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post #271 of 312
12/14/08 at 3:01am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Mike, thanks so much for posting that video and Mark, thank
you for your thoughts.

I never knew this stuff existed. Is this what gets posted on the
Survivor website?

Now I have to spend time and look at these videos as they are
posted as indeed they are as interesting as the Survivor game itself.
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post #272 of 312
12/14/08 at 8:38pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Good prevailed for once
Good show!
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post #273 of 312
12/14/08 at 8:50pm

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THANK GOD, for a second I thought Susie was going to win.

Sugar looked absolutely fabulous this evening. She is very stunning.

Corinne is such a complete waste of space. Her attitude made me think of Jerry from Survivor Outback(she even looked a bit like her at certain angles) and made me even despise her more. She is what she is, but not a person I would fancy being around. I am so glad that Jeff called her out after making such a tacky statement to Sugar. The booing made me happy as well.

Bob was VERY deserving of both cash prizes. I think he is right up there with Rupert as being my favorite Survivor.

Randy seemed like he was on the verge of laughing all night long. Like he was trying NOT to smile, but every now and then you would see him hold it in. It was odd!
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post #274 of 312
12/14/08 at 9:32pm

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I still hate having 3 in the final tribal council to decide who wins.

I'm still amazed that Susie got 3 votes, but then again, given the mental make-up of the jury, maybe I shouldn't be that amazed.

Glad that Bob took home $1.1 million. I wrote him off when it was down to 14 players, shows you that this game can change on a dime, and you just have to be prepared to roll with the punches and make moves when the opportunities present themselves.

Corinne's parents must be so proud of her outspokenness. not.
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post #275 of 312
12/14/08 at 9:41pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Good for Bob! (Great first name, BTW.)

And Corinne represents all that is ugly about the human species. What a loser (in more ways than one.) The only good thing about her is that she actually made Randy look good by comparison. And that's a tough task. They deserve each other.

This season of Survivor was memorable on several counts. First and foremost is the HD aspect which provides a completely new dimension to the show. And the number of twists and turns (despite the seemingly contrived tribe shuffling) kept things interesting up until the final episode. While Bob was the dominant player, Sugar provided the most interesting interplay in my opinion.



And pending verification, congratulations to mike caronia for winning the prize in the HTF Top Ten Challenge in a real cliffhanger (the closest finish yet!) See the separate thread for all particulars.
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post #276 of 312
12/14/08 at 10:06pm
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Sugar was, indeed, an interesting player.

The only way Corinne could have saved face would have been to said that yes she had regrets and apologized. She didn't. There is...no...excuse for her behavior. She should have listened to Sugar's "lesson" in the hut. She is very, very sad.

I really applaud the way Sugar handled both Randy & Corinne in the final tribal council. She basically let them both know they were jerks and she wasn't going to take their crap. I think that what everybody seems to say about personal growth from the Survivor experience is definitely true for Sugar.

I was so sure Randy had voted for Susie (because of his disdain for both Bob & Sugar) that it had been "apparent" to me that Kenny & Crystal had split their votes between Bob & Susie. However, this was the final vote tally:

For Bob: Marcus, Charlie, Corinne, Randy

For Susie: Kenny, Crystal, Matty

What a surprise that Randy voted for Bob! If he had voted as expected, Susie would have, indeed, been the winner!

Probst was pretty obvious in his disdain that Susie came thatclose to winning the grand prize.

I would have liked to have seen Sugar win the $100,000 Sprint prize.

Bob owes his win entirely to Sugar. If she hadn't completely helped him out on a couple of occasions near the end (not to mention voting for Matty to force the tie-breaker), Bob would have been sitting on the jury a number of different times.

Sugar must have REALLY ticked everyone off with her emotions. Even Marcus piled on during the reunion interviews.

It was very satisfying to see Bob win the prize. His strategy of being resourceful, being "necessary", and trying to be likeable paid off--not only with the jury but, I suspect, with the audience as well.
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post #277 of 312
12/15/08 at 6:45am

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Glad that Bob won the whole thing. But I was a little surprised to see him so tongue tied during the reunion show. Jeff Probst was having a hard time trying to get some words out of him.

Sugar was also deserving of winning the whole thing because she was the brains behind this whole thing. But apparently she pissed a lot of people off because almost half of them gave their vote to Suzie, even though Suzie was the least deserving of them all. She was just a sheep following the group along.

Next up...Brazil. Should be interesting.
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post #278 of 312
12/15/08 at 6:52am

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Hooray for Bob.....a truly deserving survivor!

