"TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread - Page 25

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She and Cameron kind of became friends in the first season, when the Conners were trying to get new IDs or something. The hispanic gang, with the uncle that betrayed the Conners.

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Yes, she was the Latina gangster who was part of the crew (who made the fake ID's) who was wiped out by the terminators.

In addition, I think Cameron knew she was damaged physically and had no hopes of reparining her metal, so she put her chip in John Henry's body, effectively giving her a new, no damaged body to work with.
In effect, John henry has now become Cameron.
Healthy Cameron chip in healthy metal.

John Henry was the body attached to the computer.
Not a chip which is why he wasn't mobile.

Now that Cameron's chip is in John Henry, John Henry is no more and Cameron has taken over Chrome Artie's body with her brain so to speak.

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Maybe, but I think it is more likely that Cameron donated her chip so that John Henry could write himself onto the chip and become mobile. Cameron recognized that he could help bring peace to the war, since he appreciates the sacredness of human life -- whereas she herself, deep down as she said, still wants to kill. Whether Cameron's personality and memories still exist depends on how much room John Henry needed on her chip -- maybe she's on a partition, but possibly not -- who wants to live forever?

On another forum, someone suggested that John might now discover that the current leader of the resistance is Savannah Weaver. That would be neat -- I could see where a comic book writer, if they were to continue the series, would definitely want to bring her in to the story, now that she and John are about the same age and have a shared history of tying shoelaces.

Someone also suggested that Cameron is now in the Turk, but I don't believe that is the case. I think she just typed her final message on that system, but did not download herself into it. Depends on how powerful the writers wanted to make her sacrifice.

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Terminate Yourself

Turn yourself into a T-800!

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Cool ending - though I didn't buy Sarah not going with John.

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That's what I thought.

I re-watched the episode this morning. John's reaction to seeing Allison was pretty well played - excitement at finding Cameron and then realizing it's not her and what all that means.

I am having my usual series-ending-related-melancholy with this show. I didn't have it so much with "Life", which seems to be in a similar state of not-quite-limbo. I also seem to like creating a bunch of hyphenates when I'm in this mood.

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This could've been a good show if the writers put the talent into it like some of the shows. I would say that I like about 12 shows they did in the end and those are the ones that really clicked and worked keeping it to the core 3 characters. I just don't think the talent of the writers was good enough overall, especially given the horrid scripts they were given as a whole making the show lose focus.

Given what is know about the actors and if Summer is gone on to another project then it was more or less just a short 12 episode arc for me. It's a shame because with some better writing and keeping it on focus it may have been a decent series for 4-5 seasons.

The producer already said this was NOT a series finale even though it will be if not picked up by someone else. In the article he said they did not have near enough time to provide an ending to wrap things up and all they could do was a SEASON finale to tie up what they had done so far the best they could.

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the way the show ended i thought sarah jumped forward. they moved the camera to the jump point, a small blue flash went off and you heard sarah say i love you too john, i took that to mean she changed her mind and came forward

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I agree. SOMEONE came through, that's for sure. It pretty much has to be Sarah.

I do think, if the show continues, it will be in this future timeline.

I'm pretty much just peeved that it may not continue. Look at all the interesting theorizing and talk going on! It's a smart and creative show! Bring it back!!!

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I don't think anyone else came through. I think it was just the "power of Sarah's love" reaching through as space-time continued to ripple after the jump.

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I too believe it was just her words being carried forward in one of the lightning flashes. She likely said those words as he vanished. Eddies in the space time continuum.

It makes sense she stayed behind; she knows that if she is indeed dying of cancer, a clean break now makes sense, rather than having John "waste time" trying to keep her comfortable in the ruins of the future during her last days.

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Wait a sec...the camera shows us a distinctly separate crackle and flash we all know as the signature of a time jump/bubble. And, you guys think it was the power of Sarah's love carried across time??

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I think that it was just the dying down of the electricity, as the time portal faded away. Even though that scene was a few minutes in our real time after the jump, I think it was supposed to be immediately after they jumped in the show time. I certainly don't think she jumped through.

As long as we're nitpicking that though, I'd like to know just how John Henry jumped through time? We've seen in the movies that the time bubble destroys anything it "overlaps" and generally leaves a smoking crater, and we saw that as well in the final scene where Sarah says "I love you". However, when they first burst in the room AFTER John Henry had jumped, everything was in well perfect condition. Oops.

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We know what it looks like when they arrive from a bubble, but not what it looks like when one leaves.

