Survivor: Gabon - Season 17 - Page 6

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It was perfect for Ken and Crystal. They simply convinced Susie that she was the first to go from the Kota 6, which was in fact absolutely true.

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Let's not forget that it was Marcus who masterminded the tossing of the immunity idol into the ocean. Karma is a bitch.

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Ya know, I still cannot completely figure out that strategy!

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Well, the strategy was that since Marcus's Kota group had a 6 to 4 numbers advantage, and they thought the merge was happening, Marcus didn't want any on the Fang tribe to snap up the immunity idol, especially since Sugar might have found the earlier immunity idol (though Randy gave her a snowball's chance in hell to find it), which would give the Fang tribe two of the immunity idols, and there's the odd possibility that the remaining 2 Fangsters might win individual immunity, and then 3 of the 4 would be safe, and you don't know if the targetted Fang would play the idol (if the II got swapped around, leaving their Kota 6 open for elimination.

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I can see how people could complain about the show getting predictable, the stronger players just going down the line and picking off the weak.

However, the weak players this week didn't earn anything on their own, it was just a bunch of slackers getting lucky only because the producers shuffled the teams.

Weak players who earn a place in the game, like Yau Man from a few seasons back, make the show enjoyable. These three players are pathetic, and if one of them were to win, it would really take away from the "spirit" of the show.

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Have you noted the list of winners on this show? It's rarely the physically dominant contestant that actually wins. Fireman Tom was the last of the truly dominant player who won it all (but he had the help of the Ian meltdown with Katie), and that was 7 seasons ago.

Richard was ahead of the curve in the first season.

Colby got played by Tina in season 2.

Ethan in season 3 was physically adept, but he also had Lex running interference for him.

The writing was on the wall (in terms of the social aspect of the game) when it ended up being Vecepia vs. Neelah in season 4.

Brian in season 5 had a good combo of social/physical/mental.

Jenna Morasca in season 6 found a way to beat 4 guys at the end and won easily over physically dominant (and socially inept) Matthew.

How many people remember Sandra won in the season 7 before All-Stars, even though Rupert was the fan fave?

Robfather pretty much pulled Amber through for a win in All-Star season 8, but she still won over him in a vote.

Chris somehow in season 9 became the only man left in a group of 5-6 women, but managed to work it for a win after manuevering Twila into a final two.

Fireman Tom in season 10 won even though he was a physically dominating force, but also had a solid alliance.

In season 11, who picked Danni for the win with fan favorites Steph and Bobby Jon in the mix?

Aras wasn't the most dominant in season 12, but buoyed by the numbers in his alliance, when more physically dominant Terry was done in by lily-pad floating challenge.

While Yul was physically fit, he used much more than brawn to put himself in the right spot for a win in season 13, as Ozzie was the more physically gifted player.

Earl also wasn't a major physical threat, but ran with the right crowd in a crazy season 14 (remember Dre and Yau-Man's "deal" that paved the way for Yau's demise in the game? Otherwise Yau was the more sympathetic player had he made it to the final 2)

Todd certainly wasn't the strongest in athleticism, but was strategic enough to finally cut "strong as bull" James loose as he formed better relationships with his allies in season 15.

Who picked Parvati to win fans/faves season 16? The craziest season of blindsides so far (haven't seen all the blindside of season 17 yet).

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Yep, I mentioned that to one of my coworkers that I like for the "ultimate survivor" to be somewhat worthy of the title and at least have actually won a challenge and not cry about it if they don't.
Kenny, Crystal, and Susie might have lucked up this one time but that doesn't make them worthy of the title.

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It is usually the mentally dominate ones that win it, Pavarity being one, Yul was both physical and mentally strong.
What would infuriate me is if one of the three I mentioned were to win by flying under the radar like Sandra Diaz from Pearl Islands.

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Parvarti played a socially dominant game. Yul was helped by partnering with Ozzie, taking the physical target off of Yul for most of the game, and applying good game theory of the likes of John Nash by appealing to other's self-interest in their decision-making in the game of Survivor.

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But they haven't flown under the radar, they just made the biggest power play of the season! The only real under the radar player remaining this season is Bob. Maybe Charlie.