I'm really glad that Susie didn't win.....she was a major coattail rider and just plain irritating person who just didn't know when to shut up. The fact that she was one vote away from winning still doesn't settle with me.

Corinne is the most hateful b*tch I've ever seen on survivor (that includes Jeri). Her last parting shot at Sugar in the final tribal council was both classless and brutal. Sugar wasn't the only one flipping her the bird at that comment. The woman should have been apologizing instead of rationalizing at the reunion show. If I were her parents, I'd put a bag over my head in shame and disown her.

Randy......what can I say about Randy? What a sad little man. He must have had really bad experiences in life to become the way he is. I don't hate him (I reserve my hate for Corinne), but I pity him....he doesn't realize how alone he really is.

.....Oh yes, Sugar cleaned up very nicely.

Looking forward the next edition of Survivor in the Brazilian Highlands......looks like a really nice location.
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post #279 of 312
12/15/08 at 7:01am

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Ugh. I hate players like Sugar, who go into the game not expecting or even wanting to win, and basically screw over other players for no good reason. You can claim she made a bunch of strategic moves, but she didn't do anything to really help herself win, and her engineering of Bob in the finals and her performance in final tribal sabotaged any chance of her winning. Players who aren't trying to win are maddening because they don't do anything rationally. She's like a walking tribal switch up.

And the thing that irks me the most about players like this is that they act like they are sooo righteous and do-goody, but in reality do the same things they rail against -- she didn't like Crystal and Kenny picking on Matty, but she previously rubbed Randy's ouster in his face. She doesn't like how conniving Ken was and all of his lies, but she set up blindsides with lies with Crystal and Kenny (and right to Kenny's face). She is the worst kind of "player" and the worst kind of person, the hypocrite who thinks she's some sort of special, nice person. Well actually, Corinne is the worst kind of person, so Sugar is the second worst. She is Loki.

And she screwed over Matty by not telling him about the planned tie. She claimed it was left to fate, but letting Bob practice fire making all afternoon isn't really a fate kind of thing. She likes to justify her actions to make it seem like she's nice, but the reality is she's a kook job who just does what she wants and then thinks a good cry absolves her of all sins.
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post #280 of 312
12/15/08 at 8:33am

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I agree about Randy being a sad person. I cannot even imagine what he must have went through to be so bitter and angry. Well, we do know he lost his dog, but what human destroyed his faith in mankind?

I'm always amazed at how the people on the jury are so judging and mean. If they were in the top three, they would feel much differently. Every year that I watch this, I hope to see someone come right out and give sincere congrats to those who make it to the end, but every year I am disappointed.

The jury usually ends up to be a bunch of poor sports that want nothing more than to make their digs at the winners. Corinne is probably the worst ever! Kenny still seemed like he didn't get it when he questioned Bob. Of course Bob didn't say what he wanted to hear.
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post #281 of 312
12/15/08 at 10:12am

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I thoroughly enjoyed the final episodes and was delighted with Bob as champion. Though I was rooting for Bob for most of the game, I found myself rooting for Sugar to take the million. It was so refreshing in the jury interrogation to see someone not butt-kiss jury members for votes. Sugar could have defended her strategic moves better, but she refused to play ball with the more infantile members of the jury (the majority of the jury sadly). Corrine and Randy are unapologetic jerks: don't pull punches, that is what they are. Marcus was a self-righteous jack-ass too. Kenny really disappointed me the most. He played a solid game based on lying, deception and manipulation and he's going to call Bob out for not giving him immunity so he could stab him in the back? He still feels wronged by it! Kenny, you live by the sword, you die by the sword, bro. Take it like a man.

This game and the comments of 'arm-chair survivors' on line continue to intrigue me. The game makes it okay to lie, cheat, fake friendship, and stab allies in the back to win a million. What confounds the game and always makes it interesting is there will always be some players who won't do some things even if it means a million bucks. Some wish to retain some ethical code even if it means losing. Sugar just didn't like people being cruel to one another. The only person she was cruel to was Randy, who was a caricature of anger and cruelty. She turned on Kenny and Crystal when they became cruel to Matty. And she knew that would cost her the million; she even said so. I found that refreshing.
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post #282 of 312
12/15/08 at 10:31am

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Originally Posted by Joseph J.D

Corinne is the most hateful b*tch I've ever seen on survivor (that includes Jeri). Her last parting shot at Sugar in the final tribal council was both classless and brutal. Sugar wasn't the only one flipping her the bird at that comment. The woman should have been apologizing instead of rationalizing at the reunion show. If I were her parents, I'd put a bag over my head in shame and disown her.


