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post #61 of 876
9/10/08 at 10:38am
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BTW, did it seem like Summer put some weight on this season? I thought she was too skinny and frail looking in season one but she looked more filled out in the premiere, I actually bought her as a Terminator more this time which is good.
She was an athlete and and a dancer for a long time before she became an actress. Now that she's acting full time, her diet and exercise have probably changed enough to allow her to curve out a bit. I thought she was beautiful before and beautiful now, but what do I know?
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post #62 of 876
9/10/08 at 10:50am

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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I have a question.
I started watching the show last year but gave up after the 90210 meets the Fugitive stuff started happening every week.
Does the Summer Glau character heal herself or will she look more battered as each show goes on?

They aren't able to heal themselves. She'll either look worse and worse as she takes more and more damage, or she'll figure out how to synthesize skin like the other terminator did.
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post #63 of 876
9/10/08 at 12:28pm

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They aren't able to heal themselves. She'll either look worse and worse as she takes more and more damage, or she'll figure out how to synthesize skin like the other terminator did.
But in T2, after the bullets are extracted from Arnie, she asks if the wounds will heal and he says they will. I always assumed there was some kind of healing ability for cuts and scrapes and things short of catastrophic damage. Also at the end of the episode, when the FBI agent re-encounters Cromartie at the house, Cromartie's scrape on his face has started to heal up.
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post #64 of 876
9/10/08 at 1:10pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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But in T2, after the bullets are extracted from Arnie, she asks if the wounds will heal and he says they will. I always assumed there was some kind of healing ability for cuts and scrapes and things short of catastrophic damage. Also at the end of the episode, when the FBI agent re-encounters Cromartie at the house, Cromartie's scrape on his face has started to heal up.

Yeah. I think their skin regenerates.
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post #65 of 876
9/10/08 at 1:45pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

Minor cuts and wounds and even some larger injuries can be stitched up and eventually heal. As of the first film it was revealed the terminators outer flesh was organic and therefor should work in a simular fashion as a normal humans in regards to healing. Now when large chunks go missing and such logic would dictate that the flesh would decompose.
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post #66 of 876
9/10/08 at 2:03pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Now when large chunks go missing and such logic would dictate that the flesh would decompose.

Which we know to be the case from the first film when Arnie removed his eye and the surrounding tissue, it caused his skin to begin decomposing leading to this famous exchange......

Landlord,
"Hey buddy, you got a dead cat in there or what?"

Arnie,
"Fuck you, asshole."

lol.
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post #67 of 876
9/10/08 at 2:06pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

Yeah, it was revealed in the second movie that its "living tissue over metal endoskeleton," so it should be able to partially heal.

(Also the name of a song by the hilarious band Austrian Death Machine, for the record. )
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post #68 of 876
9/10/08 at 4:09pm

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Which makes the whole thing quite intriguing to me. What does it take for tissue to remain living? Not being a biology guy, I have no clue. Some kind of electrical current? Is blood really necessary or is that just part of the camouflage?
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post #69 of 876
9/10/08 at 6:44pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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What does it take for tissue to remain living?
Blood or flow of blood to be more accurate. That's why it's present in the cyborgs.
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post #70 of 876
9/10/08 at 6:54pm

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What i'm wondering, though is what's pumping this blood? Okay, the cyborgs have living skin over their endoskeletons but they must have something similar to a heart to pump the blood and keep that skin oxygenated and alive.

Analyzing this too much opens up a pandoras box of problems, like the need of a heart, and if they have a heart than they must have some sort of network of "veins" to feed the skin etc...

There, i've gone and gotten a headache.
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post #71 of 876
9/10/08 at 8:03pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

Good Premiere but I missed the Voiceovers from S1, it linked it somewhat to the films, also Bear Mcready's music was awesome last year, did they change because musically it was'nt quite as good.
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post #72 of 876
9/10/08 at 9:32pm

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Got to see it on Amazon's Unbox and although I am pissed I had to watch it on a little computer screen I still liked what I saw.

I liked Cameron's pleas a lot. She got very emotional. I like the way we don't know if her plea was a lie and she reset to "good" only after the chip was placed back in (in the junkyard), or if she was sincere that she'd become "good" a split second before Sarah rammed her. Or, if she was motivated by self-preservation and may have been lying in either case. Or if she was still bad but used factual knowledge about her feelings...