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I'm interested that only one or two people in this thread have mentioned the most enjoyable part of the episode, which was everyone throwing away an immunity idol. I remember Probst in a pre-season interview promising the single-dumbest move with an immunity idol, and I have to assume that's what he was referring to. I can't work out why someone didn't just take the damn thing. So what if everyone sees it - a Fang person should have taken it because they're already an underdog, and a Kota person should have taken it just to stop a Fang member from taking it. Everyone usually ends up knowing who has the idol, so the fact that the idol would have been taken in front of everyone wouldn't have made much difference, and it would have created some uncertainty about how and when the person would play the idol. But for people to be talked into throwing the thing away is just incredible.

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I am loving every minute of this show. Where have I been all
these years without it?

The next two people I want to see voted off is Suzie and Crystal.
Not fans of either. I am appalled that Suzie thinks she should be
in the top 3. She should have been one of the very first voted off.

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Both should be next, I am actually rooting for Sugar now...

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I'd like to see Sugar win it too. Nobody else in the game at this point, other than Randy, has any personality whatsoever.

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I'm telling you...Sugar has gotta win this!

Okay, so here is the big question that I am sure has been
discussed endlessly before, but as a newbie here, I'd like
someone to answer again....

The things we never see....

Going to the bathroom. Are there porta-johns out of camera
sight or are these guys digging holes in the dirt and covering it
up with leaves?

Washing clothes. Who is doing it? I never see it. Hell, I don't
even see clothes lines hanging up.

I would truly like to believe these contestants are really out there
as survivors, but at the same time I wonder what sort of amenities
are available to them?

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The only times they get the amenities is if they win some awesome luxury challenge and get to clean up "right", otherwise, it's pooping in the wood, peeing in the ocean, swimming to "clean" their clothing (they don't have much clothing as it is, as it is called "Survivor" for a reason, which includes the elements, as well as all the conniving and scheming).

Unless their cuts get infected, they are on their own, but medical help is nearby, but it could cost them their spot in the game if their medical condition is life-threatening.

One thing I suspect the contestants do get is sunscreen because none of them appear to get sunburns, but I could be just optimistic about that aspect of the game.

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Really? I saw it coming a mile away. It made a lot more sense for Susie to vote the way she did.

I loved the way everyone thought the tribes were going to merge and they're enjoying this feast and being all cocky and decide to throw away the idol and...there was no merge! LOL. I gotta hand it to the writers...that was a good one.

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Ron, one season, one of the luxury items was an outhouse made out of native materials as well as a shower constructed out of bamboo I think.
I really think they use whatever is available but may be issued toilet paper and I know the women get "female products" (ahem...).

I've seen contestents washing clothes in the lake, rivers, etc. but they are not laundered with modern washers or dryers. If you look at Randy's shirt you can tell that thing has not been washed since he got there as well as Dan's suit and Bob's shirt. I don't think i've seen clothes hanging to dry this series but I have in the past.

Edit: Patrick beat me to it but to add, I did read that they are issued sunscreen.

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I'm not sure if I recall correctly, but I think I remember someone getting booted, or nearly so, for boiling his underthings in the drinking water boiling pot.

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Yep, BB in the first season irritated his tribe by (among other things) washing his clothes in their drinking water. It wasn't the main reason for his boot (he asked to be voted out) but it certainly didn't help.

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Randy's comment when he held up his "C.C" vote was LOL funny.

Hope Marcus doesn't need to get a restraining order now that Charlie is in the jury house with him, just the two of them.

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Completely unlikable cast left. I've watched every season and don't think I would bail, but it's painful watching these people. The challenges have been great and the setting is fantastic.

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I, on the other hand, am loving watching this season. Lots of good old backstabbing and suckerpunching. Feel bad for Charlie because he was a likeable guy and never saw coming but it was fun to watch, lol. Even funnier were his words at the end, talking about how happy he was to be with Marcus on the jury (and the house), lol. Run Marcus, Run!

I was on the computer so I might've missed this but...did they show Sugar remembering that Ken lied about Ace? How and when did she realize this because I didn't see it.

