survivor and got away with it.
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post #111 of 312
10/21/08 at 1:20pm
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"Bag checking" has been a fact of life in the past few Survivors. James' bag got gone-through as well.

Doesn't make it right, though.

But, Sugar--as noted by David above--would have been well-served to do a better job of hiding the HII. Because, you simply cannot trust people.

I cannot remember a reunion show which hasn't touched upon the subject of deceit in the game and the question "Can you play the game and be completely honest?" Then it's interesting to listen to players' answers and see where they think they've been honest but other players disagree. Everyone's got different lines in the sand they'll cross--whether in Survivor or in life.
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post #112 of 312
10/21/08 at 2:21pm

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How could Sugar not expect somebody to go through her bag. If you can gain any kind of advantage in this game, why not.

Often wondered what would happen if somebody stole the idol, but found the following in wikipedia.


"Once found, the player that possesses an idol may keep it or transfer it to another player prior to the start of Tribal Council, and it may not be stolen from that player. The player is not required to show this idol to other players, though may use it as a bargaining chip for alliance and voting purposes. Other players may discover the ownership of the idol via any means within the rules of the game, including peeking into other player's personal possessions."
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post #113 of 312
10/21/08 at 3:17pm

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I loved how, after his trip to Exile, Dan immediately went ahead and dumped his entire bag to prove he didn't have it (and Amanda too, last season, but since the idol was buried at camp, she knew where it was but didn't have it in her possession at that moment). There's got to be some tree or spot in the ground to hide it.
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post #114 of 312
10/30/08 at 8:43pm
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Sugar: dumb like a fox?!? Whaddya think?

I guess Susie really must have been pretty crazy to have had that conversation with Corinne. I kinda wish the editors had let us see some of that if it's true. I suppose, though, her position could certainly change as she is now vulnerable and someone could make her a sweetheart deal to go farther in the game.

Randy does seem (as the teaser showed) to be sitting rather pretty as they head to the merge.

Looks like there's some skinny-dipping going on next week!
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post #115 of 312
10/30/08 at 8:57pm

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Yay, pompous Ace got the boot! Dan's paranoia got the best of him.
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post #116 of 312
10/31/08 at 6:31am

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Eh....would have rather seen Crystal get the boot. Her pettiness is grating on my nerves. She's the female equivalent of GC.....that mouth doesn't shut up when she gets riled at tribal council (all I can think of in my mind when she gets started is 'Shut Up! Shut Up! SHUT The F*** UPPP!!!!!'). Ace should have pressed Sugar harder for the idol.

As for next week.....all hail the 'King Of Gabon'!
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post #117 of 312
10/31/08 at 6:49am

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Looks like there's some skinny-dipping going on next week!

Yeah, but the only girls left in that tribe are Corinne (meh), Sugar (meh), and Suzie ( )

"Ace-hole" gets the boot! My my, Sugar went from being in Ace's back pocket to holding the knife in his back. I guess she's going to hitch a ride with Kenny now.

Speaking of which, did Kenny make up some of that "Ace is a snake" material or was it all for real? I wasn't sure if some of the things he said weren't embellished.

Matt's actual game skills are so far below his perceived skills that he kind of comes off as retarded. His game is several planes below even Crystal. Ahh, if only there was a squinting challenge.

I was a bit confused about why Marcus thought Dan could have had the HII. You'd think the owner of the HII wouldn't be so nervous and high strung. Not only did they get the strategic 4-3 vote, but they even got Suzie and Dan to vote for each other. After they read out two Dan votes, I realized that this was a "flush out the idol" voting scenario. Their only downfall is that they are top heavy with power players, and things will necessarily fracture before merge.

Randy is such an ugly person, but the editing makes it seem like a virtue (and totally hilarious). The way he smiles when they agree to vote someone out reminds me of the Grinch -- evil and self-satisfied (and totally hilarious). As they were distributing the letters from home during the reward picnic, I told my wife that Randy would open his pouch and a couple of moths would fly out. That may not have been that far off the mark -- they didn't show him reading anything or getting even a little bit emotional. Maybe it's just the editing. Next week preview looks like a Randy riot.

Oh, and I think there was only one elephant shot. Maybe because there were two Tribal Councils and they didn't have enough time for those transitions (or maybe they're transitioning from elepahnts to hippos). Perhaps they'll make up for the lack of elephants this week on next week's show.
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post #118 of 312
10/31/08 at 6:57am

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Kenny TOTALLY lied when talking to Sugar about Ace-Hole! Nothing he said was true, infact, if you go back and watch, Ace-hole was talking about Sugar to Matty and was doing his best to make sure Matty didn't vote for her. Ace-hole wanted to keep her in the game. Ace-hole screwed up when he felt the need to press Sugar to give him the idol. The sad thing is, it probably would have worked had Keeny never spoken to her and lied to her.
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post #119 of 312
10/31/08 at 11:33am

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There are so many unlikable players this season, it is difficult to say one should go quicker than another.....even so, glad to see Ace gone.
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post #120 of 312
10/31/08 at 1:48pm
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I hope they take the time while skinny-dippin' to wash out their clothes...

Yuck. Don't know how bad they smell...but they sure look like they must smell pretty bad.

Find some water and a rock, people!
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