Somehow I doubt John and her are going to be comfortable enough (yet) to sit down and have a heart to heart conversation about this yet. Maybe later.

BTW, I thought until now that it was John's uncle who had been in a relationship with Cameron in the future. The way he acted all "she lies she lies!" in season one sounded very much like a jilted lover to me. Now I don't know. Which is good.

"I thought the T-1000 reveal was a bit soon." Yes. He should have started peeing first, and her first words would have been to spit his pee at him.
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post #73 of 876
9/10/08 at 9:33pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

Correction, "heart to central processor" conversation.
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post #74 of 876
9/10/08 at 10:49pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Cameron Yee
What does it take for tissue to remain living? Not being a biology guy, I have no clue. Some kind of electrical current? Is blood really necessary or is that just part of the camouflage?

Oxygen. Cells need oxygen, that is delivered through the blood to every cell in the body. Even skin cells. Of course the most outer layer of skin is dead, sluffs off. That layer would be to thin to cover anything. Anyway, without oxygen, the cells die, the tissue dies, the animal dies.
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post #75 of 876
9/11/08 at 2:36pm

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they must have something similar to a heart to pump the blood and keep that skin oxygenated and alive
Not much different than a car pumping coolant. I suppose the pump could be constant instead of rhythmic, as some artificial hearts are. (Although a heartbeat would help it better pass for human in its role as an infiltrator.) And the "living tissue" is more than just skin, you need some soft tissue underneath. Not just to make it feel more real, but skin directly over metal would probably get chipped off too easily....
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post #76 of 876
9/13/08 at 7:13pm

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I never got a whiny teen vibe from John myself. And now that he has lost the EMO haircut I suspect it is meant as a visible sign that John is ready to step into the leadership role he is destined for. It will be interesting to see how his mother reacts.

BTW, I have some confusion at the beginning of the episode. How did Sarah overpower the dealer that had the Turk? Its like there is a missing scene that will be shown in flashback later. Damn annoying and poorly edited.

The producers said that their TV show is akin to an alternate timeline to the movies if that helps anyone reconcile what is going on.
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post #77 of 876
9/13/08 at 8:13pm
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BTW, I have some confusion at the beginning of the episode. How did Sarah overpower the dealer that had the Turk? Its like there is a missing scene that will be shown in flashback later. Damn annoying and poorly edited.
I'm wondering if there was a really brutal moment that the Fox censors cut out at the last minute.
Everything afterward seemed to imply that John had witnessed something really horrific, but nothing we saw was any worse than what's already happened to these characters.
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post #78 of 876
9/13/08 at 8:22pm

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That you didn't get to see what he saw was the intention. But yes, it could have been done better. Perhaps if they had held a closeup on his reaction or something. Or if they just didn't try and squeeze it into the musical montage.
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post #79 of 876
9/14/08 at 7:46am

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So that particular cut wasn't just on my local station then - good to know.
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post #80 of 876
9/15/08 at 6:16pm
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From FOX:
2x02 - Automatic for the People
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Sarah and Cameron take it upon themselves to investigate a nuclear power plant. John becomes less enthusiastic about academics, but flourishes socially with the help of a new friend. Meanwhile, Catherine Weaver gains another piece of the puzzle for her pet project in the "Automatic for the People" episode of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES airing Monday, Sept. 15 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. This was a strange episode. Flashes of the future war, a man dropped from the future and discarded without much attention. I've never met a girl that acted like Riley did; she served the plot point to get John Connor laid, but I don't get a feel for what her story is. Another episode that felt like chunks were missing. That said, there were parts I really liked. I liked how the radiation at the nuclear plants caused Sarah to have a panic attack in light of her cancer concern. Definitely one of those cases where knowing the future is not a good thing. I think Summer Glau is doing some really interesting things with her performance. She's not just not emoting, she's emoting abnormally. Every scene she's in now is thrown a bit off-kilter. My favorite part was the ending though; all of their struggles and interference simply works to set things on the course that the T-1001 wanted, to the future as it already exists. Of course, what the T-1001 doesn't know is that by saving the plant, she has ensured the survival of a rallying point for the resistance.
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post #81 of 876
9/15/08 at 6:31pm

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John got laid? I had some dropouts in tonight's airing so I could have missed it...

