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post #181 of 312
11/14/08 at 10:24am
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Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo
The real shocker of the night for me was that Suzie won the immunity necklace. That is not a typo, she actually won the first individual immunity challenge. I don't care that it wasn't a physical challenge -- there was nothing to indicate that Suzie had the ability to win anything out there.

For sure! When the challenge was set up, I turned to my wife and said Bob has this in the bag.

Wrong!

As has happened each of the past few seasons, we seem to see less and less of life-around-camp. However, Susie always seems to say she is the one doing a lot of the work around camp. Maybe she is the main keeper-of-the-flame. Regardless, she built a good fire while most of the others never caught a spark.
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post #182 of 312
11/14/08 at 10:41am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

You know.... the fact that Sugar and Susie started fires seemingly easily indicates to me that, perhaps, they are playing this game even better than I thought.
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post #183 of 312
11/14/08 at 12:30pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Charlie Campisi
Completely unlikable cast left. I've watched every season and don't think I would bail, but it's painful watching these people. The challenges have been great and the setting is fantastic.


Agree 100% with this. I've never bailed on a season of Survivor, just might with this one, but I've got six days to think it over. Reminds me a lot of Big Brother from summer 2007 when that weasel and his daughter were able to win. Probably the most unlikable people on any reality show I've watched.

Most of the remaining cast falls into that category, particularly Crystal. Bob is the only decent one left, but unless he starts winning immunity, even he knows it's hopeless. One of the losers may pull out a win simply because they got a lucky, producer provided majority. Even GC would stand a chance now, he'd be perfectly at home with a tribe of lazy slackers.

There have been plenty of Survivor players I didn't care for, but at least they did something, they played, they contributed and tried to win. Most of this group hasn't done anything worthwhile.

Susie won immunity. Wow, only took about half the season.
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post #184 of 312
11/14/08 at 12:32pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Okay, much to say here.

First of all, I was pissed that Crystal wasn't voted off. I thought
this was the night it would happen, but the show gave itself the
dream of all dreams by building up tension with equal votes cast
between Crystal and Charlie. How the hell did it go from 4-0
votes in favor of voting Crystal off to Charlie getting the next 5
votes in a row?

Oh, I am with Randy -- I don't like Crystal. And that little lying
runt Kenny is getting on my nerves too.

Moving on....

I have to give Bob a huge amount of credibility for creating a
facsimile Idol. What a stroke of utter brilliance. However, the
problem now is that with the merge, Sugar is going to be one
of the first to see that it's a fake.

Really appreciate all of you answering the questions regarding the
more "personal" aspects of the daily survival.

One more question...being a newbie, what is this Jury building box
all about now?

Finally, let me say again that I absolutely love this show.
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post #185 of 312
11/14/08 at 12:47pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
How the hell did it go from 4-0
votes in favor of voting Crystal off to Charlie getting the next 5
votes in a row?
The vote order is selected by the producers for maximum suspense. That's why the first votes are always the ones that are commented on during voting. The votes are not selected randomly, nor are they in the order in which they were cast. That's why, in this season full of blindsides, the wait until the very last vote to reveal who is voted out. Apparently, this process takes a while.

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I have to give Bob a huge amount of credibility for creating a
facsimile Idol. What a stroke of utter brilliance. However, the
problem now is that with the merge, Sugar is going to be one
of the first to see that it's a fake.
Actually, everyone got a good look at the HII (the one they threw away). So it will take some doing or some dumbness to fool anyone with it. Although, unless they just wanted to show off his handiwork, there may be some game reason why they spent time on Bob's idol.

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One more question...being a newbie, what is this Jury building box
all about now?
The members of the Jury will vote who will win the million dollars among the final two or three contestants. That's why backstabbing early on has less consequences than backstabbing at this point, because the ones who blame you for their ouster may get their revenge by not giving you their vote.
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post #186 of 312
11/14/08 at 12:49pm
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Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

From here on in, Ron, the voted-off players are all added onto a jury. It used to be the jury would vote between a final two to decide the sole survivor. Lately, they have been voting for a sole survivor from a final three.

