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post #241 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
Clearly, this is my favorite show -- certainly the one I look forward
to the most week after week. Gotta again thank RAF for
pushing me to watch this show.

Glad to hear that you like it Ron. Knowing your tastes, I knew that you would. While this season is memorable because it's the first one in HD (this type of show was born for HD!) I have to agree with Anthony that there are several earlier editions that had a wider variety of interesting plots, challenges, twists, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying Season 17 very much but I understand Anthony's comment. Too bad that legalese limits previous shows' availability (although without the HD aspect you might not agree that they are more interesting).

As has been mentioned before, HD brings out more of the real experience of being a "survivor" because all of the nicks and bites and welts and grime, etc. seem so much more real when they are shown in their full glory. One can really get a sense of what being in such a situation entails.

The "reunion with family/friends" episode has become a season staple for Survivor and it's always quite emotional so I understand your reaction. Some of the earlier "reunions" actually had even more of a back story and coverage than this year's presentation.

As to the remaining contestants, I really would like to see Bob win because I think he has the talent to "survive" what's thrown at him - everything except the fact that the other members are finally realizing how strong he is in challenges and how smart he is. So he probably won't make it to the final three unless he continues to win challenges. (As a former Chem teacher I'm rooting for the "science guy.")

Sugar would also be o.k. with me because it's quite obvious at this point that she has played the "dumb blonde" role to perfection. She found the idol on the first try and the comments that she has made so far (although edited) show her to have a head on those "model" (?) shoulders.

As to the rest: Susie might actually get the award for staying under the radar the best and it might get her to the finals. Kenny is a gamer (although Bob blew him away in the last challenge that involved a gamer's intuition) so that could play out well for him. However he also has gamer's arrogance and that probably will bite him in the butt. I thought that Matty would do well but now he's one of the few remaining threats (as perceived by the others) so his days are probably numbered if he doesn't win challenges. Besides, Leonardo DiCaprio called and he wants his face back! (With apologies to Hanson! )

Crystal is an interesting character. She's an Olympic medalist and yet she doesn't seem to do well in challenges where she should shine. Is she playing us with that strategy or is she all thumbs? I find it interesting that there seems to be absolutely no indication that she was a member of the Olympic Team (not even with the relatives there) so I have to feel that she is purposely withholding that information to appear to be harmless - unless I missed something. If that's the case then I give her the "under the radar" award instead of Susie.

I'm looking forward to an interesting last couple of episodes as this all plays out. A case might be made for any one of the final six emerging as the Sole Survivor, and that isn't usually the case in most seasons.
post #242 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by RAF
Too bad that legalese limits previous shows' availability
What exactly is the issue?
post #243 of 312
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Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by RAF
Sugar would also be o.k. with me because it's quite obvious at this point that she has played the "dumb blonde" role to perfection. She found the idol on the first try and the comments that she has made so far (although edited) show her to have a head on those "model" (?) shoulders.

I've been saying from the beginning that I think Sugar has been playing this game hard from the opening bell. I think it's legitimate, though, that she has seen a fair amount of personal growth during her time on the show.

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Originally Posted by RAF
As to the rest: Susie might actually get the award for staying under the radar the best and it might get her to the finals.


I'm not the only one saying this, Robert...but it's hard not to get the vibe that Susie's playing a game very similar to Sandra in Pearl Islands. But the editors really aren't giving us much Susie to really get to know her.

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Originally Posted by RAF
Crystal is an interesting character. She's an Olympic medalist and yet she doesn't seem to do well in challenges where she should shine. Is she playing us with that strategy or is she all thumbs? I find it interesting that there seems to be absolutely no indication that she was a member of the Olympic Team (not even with the relatives there) so I have to feel that she is purposely withholding that information to appear to be harmless - unless I missed something. If that's the case then I give her the "under the radar" award instead of Susie.

She announced at the very beginning of the show (either episode one or the TV Guide preview show that I saw) that it was definite strategy on her part that she would NOT be revealing anything about her Olympic experience. And with her complete ineptitude in physical challenges, I think the rest of the cast must be really surprised to learn the truth!