Well said. As soon as she made her comments, the first thing that popped into my head was "this b!tch needs to get hit by a bus".
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post #283 of 312
12/15/08 at 10:44am

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It makes you wonder what will it take to humble Corinne to the point where she finally "gets it", where she finally figures out that there's no real value in boasting of her self-imposed superiority complex. But, it's probably so firmly ingrained in her psyche that she will always have such strong feelings that her drive to achieve gives her the right to judge those on a different life's course, and justifies, in her mind, that it's okay to demean such inferior human beings. For all her "learning" and "education", she has failed in understanding the value of humility and compassion. She's a small-minded person still stuck with uncontrollable juvenile reactions to situations and people.
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post #284 of 312
12/15/08 at 10:55am

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I don't watch the show anymore. But, my wife does. She was pissed that Susie almost won. On a side note. She thinks that the 100k should not go to the person who won the million.
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post #285 of 312
12/15/08 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by todd s
On a side note. She thinks that the 100k should not go to the person who won the million.

Agreed. Seems like a no-brainer, actually.

Randy intrigues me. Seemed to me like he was playing a part. There's a lot more to what he was doing during this season than what Corinne was all about. It almost seemed to me that his suppressed smiles/laughs were attempts to not "break character." When Probst was going through his accomplishments in life (IQ score, degree in engineering from Vanderbilt, etc.), Randy almost seemed "outed" and like he just wanted Jeff to stop. I was just left with the feeling that maybe we (the audience), and maybe even the show's staff, all got played.
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post #286 of 312
12/15/08 at 12:11pm

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Like everyone else, I'm glad Bob won. Never would have thought he would even make it to the merge due to him being "too nice" and "too old" and so on.

I still don't understand how Susie got 3 votes. I wouldn't mind her as a neighbor, but she was hardly deserving of winning. I thought Sugar would at least get a vote or 2.

I also think Randy's anti-social thing is at least a bit of an act and his facial expressions last night did nothing to change my mind. He's like Jonny Fairplay's uncle.

How did Bob do so badly in the final challenge of building the tower, which should have been tailor made for him... and why did Jeff not ask about that?

The jury did seem bitter- I don't remember any of them congratulating the final 3, as some have done in previous seasons. It's like people still don't get that this is a game and react as if their real-life friends had screwed them over.

Who else was surprised there was no endurance-type challenge at the end as usual?

I also hate having 3 at the end instead of 2. Made me wonder what would have happened if Sugar got 1 vote, leaving the others tied. Would Bob and Susie have split the million, each got a million, or had to make fire on the live finale to decide that? With an odd number of jury members and 2 finalists, a tie is impossible.

Glad to see they are going to Brazil, another non-island setting.
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post #287 of 312
12/15/08 at 12:31pm
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You're right about the "house of cards" challenge. We were expecting an endurance challenge AND expecting Bob to build a Tower of London in about two minutes.

He hardly got his structure off the ground!
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post #288 of 312
12/15/08 at 1:07pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

If it hadn't been the final challenge, I might have thought he threw it just to look more vulnerable.
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post #289 of 312
12/15/08 at 4:37pm

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I still hate having 3 in the final tribal council to decide who wins.

Ditto. I should be thrilled to see Bob win, as he's been my favorite from the first episode, but the final three just leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. I like Bob but I would be more than willing to give up him winning in order to go back to the final two that works a lot better structurally and entertainment-wise. Besides, he did absolutely terribly at the final Tribal Council--it's almost a joke to have the eventual winner open with "I didn't outwit or outplay..."

Here's how I'd rank the seasons:
1. Borneo
2. Marquesas
3. Pearl Islands
4. Africa
5. China
6. Panama
7. Amazon
8. Gabon
9. Palau
10. All-Stars
11. Outback
12. Micronesia
13. Thailand
14. Guatemala
15. Fiji
16. Vanuatu
17. Cook Islands
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post #290 of 312
12/16/08 at 6:53am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

For me, All stars would be a lot higher. But I couldn't stand any of the Jurors questions this year. They were not clever and more "sour-grapes" then usual. Even Marcus had stupid questions and he is supposed to be smart.
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post #291 of 312
12/16/08 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by Steve_Tk
Even Marcus had stupid questions and he is supposed to be smart.

Just because he's a "resident physician?"