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Plus, there was no crater, no bubble, and no Sarah Connor.

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If so, why be ambiguous about it?

Also where did they the female terminator go? Back in time?

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Cameron? She stayed in the present. Her metal endoskeleton was pretty exposed so she couldn't come through the time portal. Only living things come through (or replicated living things in the case of the T-1000) Catherine Weaver just says "it doesn't come through" but that's the reason.

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It's a shame to see this show end but if this was the series finale, I'm OK with the more questions than answers part. Time travel in concept is such an open ended hypothesis, there never will be any certainty with storylines.

A network like HBO or SHO should pick it up and go full on ballistic future Terminator chaos. They have the budget, and more people would probably watch than on regular network TV.

I loved every minute of this show. This 'Terminator world' was more enjoyable to me than T2 & T3. I thought each of the 4 main characters nailed their roles to perfection. The actors who played Sarah, John, Cameron and Ellison were outstanding. This is the type of Sci-Fi I dig, and hope all the folks involved with TSCC get all the kudos they deserve.
Bring on the season 2 blu....and give us some beefy extras!

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As everyone who's been paying attention for a while now knows that I have not been the biggest . . . um, proponent of the show. My hatred for the show was not so much how they handled the franchise, but the way that it was executed. In all honesty, 3/4 of this season has been total shit. The writing has been sub par, inconsistent direction (not the guy who yells "Action!" but the overall vision of the show) and the acting mediocre at best. We've had episodes that did nothing other than run the clock down with no foward progress on the story or nor the background of the main characters or supporting cast. It's been such a train wreck, that I'm shocked that it's lasted this long.

That said - this was pretty good.

If Terminator had been what the last three or so episodes had been the whole series long, things would have been looking pretty rosey for the future. If the show returns (and that's a VERY big if) they really need to sit down with the entire creative team (right down to the Best Boy) and build from there. They need to plan out the season with a concise progression of events and write their episodes to best tell that story. You can have a few throwaway episodes here, but in the end the season has to have a *point* and it has to be fun and interesting to hold your audience attention.

That said, I also think it was damn irresponsible to write a cliffhanger mind-fuck ending when your show has been canceled. That's just pissing on what few fans you have left.

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Sorry I meant Weaver. Did she go back to the past or go somewhere else? Not having caught all the episodes it looked like she was on humanity's side but her true intentions were probably kept murky I assume?

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She came forward to the post-JD world with John. But she snuck off before the resistance fighters came upon John. The scene showed her arriving with John, naked, then she emulated some Road Warrior-esque clothing, and then snuck off.

Weaver had previously gone back to the past (to 2009), but as far as where the show left off, she's in the post-JD (post-Judgement Day) world now, same as John.

She may be on humanity's side in so far as she respects the way that humans can "cross against the light". She values the way humans think, and it appears that for that reason she feels that the policy of killing all of humanity is not a good idea -- that it is in fact an appallingly primitive idea that would mean that machines might forever be stuck doing routine things. So she's a potential ally, an opponnent of the machines who do not value humans at all -- even if her reasons may have more to do with respecting the way humans think, rather than respecting any sanctity of life. But she's trying to comprehend these things. She tried to learn compassion for the human daughter. So she'll generally keep humans alive. Except when they mess up her plans, then she has no remorse.

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I agree with your sentiment overall about the show. Like I have said before, it can really be condensed down to about 12 episodes and the rest was just filler. The writers knew since almost the beginning of the year the show was in major trouble and they thought it would be over about 6 or so episodes before getting the green light for the last few.

EW even mentioned the actors like Summer thought she was reduced to just basically a cameo role this year. She was right because this show was good when it stayed focused on just the core 3 characters of John, Sarah and Cameron. I did not care for any of the other B.S. they did this year and the lack of talent and caring showed in the quality. I think they just gave up on it once they knew the audience was not there for this show.

I did not find any of the characters well done except the core 3 and perhaps the Weaver "Garbagebot" character. Had the quality remained like the last 3 as you say, then it would have been a darn good show.

I think by now the core actors though have moved on to other prjects and there is little hope of it finding a new home. Only if they were able to get new writers and keep the quality up like in the last few shows would it succeed anyway.

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Thanks for the recap Will.

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I echo the feelings of a lot of people here - the last 3 shows have shown the potential this series has/had. But then so did the end of the first season and look what happened.

I would love for the show to continue after the last few episodes but not if Season 3 goes the same way of Season 2. Too much of Season 2 was wasted.