While I will finish the season out...I am really put off about the change in direction which has been caused by the random shuffles of the teams. I don't know if the reshuffles are a reaction to the Ulong scenario in which one tribe was completely inept and decimated by mid-season...but I'd much rather see that than these random shuffles which completely put the established players in very weak positions.

Let's go, Bob! I'm still enjoying the reunion of Bob with his wife. She must have been crazed to see him covered in dirt and facial hair!
post #244 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon

Let's go, Bob! I'm still enjoying the reunion of Bob with his wife. She must have been crazed to see him covered in dirt and facial hair!

That was one of my favorite scenes when she said something like "hold on a second" and came around the corner after Jeff had clearly stated that no family members were there and before commercial Bob said, "cheers, we're in Africa" priceless!
post #245 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by ChristopherG
What exactly is the issue?

In re-reading the original comment about "legal" copies of Survivor DVDs, I now realize that I may have misinterpreted this. While it is true that only a couple of Seasons of Survivor at most (and a "Best of" compilation) have made their way to DVD I now think that the writer was stating that you can't watch too many seasons of Survivor "legally" on DVD - not because there are legal obstacles but because the only copies of many seasons would only be available "on the street" if at all. Anyone else with more clarification on this matter should feel free to jump in here if they wish.

As to Survivor on DVD - now that there is HD source material perhaps we will get a Blu-ray version of Season 17 with all the extras. I'm not sure how much of a market there would be for this so the jury's still out (no pun intended).
post #246 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

What I meant was that only six seasons (out of 16 completed) are currently available on DVD, and it's been two years since the last release so I'm not entirely optimistic about seeing any more. Which is a shame since seasons 3 and 4 are two of my all-time favorites.

I'm still perplexed as to why this show and The Amazing Race have not been released via Amazon.com's burn-on-demand program yet.
post #247 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Stephen_L
While I'm enjoying the show, I've been also frustrated by the endless tribal reshuffles this season. Kenny and Fang didn't dismantle Kota, the producers did. By all appearances Kota was set to obliterate Fang, but was twice broken apart so the individuals could be picked off.

Wasn't there a season where one team was completely obliterated leaving one woman, who had to then join the other tribe - thus merging? It would have been an early season. Perhaps the mixups are to prevent such a situation from happening again.
post #248 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

It was Palau (season 10). There really wasn't any need for two switch-ups IMHO, but Marcus getting the boot really jump-started the streak of excellent episodes so I can't complain.
post #249 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

The season ends this coming Sunday. Prize package (for the Challenge) being assembled. Details to follow in that thread.
post #250 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by RAF
Crystal is an interesting character. She's an Olympic medalist and yet she doesn't seem to do well in challenges where she should shine. Is she playing us with that strategy or is she all thumbs? I find it interesting that there seems to be absolutely no indication that she was a member of the Olympic Team (not even with the relatives there) so I have to feel that she is purposely withholding that information to appear to be harmless - unless I missed something. If that's the case then I give her the "under the radar" award instead of Susie.

What sport was she in? I'm surprised she is described as "Olympic medalist" rather than "Olympic swimmer" or whatever sport she did.

Didn't she say she was keeping her Olympic history a secret from the others?
post #251 of 312
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Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood
What sport was she in? I'm surprised she is described as "Olympic medalist" rather than "Olympic swimmer" or whatever sport she did.

Didn't she say she was keeping her Olympic history a secret from the others?

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
She announced at the very beginning of the show (either episode one or the TV Guide preview show that I saw) that it was definite strategy on her part that she would NOT be revealing anything about her Olympic experience. And with her complete ineptitude in physical challenges, I think the rest of the cast must be really surprised to learn the truth!

Sprinter. 4 x 100 meter relay. She participated in the qualifying heats but not in the final.
post #252 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

For those currently entered in our HTF Survivor Gabon Top Ten Challenge - I just posted the prize package over in the contest thread (Message #51). 6 titles - 3 of them Blu-ray. Not too shabby for a little home grown contest!

It's coming down to the wire....

post #253 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Best episode since the All-Stars premiere. That was perfect from start to finish.
post #254 of 312

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Randy's grimace at Bob saying he didn't make the HII that was around Sugar's neck was gold.
post #255 of 312

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Wow, that had to be the best Tribal Councl in Survivor history.

