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post #91 of 876
9/16/08 at 12:10am

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

Well despite the new ideas introduced into the Terminator universe, I did enjoy the episode.

But is anyone else wondering how the girlfriend will die? I'm thinking, if this were cable, Cameron would decide she's a liability and kill her. Since it's network, I'm thinking, Cameron will decide she's a liability but she'll get killed by someone else.
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post #92 of 876
9/16/08 at 4:24am

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I, too, vote no on John and Riley sleeping together. There really was no indication of it from the next morning. He was fully dressed when he woke up. Something is up with Riley, though. Interesting that she could spend the night away from home on a school night and no worry about parental concern.
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post #93 of 876
9/16/08 at 6:48am

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Stephen Orr
Something is up with Riley, though. Interesting that she could spend the night away from home on a school night and not worry about parental concern.

Good catch!

There is definitely something "fishy" going on there. And I wonder why John wanted her to always provide the date when she calls his cell?

I, too, miss the Conner "narratives" at the beginning and end of the episodes. After all, these are supposed to be her "chronicles".
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post #94 of 876
9/16/08 at 7:16am

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I realize that the show is ignoring T3 but I just assumed that the terminator who took the plant guy's form was a T-X.

Sure it appeared to be a T-800 model, probably was, but it's easy to assume that Skynet simply upgraded the T-800's to be able to do this.

I bet the new girl is part of this somehow, I would say that she's a Terminator like Cameron but surely Cameron would have knew that when she scanned her. Cameron playing pool and triangulating her shot was hilarious.

Oh, and they didn't have sex, didn't pick up on that at all.
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post #95 of 876
9/16/08 at 7:42am

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Joseph Bolus
And I wonder why John wanted her to always provide the date when she calls his cell?
Sarah and Reese were doing it to; it appears to be a simple way to confirm that the person on the other end of the line is who they say they are and not under duress.
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post #96 of 876
9/16/08 at 9:28am
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I realize that the show is ignoring T3 but I just assumed that the terminator who took the plant guy's form was a T-X.
It's not that they've ignored T3 — Sarah Connor wouldn't have been threatened with cancer if they had — it's that the events of the pilot splintered off and created a new timeline. Cameron is from the T3 timeline. But her getting sent back along with Cromartie threatened that timeline, and when they jumped forward through the time machine in the bank, it basically meant a total split.
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post #97 of 876
9/16/08 at 10:23am

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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
- I saw a list of larger objectives on the wall at the end.

- I saw Sarah asking about the new future, not the old one.

- I did not see John getting busy with his new friend that he just met that day. In fact, I didn't even see a "morning after" scene, as they took off from school and the girl ends up saying that she needs to get back for English class. Same day.

- We've already seen imitation T-800's.

So far, I'm still watching.

I agree with everything except it was an overnighter. No sex, though.

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This is one area where I don't think they cheated, even though the T-1001 would have been more logical.

Who says the T-1001 has the same agenda as the rest of Skynet? The T-800 wanted to make sure the plant went live and then cause it to melt down. The T-1001 made sure it will operate safely, albeit with controls built in to allow it to make some use of it in the future. I guess you could say it's "smarter," since instead of simply blowing a single nuke plant, it now controls an entire string of them.

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Something is up with Riley, though. Interesting that she could spend the night away from home on a school night and not worry about parental concern.

Good catch!

She was evasive when John asked her about her parents.
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post #98 of 876
9/16/08 at 10:49am

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Who says the T-1001 has the same agenda as the rest of Skynet? The T-800 wanted to make sure the plant went live and then cause it to melt down. The T-1001 made sure it will operate safely, albeit with controls built in to allow it to make some use of it in the future. I guess you could say it's "smarter," since instead of simply blowing a single nuke plant, it now controls an entire string of them.

This is when the show loses me though. The problem with a show where people come from the future is that the actions of the current most assuredly can change that future.

With a rebel base taken out of the picture now, wouldn't that change a great deal about where they would go in the future, who might survive, etc.?

Skynet coming back to meddle and then John Connor trying to counter it is almost like a chess game. And it's interesting. But when they announced the automation of numerous plants, it was like: pawn take rook. It wasn't just one plant or base that changed in the future, it was that now SkyNet would have vast reserves in the future it didn't have before.

So, you have to feel as though there needs to be counterbalance episodes where Sarah & John do something that will negatively impact SkyNet's resources in the future to offset that, if only to keep somewhat status quo.