That's why Jeff says the power in the game is now swinging over to the jury. The winner of Survivor is not voted-on by the audience.

About the votes going from 4-0 to 5-4. The order of revelation of the votes is simply a decision made by Probst and the producers. You will note that the first couple of votes you see are always the ones that are shown to the audience during the actual voting process. They get those out of the way first since you know they are coming anyway.
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post #187 of 312
11/14/08 at 1:07pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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The vote order is selected by the producers for maximum suspense. That's why the first votes are always the ones that are commented on during voting. The votes are not selected randomly, nor are they in the order in which they were cast. That's why, in this season full of blindsides, the wait until the very last vote to reveal who is voted out. Apparently, this process takes a while.

Oh, okay, that makes perfect sense. It seemed so obviously strange
the way that voting happened. It was very unnatural. Now that I know
the voting order is prearranged it sits much better with me.

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The winner of Survivor is not voted-on by the audience.

Aaah, another revelation. Pretty cool.

While I have you here, Mike, I sent you a private email a few
days back but have not heard back from you.
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post #188 of 312
11/14/08 at 1:25pm
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Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
While I have you here, Mike, I sent you a private email a few
days back but have not heard back from you.

You will, Ron.

Soon.
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post #189 of 312
11/15/08 at 12:13am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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It seemed so obviously strange the way that voting happened. It was very unnatural. Now that I know the voting order is prearranged it sits much better with me.
Although the ordering of the votes this week was very strange - showing the 4 votes is a row is unusual in an episode where there is such a clear split in the tribe (they would normally do one vote for one, then one for the other). They would normally only pull a vote order like that if it was a true blindside, and this week's vote wasn't.

Loved Randy being such an idiot that he had to effectively give his vote in front of everyone, and having Probst tell him off.

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Although, unless they just wanted to show off his handiwork, there may be some game reason why they spent time on Bob's idol.
Actually, I suspect it may just be to show off the fake idol - just as a further demonstration of Bob's general greatness. Making a fake idol is not a new idea (there was Yau-Man, Ozzy, and did someone else do it as well), but Bob's idol is the first that actually looked like it could have been a real idol. At the moment it seems the only thing Bob can't do is make fire.
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post #190 of 312
11/15/08 at 2:16am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Stan
Susie won immunity. Wow, only took about half the season.

Well, this was only the first proper individual immunity so I don't see the basis for the criticism.
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post #191 of 312
11/15/08 at 6:32am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by MatthewLouwrens
At the moment it seems the only thing Bob can't do is make fire.

LOL! I am still trying to figure out how Suz and Sugar where the only ones to get a fire started. So much for thinking you know is the strongest at something.

As for the many comments about not liking the players this season. I find myself drawn to Corinne's hooters and I hope she does not go home soon.
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post #192 of 312
11/15/08 at 8:23am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

I hope that Bob stays with us for a long while, preferably to take the #1 spot and win! I just enjoy his humor ("and the rest is history... even though I teach science").

His idol was by far the best fake idol yet. Pure genius! It would be great if he was able to use it to confuse people.

As much of a rat as Kenny is, he is the Cerie of this season. He is getting far in this game by pulling strings and manipulating the people around him. It's a game, can't hate him for that. Cerie did the same thing by getting others to do things and think it was their idea. I love it. I think Kenny is going to do well in this game...possibly win. Who knows!

Sugar is not a moron as Corrine would like to think. I think Corrine is the one who is the moron. She fell into that same thing she accused Sugar of... believing what others tell you. Stupid Corrine. All the boobs, none of the brains!

Does Matty's facial expressions crack anyone else up?

I would love to play Survivor golf. That looked like so much fun.
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post #193 of 312
11/15/08 at 9:49am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Paul D G
Well, this was only the first proper individual immunity so I don't see the basis for the criticism.