Loved watching the jury members as they bagan to catch on to what was coming up.

Pricess watching Randy realizing he'd been duped by Bob.

Surprising Chrystal was such a back stabbing snake ready to turn on Bob if he gave the idol to Kenny. She was actually fairly classy and polite when leaving.
post #256 of 312
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Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

One of the most satisfying episodes of all time. Maybe not the "best"...but certainly the most satisfying. One can only imagine how Kenny feels about being "outplayed."
post #257 of 312

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That was gold, Jerry! Gold!

Seriously, IMO one of the best episodes of all time. Sugar rocks so hard its not even funny. I will not miss Crystal, and speaking of Bob - holy crap! What a contender!
post #258 of 312

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Agreed! This was a rockin' episode! Never thought Crystal would
be the person going home --- but if you have been keeping up with
my posts then you can imagine how satisfied I am with the vote this
week.

You know, I am still a skeptic about this show. It really seems to
me that there are so many unbelievable twists and turns that seem
too obvious to be just coincidental.

I know some reality shows have writers on them. In other words,
they aren't reality shows at all. This was the first time I watched
the ending credits which was kind of neat in itself as I never knew
they showed who voted for who. More importantly, the one thing
I did not notice (through the racing credits) was a list of "writers."
So, therefor, I continue to have this leap of faith that the show is
not being scripted and that what we are watching is indeed "reality."
post #259 of 312

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Tribal Council was stellar but my favorite moment was when Sugar told Matty to let her do the thinking. Sugar is awesome -- love her.

Kenny is done.
post #260 of 312

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I had problems with my DVR so I only started watching right when Bob won the immunity challenge and boy, was I surprised to see Sugar give Matty the immunity idol. Kenny's look of surprise was funny as hell.
post #261 of 312

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Man, Sugar is definitely a great Survivor! Since the beginning she has been playing everyone! I love it!

I'm torn between wanting Bob or Sugar to win this. They have both been doing fantastic out there and while I love Sugar and think she is one master player, I just adore Bob and think it would be great for him to walk away with it all.

Kenny's look when Sugar gave him the idol was priceless. You could see his face go from cocky, to confused to completely deflated when Sugar told Matty " Do what you will with this cursed thing". LOVED IT!

I will say that I was a bit confused by Corinnes reactions. I thought she hated Sugar. She seemed so sparked that the game play had switched up. I didn't get it.
post #262 of 312

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Heh....it was great seeing Kenny the gamer get gamed by both Bob and Sugar. It was indeed a classic Survivor moment. I swear that my heart skipped a beat when Bob started motioning to give his immunity to Kenny only to pull a fast one on him. The look on Kenny's face was priceless indeed!

Now it's a toss-up for me who I'd like to win......either Bob or Sugar would greatly satisfy me. Whatever happens, I DO NOT want Susie to win.....that would be a great disappointment as she's the most undeserving survivor in the group (as most 'under-the-radar' players are).
post #263 of 312

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YESSSSSS (awkward middle aged white guy fist pump) One of the most satisfying tribal councils ever. I was a big fan of Kenny, who used resourcefulness to keep himself in charge, but became so cocky he couldn't imagine anyone turning on him or his alliance. Sugar played the game superbly, engineering every phase of Crystals ouster. I can't imagine Bob had any intention of giving Kenny the necklace after Sugars talk. She was telling him not to give it to Kenny or even to her, but to keep it. Stay safe. That's a no brainer for Bob. The coup de grace was Sugar giving Matty the idol necklace. Pure poetry watching mastermind Kenny get his comeupance. Now I would be content with four of the remaining five winning. Bob and Sugar are my favorites: good players and decent people. Then Matty, a nice guy with potential to win challenges, then Kenny who though he got too big for his britches still played a losing hand into a long run of success. Only Suzie doesn't deserve the win, though she has been smart enough to swing her votes to the rising alliances and keep herself safe.
post #264 of 312

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I echo everyone's thoughts here. Lot of fun to watch and and cheer them on. However ... it was potentially a bad play by Sugar. She could have loaded up the final three with herself, Crystal, Kenny or maybe Susie and she would have gotten all the votes. Great move for good guys everywhere, but potentially bad strategy if you are trying to win. She will have to use this "turning point" as a strong argument in her plea for votes.
post #265 of 312

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I don't know if this was mentioned or not, but what the "F" was
up with Randy's head? Was that a mohawk that SOB was sporting?