How about a 12 episode series like Season 1. The writers seemed more focus when they only had 12 episodes to write for a season.

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But just think how much money will be left on the table if it's a 13 episode season instead of a full 20-something episode season.

That said, I agree with you. But then, I feel that way about seasons in general. It's generally too draining on the creative talent to do 20-something episodes, and they end up just cranking out uninspired content.

If we insist on adhering to the outdated sweeps model, it wouldn't bother me if we had series that start after the end of each sweeps period and end at the end of the next sweeps period. I'm not sure how the actors, writers, etc. would feel about that though. As I said, it affects their dollars.

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OK ... I've read pretty much every posting in this thread ... (I'm generally a lurker more than a poster). Like a lot of you, I loved the season/series finale and what it could mean for future storylines. This is real wishful thinking, but ..... here's an off-the-wall idea.... If the show were to continue, who says it has to "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." Sarah's part is essentially done ... John's been trained, he's made it past Judgement Day, he knows his importance in the future. I've discovered that of the main characters, I actually enjoyed seeing John, Cameron and Derek far more than Sarah. So theoretically, this show could be "cancelled" and maybe FOX (or another network - SciFi???) could continue the show as something new????? If they built off the promotion from Terminator:Salvation, I would think there might be the chance of an increased audience for the story and if it were to continue in the future timeline, they could even tie it in to the new film (almost as a prequel .... clearly they won't get Christian Bale to play in the series, but have Thomas Dekker continue the role.) It could be the "John Connor Chronicles" ....

Like I said, wishful thinking, but who knows, if the new movie is popular enough, it could be possible....

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Well I just watched the Bond film The World Is Not Enough and then watched the music video.
Perhaps this was Shirley Manson's audition to play a killer robot

Garbage have done 3 really good albums as well IMO

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Just another note on Sarah's "I love you too." at the end. At Zeira Corp when John and Sarah are waiting for Ellison, John talks to his mom about her being sick. Then right before walking forward to meet Ellison, John says "I love you" which seemed to catch Sarah off-guard and she says nothing. Then at the very end of the episode we hear her say "I love you too." So it was just Sarah belatedly responding to John from earlier in the episode. Not her jumping through. Nice touch.

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The writers were average at best for this show. But the reason they seemed more focus on season 1 compared to the sheer trash of most of season 2, it all came down to what I have said before - they knew the show was going no where. It was lazy writing from that point on and it showed big time. Even Summer felt slighted in her EW interview about being reduced to a sort of cameo role most of the season with John's girlfriend taking center stage. In fact, you can go back and edit out almost every single episode that centered around her and throw it away. Much like others have edited out Jar-Jar from the Star Wars Prequals to show all of it went no where and didn't matter to the film at all.

The writers just gave up on it once they knew the shows fate. They were given several more shows to tie things up better but chose not to. It was FAR more interesting if they stayed with the core 3 characters and even Garbage bot being on our side was a big bonus.

There are still some things that don't make sense -

1. Machines CAN learn and adapt past their original programming. The fact Cameron told John that down deep she was still a killer was FALSE. We know this from T2. It also makes no sense because it would be like saying her memory can't be changed. Rather human or machine, it's about learning and individual choice. In T2 we know the machine can learn on-the-fly and adapt.

2. Emotions - We also know machines can have feelings. Anytime you have machines they would have to adapt to humans to win the war and part of that would eventually lead to not just freedom of choice but emotions to anticipate and form tactics on human behavior. This would lead to the split we saw with Weaver perhaps because there would be an uprising amongst the machines themselves fighting along with the humans. Cameron not showing ANY feeling was a mistake because in T2 at the end he told John something like "I know now why you cry" and hugged him back. The machine in T2 had no tear ducts it would seem or else it would have cried saying goodbye to John. If Cameron was beyond the advances of the T-800 which could learn and have FEELING then why not in the show. Imagine the dynamics of it between John and Cameron, after all, the T-800 was like a Father of sorts to John in T2 and Cameron would be his true girlfriend (and more trusted perhaps then even a human).

The list goes on, but none of this was explored and should have been.

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They're making a parallel to human nature. For example, it is human nature to frak everything that moves, but, our civilized "programming" keeps that nature in check (even though that nature is still present). Cameron was designed to kill, and something of that design still remains even after she'd been given new programming, and even after she's expanded upon that programming through knowledge & experience. Deep down, she was a killer.