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In a previous episode, Matty and Sugar talked about Ace's ouster, and that's when Sugar caught wind of Kenny's lying ways, but she fell for it again and got used to get rid of Charlie.

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Loved the reactions from Marcus' posse when they realized that he was voted off.....they looked like they lost their reason for living - especially Charlie. I also enjoyed Kenny's reaction to Corinne's remark that Marcus didn't deserve to go. It was classic.

As for Randy during the Survivor golf challenge.....geez, this guy needs to calm down! Not only is he grumpy (reminds me of Rudy from Survivor 1), the guy is a real control freak....even at tribal council he has to stick it to Matty with his 9/10 vs 10/10 quote. Nobody could possibly miss a shot from that vantage point.....Let it go.

Sugar continues to frustrate me......she's not voting out the ones I want gone.

Guess Charlie is happy though with how things turned out anyway.

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Okay, I'm officially off the Randy bandwagon. I was amused by his misanthropic side, but the racist part was a bit too ugly.

So now I'm on the Kenny bandwagon! I thought he should have put his Charlie animus aside and gunned for Randy because it would have been easier to get Sugar to boot off Randy instead of Charlie, but this has got a whole "Revenge of the Nerds" vibe to it:

Kenny = Lewis
Bob = Coach Harris
Marcus = Stan
Sugar = Betty
Randy = Ogre
Crystal = Lamar

While Ken was lying about Charlie being the brains of old Koda, I think that he was the only thing holding that alliance together. Now, it is possible that Marcus' ouster would have led it to fracturing anyway, but between Randy and Corinne, there is no "nice face" of Koda to convince others to come to their side. And Bob is too internal to be an out in front leader. Ken has to watch out for Matt, however -- that guy just isn't reliable. Also, he's dumb and prone to Jedi mind tricks.

While I was entertained by Bob's artistry and industry in creating a fake idol (compared to Ozzy's stick, it was Cartier watch), the other tribemates have seen a real idol, and it doesn't look like that. The only way it flies is because it looks too meticulously crafted to be contestant made. And did you notice how the producers reset and replaced all the clues for the HII but not the HII itself? Quite the Snipe hunt for old Bobbo.

The real shocker of the night for me was that Suzie won the immunity necklace. That is not a typo, she actually won the first individual immunity challenge. I don't care that it wasn't a physical challenge -- there was nothing to indicate that Suzie had the ability to win anything out there.

Random Jeff Probst quote that made me laugh out loud:

"Charlie is six inches from the hole!"

Patrick, are they at or near the record for most blind side vote offs at Tribal Council? I never thought they would top last season haul.

When he squints, Matt looks like an anime character, but I'm not sure which one. Any takers?

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What's funny is that most of the people who have been blindsided so far think they are "better" than the remaining contestants, it's that arrogance that doesn't motivate them to play a higher social game from the onset, especially when your "numbers" aren't a guarantee due to game theory (where each contestant should be trying to make a case by appealing to other's self-interest to get enough of a majority to not put down their name), and rely on a loose-knit alliance that has been tested time and time again this season, to many players' detriment.

I don't know how many more "blindsides" this game has in store for us, as lines are pretty much drawn by now, it's 4 on 4, but Sugar does have a genuine HII, and Bob has his faux HII.

But the blindsides are coming a lot faster this season than in most other seasons, mainly due to more re-shuffling of the tribes which makes players become nimble in their gameplay, or they get sent home for being the most obvious contestant to convince others to send home (as long as their own names aren't being written down).

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Isn't it 5-3 after Sugar's swing vote went to old Fang?

Sugar
Ken
Crystal
Suzie
Matt

Corinne
Randy
Bob

I can still see the potential for a Ken or Sugar blindside (the latter to flush out the idol). I think, though, that Randy's only chance is to be so obnoxious, so hateful, that everyone will want to get him into Final TC as that seems to be the easiest way to win the million dollars. Well, assuming you got to Final Tribal.

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Oh, sorry, I did mean 5-3, which makes for blindsides a little less of a surprise, but you still just never know if Sugar will peel off the old Fang tribe along with Matty since Kenny was the one who sandbagged her alliance with Ace earlier.