The whole thing is way too messy still.
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post #99 of 876
9/16/08 at 10:51am

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
It's not that they've ignored T3 — Sarah Connor wouldn't have been threatened with cancer if they had

According to T3, Sarah died in 1997; the pilot for TSSC takes place in 1999 and Cameron says Sarah would die in 2005 if not for the time jump. The writers are ignoring everything about T3, and the cancer is just a coincidence.
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post #100 of 876
9/16/08 at 11:23am

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"This is when the show loses me though. The problem with a show where people come from the future is that the actions of the current most assuredly can change that future. With a rebel base taken out of the picture now, wouldn't that change a great deal about where they would go in the future, who might survive, etc.?"


Indeed, one could well ask, when they were faced with this latest news that a nuke plant was relevant to the resistance, why didn't they say "screw it, we're going to prevent Skynet from coming online in the first place, so none of that future occurs at all. Let's go get donuts!"

That would be more in keeping with their intent. At this point though it appears that they are planning on losing -- they are planning on Judgment Day actually happening -- so they're willing to just improve the odds for the resistance rather than actually preventing Judgment Day.
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post #101 of 876
9/16/08 at 11:31am

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I just enjoy these android vs man shows.
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post #102 of 876
9/16/08 at 11:37am

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Originally Posted by seanOhara
According to T3, Sarah died in 1997; the pilot for TSSC takes place in 1999 and Cameron says Sarah would die in 2005 if not for the time jump. The writers are ignoring everything about T3, and the cancer is just a coincidence.
No coincidence. I thought they shifted the whole T1/T2/T3 timeline a number of years before they did the time jump. Then, given that shift, they jumped over the events of T3 and mentioned when the cancer would have taken place had they not time jumped.

Neil
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post #103 of 876
9/16/08 at 12:17pm

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All other considerations aside, I thought it was confirmed by the show-runners that they are, for lack of a better term, completely ignoring T3. Not just in terms of the timeline, but anything and everything that occured in the movie.
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post #104 of 876
9/16/08 at 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by NeilO
No coincidence. I thought they shifted the whole T1/T2/T3 timeline a number of years before they did the time jump. Then, given that shift, they jumped over the events of T3 and mentioned when the cancer would have taken place had they not time jumped.

Yup, that's my understanding too. Even T2 played loose with the age of Connor.
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post #105 of 876
9/16/08 at 1:01pm

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Originally Posted by Will_B
Indeed, one could well ask, when they were faced with this latest news that a nuke plant was relevant to the resistance, why didn't they say "screw it, we're going to prevent Skynet from coming online in the first place, so none of that future occurs at all. Let's go get donuts!"

That would be more in keeping with their intent. At this point though it appears that they are planning on losing -- they are planning on Judgment Day actually happening -- so they're willing to just improve the odds for the resistance rather than actually preventing Judgment Day.
Well, they're human beings and living somewhat nearby. They might not have liked the idea of a nuclear power plant melting down in the greater Los Angeles area - hard as Sarah was in Judgment Day, she's not cavalier with human life, and it's not like they could go to the police with their dead guy who warned them that robots from the future were going to sabotage a power plant.

As to "planning on losing"... They might just be being pragmatic. Yeah, the big plan is preventing SkyNet from coming online. But Sarah had thought she'd done that before, so the whole thing might look kind of inevitable. Especially to Reese, who may have doubts about wiping his home timeline out.

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This is when the show loses me though. The problem with a show where people come from the future is that the actions of the current most assuredly can change that future.

With a rebel base taken out of the picture now, wouldn't that change a great deal about where they would go in the future, who might survive, etc.?
I'd love it if they revealed that Cameron and the T-1001 were from alternate futures, and that the agents their respective Skynets send into the past have different agendas, but I don't know if the writers are comfortable explaining that concept to a mainstream audience. It would be kind of neat if we/they occasionally got status reports of what the future was like, but that sort of fluid future is sometimes tough for hardcore sci-fi fans to get their heads around, much less the audience that mainly wants to see people and humanoid robots kicking the crap out of each other without too much complication.
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post #106 of 876
9/16/08 at 1:42pm

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I can't quite place it. Sarah's ex's new wife.... what else has she been in recently? She looks really familiar and I can't figure out from what.
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post #107 of 876
9/16/08 at 1:55pm

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She's Penny from Lost. I had to think about it a minute when I was watching. I just knew I got warm feelings from her, and then I flashed Chuck-like on her and saw my bud Desmond and knew who she was.
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post #108 of 876
9/16/08 at 2:13pm

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Did anybody else see this broadcast in a black letterbox on all four sides? It was still approximately 16x9 format, but it had a big annoying border all the way around it. Really bad idea. Anybody know anything about it?

For reference, I am watching on Directv with a Pioneer Kuro plasma.