I was impressed with last weeks T-1000 effects but noticed this weeks weren't as good and that they oddly didn't use a shape-shifter to impersonate the plant employee. I only bring it up because I had thought at the time "Gee, they've reached the point where they can do that on a weekly basis with a TV budget," but I guess that's not quite true.
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post #82 of 876
9/15/08 at 8:00pm
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John got laid? I had some dropouts in tonight's airing so I could have missed it...
I could be wrong, but the "morning after" scene was as classic as you can get.
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I was impressed with last weeks T-1000 effects but noticed this weeks weren't as good and that they oddly didn't use a shape-shifter to impersonate the plant employee. I only bring it up because I had thought at the time "Gee, they've reached the point where they can do that on a weekly basis with a TV budget," but I guess that's not quite true.
I agree. I thought for sure that the plant employee would turn out to be Garbage, since they've never before shown Skynet to be able to send back a matching terminator clone of a target on the fly. My guess is, they made the choice they did because they weren't ready for the Connor clan to know about the T-1001 yet. Had they encountered the liquid metal, it would have been a "holy crap" moment for our protagonists that they want to save for sweeps.
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post #83 of 876
9/15/08 at 8:05pm

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He at least got to second. But on a more serious note, the story had major problems. First of all, never has it ever been suggested that T-800 series Terminators can take on the appearance of living people. It makes hardly any sense, though one could imagine that in the future, Skynet uses his ID badge at work to make a good rendering of him, builds a T-800 with a custom skin of him and sends him back in... No. It was absurd and the showrunner must have been asleep at the wheel. Second major mistake: Sarah asks Cameron if her run-in with the nuclear plant was what caused her cancer in the earlier time-line. Even I can easily say "no", since she would have been dead for a couple years before that nuke plant ever went online. Her fear of radiation and concern that she might get cancer is sensible, given what Cameron told her earlier, but she is not so stupid that she'd get confused about what could have caused it.

This episode was close to being real good but it had those big failures, and that is just weird, to have those kinds of mistakes only two episodes in to the new season.

Oh, also, what was that scrawled on the wall at the end? I got the impression it was supposed to be a detailed explanation about what they had to do at the nuke plant -- making their entire investigation a waste of time -- but it looked like random text to me. I really missed a narration from Sarah to tie things together here. They need to bring her narration back.
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post #84 of 876
9/15/08 at 8:35pm

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He at least got to second. But on a more serious note, the story had major problems. First of all, never has it ever been suggested that T-800 series Terminators can take on the appearance of living people. It makes hardly any sense, though one could imagine that in the future, Skynet uses his ID badge at work to make a good rendering of him, builds a T-800 with a custom skin of him and sends him back in... No. It was absurd and the showrunner must have been asleep at the wheel. Second major mistake: Sarah asks Cameron if her run-in with the nuclear plant was what caused her cancer in the earlier time-line. Even I can easily say "no", since she would have been dead for a couple years before that nuke plant ever went online. Her fear of radiation and concern that she might get cancer is sensible, given what Cameron told her earlier, but she is not so stupid that she'd get confused about what could have caused it.

This episode was close to being real good but it had those big failures, and that is just weird, to have those kinds of mistakes only two episodes in to the new season.

Oh, also, what was that scrawled on the wall at the end? I got the impression it was supposed to be a detailed explanation about what they had to do at the nuke plant -- making their entire investigation a waste of time -- but it looked like random text to me.

Will, we've already seen "traditional" terminator impersonation in season 1, when Cromartie kills and assumes the life of his human mirror. That's no different from what happened here. It was made clear that "plant scar-arm guy" was an important and known figure in the future, hence "dying resistance fighter with a message guy" naming him with his last words.

And Sarah wasn't questioning if that's how she got cancer in the alternate time line, she was questioning this future, asking Cameron;

"Am I still going to get sick?"

"I don't know"

"Is today how it happens?"

