"TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread - Page 20

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

I think so. This makes me question whether Cameron was captured and reprogrammed by John Connor or whether she came to him in peace as an equal partner -- in other words, she was honest to Allison. The fact that she was unwilling to bring Jesse to John Connor even when she carried such a singly important piece of information raises serious questions, such as: was John Connor even still alive at that point? It's also possible that those stores came from the sub itself. If they had access to flour and water and an oven on board, they could have bread. I do think that conditions aboard the U.S.S. Jimmy Carter were significantly above average for the human resistence. I've loved the portrayal of John Connor the entire series, but this really was a signature episode for Thomas Dekker. He does a fantastic job of balancing heart-on-his-sleeve sentimentality with moments of the stoic gravitas the future leader of humanity would require. Everything about his scene with Jesse was perfect. Here's the woman who set up his girlfriend for execution and finished the job herself when that plan fell through. And what's he do? He has a conversation with her, a conversation that she's been waiting for for a long, long time. When she walks out the door, she feels worse than if he'd killed her. And there isn't one iota of doubt as to who's in control. As Stephen mentioned, the future we saw in The Terminator is not the same future as the one we saw in T2: Judgement Day which is in turn not the same future we saw in T3: Rise of the Machines. Each time Skynet or the resistence sends someone or something back in time, it creates a new timeline. In Jesse's timeline, humanity is in better shape than even Derek's timeline (which has been shown to be much closer to the movies) -- in no small part due to the changes that Derek has helped bring about. Yes. I like that we don't know precisely where it's going. At the moment, Ellison seems to be winning the battle for John Henry's "soul". Seeing that, Weaver has now begun to plant the seeds against humanity. It almost reminded me of the little angel and demon on the characters shoulders in old cartoons. I like that you describe John as decisive, compassionate and smart. Without any one of those three things, he would not be up to the task of leading humanity. Arguably his extraordinary compassion is most important attribute, because metal is programmed to be smart and decisive. The scene in the hotel room demonstrated that telling something to Cameron is not the same as telling it to John Connor. Interesting observation. I'd like to believe that liquid metal is an extremely rare occurance even during the time period of the Future War. Let's face it, if there were more than a few of those things, humanity would be screwed. They are not from the same version of the future. Derek was sent back before Cameron was, and so in his future John Connor does not have a constant Terminator companion. The actions Derek has taken with the existing cast to prevent Judgment Day have seperated Derek and Jesse's timelines even future. Several crucial events are mirrored in both timelines, such as the moment when Jesse saves Derek from committing suicide. But the details are completely different. In the first film, only two things had ever been sent back from the future. There were therefore only two timelines: the timeline Kyle Reese came from and the timeline Kyle Reese and Arnie created by being sent back. In the original timeline, Kyle likely wasn't John's father. In sending Arnie back to kill Sarah Connor, they both gave John the genetic lineage of their enemy's best soldier and a lifetime's worth of preparation to take on the role of savior. The more people and machines are sent back, the more timelines are created. If you ignore T3, T2 couldn't make sense with a closed loop theory of time travel; since Judgment Day was averted, there would be no future war to send back the terminator or Kyle Reese, which would effectively reset things to the original timeline. The only way a paradox wouldn't occur is if the universe operates on a quantum model in which each "time travel" episode actually creates a new and seperate universe. I don't think so. The liquid metal could have easily killed everyone on board at any moment. The fact that it didn't signals that its intentions were truly diplomatic Exactly. And the unknown future as it exists circa this episode is different than the one Jesse came from. This experience will shape John Connor, while the John Connor from her timeline never had the benefit of such a horrible event.