JK
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post #109 of 876
9/16/08 at 2:20pm

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
She's Penny from Lost. I had to think about it a minute when I was watching. I just knew I got warm feelings from her, and then I flashed Chuck-like on her and saw my bud Desmond and knew who she was.

Ahhh I knew I knew her from somewhere, thanks, that was bugging me.
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post #110 of 876
9/16/08 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by John Kilroy
Did anybody else see this broadcast in a black letterbox on all four sides? It was still approximately 16x9 format, but it had a big annoying border all the way around it. Really bad idea. Anybody know anything about it?
Fox is airing the show 16x9 on its standard definition feed as well as its HD feed. For whatever reason, DirectTV must have run the SD feed (4x3 picture with hard mattes at the top and bottom) instead of the HD feed.
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post #111 of 876
9/17/08 at 5:13pm

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Originally Posted by Joe_H
Ahhh I knew I knew her from somewhere, thanks, that was bugging me.


She was also the female FBI agent who was decapitated by terrorists) and was the wife in the old HBO show Mind of the married man ( I believe).
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post #112 of 876
9/17/08 at 5:15pm

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Iover analyze everything and I am telling you that most of you guys think way too much about this stuff.

It is TV, just sit back and enjoy! Let it be the semi mindless entertainment that it is supposed to and not worry about if it was a t-800, t1001, sent back in time or whatever.
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post #113 of 876
9/17/08 at 5:37pm

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Originally Posted by MikeyWeitz
Iover analyze everything and I am telling you that most of you guys think way too much about this stuff.

It is TV, just sit back and enjoy! Let it be the semi mindless entertainment that it is supposed to and not worry about if it was a t-800, t1001, sent back in time or whatever.

Indeed Mike. The fact is that the first film is the only one that will hold up to the worlds own logic and the inherent problems of "timetravel." So you either allow the subsequent movies/series to have a certain laps, or you don't get to go for the ride.
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post #114 of 876
9/17/08 at 8:47pm

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
She's Penny from Lost. I had to think about it a minute when I was watching. I just knew I got warm feelings from her, and then I flashed Chuck-like on her and saw my bud Desmond and knew who she was.

I think you may be watching too much TV Greg. Wait a minute...I knew exactly what you were talking about.

This weeks episode was pretty low key, but I didn't mind it. It feels like they are building up to something.
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post #115 of 876
9/22/08 at 7:07pm

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After tonight's episode (the episode with the always-on-tv pier), I understand why Riley is on the show. She's the answer to the studio's request for bigger boobs!

It was an ok episode, but it seems like they're holding back on the drama a bit much. Next week's episode, judging by the previews, is an essential story. But this week's was not. All they did this week was throw away a cast member. I think the show has some problems, though of course by now they've probably adjusted them and we'll see the improvements a few more episodes in.

Losing interest, but still watching.
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post #116 of 876
9/22/08 at 7:18pm

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The one issue I have... she's pregnant? Um, she looks totally different in most of the show than the one scene where they showed she was pregnant. Unless I'm entirely confused and that was someone else.

If she is, her clothes do a great job of hiding things lol.
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post #117 of 876
9/22/08 at 8:08pm
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The one issue I have... she's pregnant? Um, she looks totally different in most of the show than the one scene where they showed she was pregnant. Unless I'm entirely confused and that was someone else.
You're entirely confused. The pregnant woman is the neigbhor/super for the absentee landlord. Riley is the high school girl. They look similiar, but are two seperate people.

I really enjoyed this episode (even if it got obliterated by the two hour "Heroes" premiere..) Cromartie's plan was actually really clever by the show's standard.

And I agree with Will, next week's episode looks essential. It could also help explain the main criticism of the power plant episode.
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post #118 of 876
9/22/08 at 8:15pm

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
You're entirely confused. The pregnant woman is the neigbhor/super for the absentee landlord. Riley is the high school girl. They look similiar, but are two seperate people.

I really enjoyed this episode (even if it got obliterated by the two hour "Heroes" premiere..) Cromartie's plan was actually really clever by the show's standard.

And I agree with Will, next week's episode looks essential. It could also help explain the main criticism of the power plant episode.

Ohhhhh okay thanks for explaining. I thought there was something I missed, that makes so much more sense lol.
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post #119 of 876
9/22/08 at 8:26pm

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Like this episode better than last weeks but that is not saying much.
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post #120 of 876
9/22/08 at 9:06pm

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I had to laugh when the terminator sank to the bottom of the sea. Doh!

Is Busy Philips really that pregnant, or is she wearing a huge prostetic belly?
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