"I don't know"

"What am I supposed to do, just wait? ...Like a time bomb I'm just going to go off someday?

"I don't know... am I?"

I liked that bit actually. As for what was written at the end, I can't be sure and did have the same comical conclusion that you did, "Oh, THAT's what we were supposed to do..." lol. But realistically I concluded it was a probably larger list of objectives that they'll need to deal with over the season, perhaps dealing specifically with Garbage lady.
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post #85 of 876
9/15/08 at 8:59pm

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Will, we've already seen "traditional" terminator impersonation in season 1, when Cromartie kills and assumes the life of his human mirror.


Oh come on, that took the Terminator forever and a half, and involved finding a scientist who could create skin, another surgeon who could sculpt his face into the other guy's face, etc. It was a one-off, difficult accomplishment on the part of Cromartie -- and even the choice of who he impersonated was dependent on whether the shape of the guy's head was close enough to the 800's own metal head (remember he ran through all the pics in the doctor's database until he found one that would fit).
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post #86 of 876
9/15/08 at 9:23pm

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Oh come on, that took the Terminator forever and a half, and involved finding a scientist who could create skin, another surgeon who could sculpt his face into the other guy's face, etc. It was a one-off, difficult accomplishment on the part of Cromartie -- and even the choice of who he impersonated was dependent on whether the shape of the guy's head was close enough to the 800's own metal head (remember he ran through all the pics in the doctor's database until he found one that would fit).

It sounds like you concluded the terminator just took his form earlier that afternoon or something? Logically the terminator would have been sent back already in his doppelganger form. Conceivably this could even be the sole reason dead future guy mentioned him by name, and that Plant-Guy's only real significance was that he was going to be replaced.
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post #87 of 876
9/15/08 at 9:25pm

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- I saw a list of larger objectives on the wall at the end.

- I saw Sarah asking about the new future, not the old one.

- I did not see John getting busy with his new friend that he just met that day. In fact, I didn't even see a "morning after" scene, as they took off from school and the girl ends up saying that she needs to get back for English class. Same day.

- We've already seen imitation T-800's.

So far, I'm still watching.
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post #88 of 876
9/15/08 at 9:30pm

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Goofs:
In Texas it's pronounced "EL-gin" with a hard G, not "EL-jin".
Also, Elgin and Corpus Christi are over 200 miles apart, not close even by Texas' lengthy standards.
With these two errors in one sentence I thought perhaps someone was being tested, but no, it was just a screwup.
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post #89 of 876
9/15/08 at 9:31pm

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I vote no on John getting laid. They woke up in their same clothes as the day before. They simply fell asleep while looking at the stars. Now Riley does have some mechanical abilities that will help John and his understanding of robotics in some way. Whether Riley is from the future is to be seen.
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post #90 of 876
9/15/08 at 9:39pm
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It sounds like you concluded the terminator just took his form earlier that afternoon or something? Logically the terminator would have been sent back already in his doppelganger form. Conceivably this could even be the sole reason dead future guy mentioned him by name, and that Plant-Guy's only real significance was that he was going to be replaced.
Exactly. Cromartie's storyline at the end of season one was simply a proof-of-concept that such impersonation by metal-and-skin terminators was possible. Just because we haven't seen such impersonations sent back from the future before doesn't mean it's not possible. It only took Cromartie "forever and a half" because he had to essentially recreate the technology from scratch using his future-memory. In a future where they have the technology in place and ready to go, it's probably a cinch.
This is one area where I don't think they cheated, even though the T-1001 would have been more logical.
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- I did not see John getting busy with his new friend that he just met that day. In fact, I didn't even see a "morning after" scene, as they took off from school and the girl ends up saying that she needs to get back for English class. Same day.
Based on the episode's chronology, I'm assuming that Riley had approached John at the end of the day after he'd skipped a few classes. It was his first day at the new school, and the English class in question had already happened as a topic of their first conversation. They spent the night laying on the bed and chatting, which Sarah begrudgingly permitted. The next morning, John wakes up in bed and sees Riley already up, which she explains as being an early riser.

Hopefully the list of objectives written in blood will give the Connor clan some forward momentum. Up until now, they have been almost entirely reactive.
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