Didn't say quite what I meant. I meant this is really the first time this season she did anything worthwhile. She got the first individual immunity, but when did she ever do anything helpful for a tribal immunity.
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post #194 of 312
11/15/08 at 1:56pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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I find myself drawn to Corinne's hooters and I hope she does not go home soon.

Hooters? I had to replay her backshot a few times. She was wearing
one mean black bikini that was inching up her cheeks.

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Sugar is not a moron as Corrine would like to think.

You are right.

She is the true "gem" of the bunch. Sexy and smart, this gal
found the idol and has managed to keep her mouth shut from
making stupid comments towards others while becoming the
focal point for anyone that needs to get another voted out.

You know what? I am finding out as a "newbie" here that it's not
necessarily survival of the fittest. The person with the most brains
is gonna win this, and I'm telling you, it often seems as if Sugar is
the smartest of everyone (outside of Bob).
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post #195 of 312
11/15/08 at 3:03pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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You know what? I am finding out as a "newbie" here that it's not
necessarily survival of the fittest. The person with the most brains
is gonna win this
Yup, that has pretty much been the case during most seasons. Very few "physical" players have actually gotten the title of Survivor.
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post #196 of 312
11/15/08 at 3:35pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Sugar's big problem becomes her likability. As the number of survivors narrows, few remaining survivors would want to face a jury against Sugar. Sugar on the other hand was smart in her choice. She alligned with the most unliked group, the Fang remnant. She beats just about any of them (though Kenny if he plays his cards right could pull an upset against her)
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post #197 of 312
11/20/08 at 7:07pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

wow. i am still laughing.
only been watching survivor since the yul winning season.
but that had to be the funniest tribal ever.
classic.

i want sugar to have my babies.
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post #198 of 312
11/20/08 at 7:16pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

But, if I'm Bob, how does burning a jury vote help me win the game? Foolish play on Bob's part (as he also probably burned Corrinne's vote too), and Sugar played Bob to the hilt, and Bob will regret this play, but he's pretty much dead meat anyway unless he goes on an immunity run rivaling the ones by Terry or Kelly.
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post #199 of 312
11/20/08 at 7:40pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

i agree. not sure what bob was thinking there.
but if you saw the preview...i think he does have that other HII.
THAT would really make things interesting.

i've got sugar winning in the HTF challenge, but i'm thinking kenny may be the lock at this point. no one really despises him like they do crystal, sugar and suzie. bob, corinne and matty look likely to be the next boots barring any more shenanigans...lol

this has been an entertaining season to me. lousy fang flipped the script after the switch. kota had it all going for them and they've been blindsided by the 'morons' one by one. i'm lovin it.
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post #200 of 312
11/20/08 at 7:53pm

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Definitely a most enjoyable season! And just when you think they played out that "hidden immunity idol" to the hilt last season in all those back-to-back blunders, along comes Bob with the best fake idol yet! C'mon. Resin and beads, etc. The man has some serious campfire crafts skills! Once he gets kicked off (he's kind of alienated his only remaining supporter, Corrine) he should be picked up by Survivor as the official Idol fabricator.



Great television and the look on Randy's face when he realized that he had been played was priceless! Don't let the jungle hit ya' where the good lord split ya' on the way out dude!



And the Jury House? Talk about "Three's Company."


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post #201 of 312
11/20/08 at 8:00pm
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Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

I was SURE Bob had found the real HII and had given it to Randy setting up a Hitchcockian double plot twist at the end where Bob & Randy would have had the last laugh on the others--especially Sugar.

And, I was thinking it would have been a great play to vote off Sugar and take out the other HII if it could have been done.

If Bob really does have a second HII, he probably should have played it that way because now he's got nothing. I think his teased scheme with Corinne about the HII that went sailing in a bottle is a last-ditch attempt to try and pull something off.

But...seeing as how I was wrong about everything in tonight's episode....

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post #202 of 312
11/21/08 at 1:41am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

This is the kind of episode I want all the anti-Survivor people, those who refuse to watch due to the Reality Show theme, to have to watch. I loved every minute of it, especially how utterly stupid Randy and Corrine must be to apparently assume that Sugar hasn't got the idol despite her being sent to Exile a half a dozen times. Do they think she's just a dumb blond model?