I can certainly agree that the jury didn't acquit themselves well in Gabon.
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post #292 of 312
12/16/08 at 11:33am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Also, because Jeff said Marcus' IQ was well beyond the 2nd smartest person (which was Randy) in the entire group.
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post #293 of 312
12/16/08 at 1:00pm

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Just a general question: Would anyone besides me think a season where they bring in teams from The Amazing Race would be pretty entertaining? Start them out together but split TAR teammates up by merges and so on. I'd definitely watch.
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post #294 of 312
12/16/08 at 1:07pm

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I've thought that it's only a matter of time until they bring in couples or something. Like 8 couples, and split them down the middle for the first two teams. Would be very interesting to watch.
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post #295 of 312
12/16/08 at 1:31pm

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Originally Posted by Steve_Tk
They were not clever and more "sour-grapes" then usual. Even Marcus had stupid questions and he is supposed to be smart.

This is one part of the show that I think has really went down hill. I know Sue threw her famous fit in season 1 but now it seems like every jury member just pisses and moans about their position. I wish Jeff would say something before the jury got a chance to speak about it not being a personal soap box. I don't want to hear a group of people crying about being stabbed in the back or betrayed by a "friend". They know the game, the rules, and how it is played. If you don't like it then don't play.

I like it much better with two finalist.
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post #296 of 312
12/16/08 at 2:23pm

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Has the third person ever received any votes since they switched to the 3 finalists? I think it is stupid. I liked it when the final person got to choose who they brought with them to Tribal. It made for better strategy, especially if you brought the wrong one like Colby.
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post #297 of 312
12/16/08 at 3:49pm

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I join Jeff Probst in liking the three person final; it creates a better chance for two strong players to face the jury. In this case both Bob and Sugar had claim to the million. Imagine the 'drama' of one of them against Suzie. In Palau it would have meant Ian, a great competitor would have challenged Tom for the money. In Panama, Terry, an awesome player would have faced the jury and based on that reunion, he would have won. In Guatemala, Danielle would have faced Raphe, a nice guy and great challenge player. In each of those cases the actual votes were either obvious or a choice between mediocre competitors. Threesomes would have made a better ending
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post #298 of 312
12/16/08 at 6:38pm

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Has the third person ever received any votes since they switched to the 3 finalists? I think it is stupid. I liked it when the final person got to choose who they brought with them to Tribal. It made for better strategy, especially if you brought the wrong one like Colby.

Only one time, in China, which was a 4-2-1 vote.

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I join Jeff Probst in liking the three person final; it creates a better chance for two strong players to face the jury. In this case both Bob and Sugar had claim to the million. Imagine the 'drama' of one of them against Suzie.

Err...since Susie would presumably win the same final challenge whether one of Bob or Matty wasn't there, she would take Sugar to the end and it wouldn't be a clear-cut decision the way it was with Bob. The jury would actually have to think about their decision and the final Tribal Council would have been a lot more exciting and unpredictable.

I have a ton of issues with the final three. I don't care if we have a "likable" winner (I like Bob but I'd actually rather he go down as one of the great players not to win instead of winning the game after a piss-poor final TC performance); it's just far less entertaining to watch. Besides, you can't just take the third placer for each season and assume that they'd still make the final three; they'd likely have been booted a round or two earlier--who would want to face Kathy or Rudy in the end?

But one of the really annoying things is that, unless we have a F3 of all women, it pretty much prevents a woman from ever winning again. There are way too many flaws with a system that was pretty much invented after the producers got upset to see their favorite challenge whore, Terry, lose the game.
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post #299 of 312
12/18/08 at 11:20am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Well count me in as being late to the party....

Thought SURVIVOR was airing tonight, I check my DVR for the first
time in a few days and find two shows played on Sunday. Had no idea
the season finale was 4 days ago.

Not much to say other than this was my first time watching a finale
and I thought it was rather cool that it was done LIVE in front of an
audience. The DVR cut out a few minutes early so I never found out
if Crystal really was an Olympic champion. Also thought Sugar looked
horrible with all that makeup. That is one girl that excels with her
natural beauty.

Great show. Can't believe I missed the finale when it aired, but I am
finally caught up.
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post #300 of 312
12/18/08 at 11:44am

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
The DVR cut out a few minutes early so I never found out
if Crystal really was an Olympic champion. Also thought Sugar looked
horrible with all that makeup. That is one girl that excels with her
natural beauty.
Yes, Crystal really is an Olympic champion. Athens 2004, 4x400 relay. Her reasoning was, "I trained to run fast around a flat circle, not climb hills, etc.!"

I thought Sugar looked gorgeous. She couldn't have looked more like Katherine Heigl if she tried.
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