I also agree that Suzie has overstayed her welcome. What the
heck is she still doing in this game? What does she do well....collect
fire wood?!

Seems like everyone like Bob and Sugar. No surprise. They are both my
favorites. However, Sugar looks sexier with less clothing so guess who I want to win!

ronshit_lovesmiley.jpg

...and yes, Kenny needs to go next. He has become very unlikable.
post #266 of 312

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I've really enjoyed this season. But then again, I enjoy each and every season.

I too liked Kenny's resourcefulness. But think he may have a tough time now.

If the final 3 is Sugar, Matty and Bob, I think it will be very interesting as you have 3 deserving winners, and all 3 might get votes. If I remember correctly, most of the time only 2 of the final 3 get votes.

Off topic: For a future season, what if they had no teams at all! From the beginning, just 18 playing for individual immunity.
post #267 of 312

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I wouldn't want to see the teams abandoned for an all individual game. One of the pleasures of this game is the contrast of team strategy vs. individual strategy. As a member of a team, it pays to be strong, perform well in challenges, get along well with your team, contribute. That helps your team win and protects you from elimination if your team loses. Those same qualities put a target on your back in individual play. My complaint with the endless reshuffling of teams this season is it made the whole idea of team play moot. Being part of a strong team, building alliances within that team doesn't mean much if the teams are repeatedly scrambled. You end up with only individual play.

Oh and this wasn't such a bad move for Sugar. The jury is full of Kota members. Did you see their joy when Sugar turned the tables on Kenny and Crystal? She has a tough fight to win a jury vote against Bob or Matty but this move would improve her chances against Kenny or Suzie.
post #268 of 312

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Randy's gone all Travis Bickle.
post #269 of 312

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Wow, losing must really suck...or are these folks just losers at life???
After the 2 minute mark....check out how childish Marcus, Corinne, Randy and Charlie are.
At least Charlie recognizes he's being a 2 year old....



Crystal wasn't my favorite...by far.
But when your game is over, get over it.
IT'S A GAME.
They should at least be able to laugh about it when it's over.
It's gotta be a great feeling just to get on the show and go to a faraway land.

Go Sugar!!
post #270 of 312

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Randy's mohawk is courtesy Corrine as the Survivor Ponderosa videos show. It was a bit confusing for a while though as they posted online a video of Randi's thoughts after the game wherein he had the mohawk, yet appeared on the show at the next tribal council without! The order of events got a little confusing for me here!

I've also found on the Ponderosa videos just how much of a terrible person Corrine really is. I mean, I'm not one at ALL to judge people harshly, most especially real people who put themselves on TV, I traditionally sympathize with them, but wow. She is just completely full of herself. Just watch the Ponderosa videos of her after being voted off.

She is that high school bully who is so convinced of her superiority to others that she cannot resist reminding everyone of it at every opportunity. You ever wonder how those oh so 'popular' or 'cool' kids in school turn out? Well Corinne is your answer. She repeatedly refers to her friends as attractive and therefore worthy of that plateau over the other 'losers' who remain in the game, never mind that they are in contention for a million dollar prize and she is not. Crystal arrives at Ponderosa, and she just makes it clear by completely shunning her that she is not worthy of her attention. She is 'uncool' and a waste.

The high school at Ponderosa continues with Marcus being the ultra cool alpha male who agrees with Crystal's exclusion but does not express in as many ways to her. Randi remains the unlikeable (but strangely likable to us!) bully he was on the show, while Charlie is stuck as that really nice guy who doesn't want to be mean to Crystal, but restraints himself from talking to her just so he can keep his 'friends'!

I mean really, Crystal may have been aggressive in the game and socially unskilled, but she remains a human being. You can at least show her that simple respect right?

I'd almost venture to say that Survivor Ponderosa is becoming even more interesting a social experience then the Survivor game itself!
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