As for why Bob Did It, the only people he'd really piss off was Randy and Corrine. I don't think he'd lose any other votes from the Jury for what he did so he really wouldn't need their votes.

And re the preview. I'm not sure what to think. I think the producers would show us something like the idol being sneaked away. Personally I think he's messing with Corrine even more to get points with everyone else, and she is so blindly evil and stupid that she'll go along with it... again!

What a maroon!
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post #203 of 312
11/21/08 at 3:19am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Oh - one other thing. What happened to Crystal during the Immunity Challenge? She was on the balance beam on the end but they never showed her nor mentioned her once during the challenge. I'm assuming she was completely inept at walking the beam that, for time, they just focused on the other players.

- and she never bid during the auction, either.
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post #204 of 312
11/21/08 at 4:54am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

[Crystal]"Do Not disrespect me"![/Crystal]

She is beyond irritating.
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post #205 of 312
11/21/08 at 6:37am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

I don't think betraying Randy was so foolish for Bob. Circumstances have forced him to play day-to-day. The jury's feelings are the least of his worries because he is in danger of being voted out each tribal by the dominant Fang bunch. If he could ingratiate himself with Sugar (who is easily swayed) it may buy him one free pass on the next tribal. If I were Bob I'd tell Sugar "I did you a favor; I don't want you to vote out one of your own, just vote out Corinne before me." Bob is in the same uneviable position as Yau-Man another of my favorites a few seasons back. Bright, decent physically, not intimidating, generally well-liked. Like Yau-Man he now has to gamble on deals with the enemy to buy himself time. (In the end, it didn't save Yau from elimination)
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post #206 of 312
11/21/08 at 8:30am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

These people are schemers, should be a very interesting run to the end. This season started slow, but has really grown on me. Loving it! Also, loved the new domino style challenge, never seen it before in survivor.
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post #207 of 312
11/21/08 at 9:13am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Bob did what he had to do in order to survive last night's episode and probably is doing the same next week from the preview... have to check out Jeff's Blog... I was thinking of the Movie The Sting the last 20 minutes...
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post #208 of 312
11/21/08 at 9:43am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

Unless there was some verrry creative editing, I can't see how Bob knows about a map to another HII considering he called his fake one his only hope. Survivor retcon anyone?

I loved the exchange of looks between Corinne and Randy right before the HII was tossed into the fire. Did they not notice everyone else was cracking up? I mean, Sugar was practically rolling on the floor.

Bob has become so unkempt (aside from the bowtie) that looked like a homeless guy at times. He also looks like Mr. Peepers grandad.

For all the telegraphing and obviousness, the tribal council was still high comedy. I also loved when Crystal was yelling so loudly during the "private" voting commentary that they could hear it in the back row. She really despised Randy and from the little hints and trickles here and there, I can't blame her. He went from curmudgeonly to distateful very quickly, presumably due to some judicious editing in the beginning to make a bit more palatable.

And yes, Corinne and Randy are of like vicious mind and could not conceive that Sugar actually found the idol due to her "stupidity". I wonder what they will have to say after Sugar outlasts both of them?
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post #209 of 312
11/21/08 at 10:00am

Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Steve_Tk
This season started slow, but has really grown on me. Loving it! Also, loved the new domino style challenge, never seen it before in survivor.

Totally agree. That was the best episode of the season last night. It will be a little less entertaining now that Randy's gone, but it's painfully obvious why he had to go. Can you imagine that guy doing your wedding video?
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post #210 of 312
11/21/08 at 10:01am
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Re: Survivor: Gabon - Season 17

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Originally Posted by Steve_Tk
Also, loved the new domino style challenge, never seen it before in survivor.

I was actually thinking that it's too bad that not ALL the remaining survivors had to set up the dominoes and navigate the trip wires. It would have been fun watching some of the others' different styles in that challenge. For some reason I was especially thinking of Bob & Crystal.
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