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post #211 of 876
10/7/08 at 5:46pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

What 10 year old has his name in the phone book?
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post #212 of 876
10/7/08 at 5:56pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Clearly you need to watch Doctor Who. The Empty Child, Blink, Midnight and the Girl in the Fireplace all p0wnz this show so badly it's not even funny.


As for yesterdays epsisode proper,, it didnt offend me, but what a "Meh" episode. Probably the best they've done so far - which isnt saying much, mind you. . . .

So why didnt they do any sort of oh, you know - background check on Reese? "Hey, we don't know you - but you said you fought in The War. Want a job?"

What the heck were they doing naming one of the military goons Pyle? I was expecting Reese to get all Gunnery Sergeant Hartman on him. "Private Pyle I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!"

And the kid was WAY too clingy. "Hi, you saved me. I'm too young to think that it all might have been part of an elaborate plan to kidnap me. Can i put my arm aroudn you while you read to me?" In fact that whole Wizard of Oz thing was way too schmaltzy.

Oh, and if they were going to do this story and have Garbagenator with the terminator eyeball, shouldn't they have shown that there was one that wasn't left behind (do that little reveal ala Time Bandits with the piece of evil that tumbles under the desk).



Once again, Tony, you and I are in complete sync!

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Originally Posted by Bryan X
What 10 year old has his name in the phone book?

I didn't even think of that one!
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post #213 of 876
10/7/08 at 6:44pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

The new Doctor Who rules!
I have this show on my TiVo. I still have season 1 to finish on Blu-ray. Loved the first 5 episodes.
Nah, spoilers have never bothered me...thats why i am reading this thread!
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post #214 of 876
10/7/08 at 6:46pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Stephen Orr
Must agree, this show is extremely well written and acted, overall. Last night, I gave my wife the opportunity to watch Chuck, and record this, and she wanted to watch Terminator instead! It will be a shame if and when this show goes off the air, much like Firefly (which I rewatch repeatedly on DVD and Hulu...)
Well written? This show? I find the writing to be very one note and the performances really mediocre.
There is a reason why this show is almost on the chopping block. The writing is very unimaginative.
Last nights episode was an improvement but what was the whole subplot with the kid? Time filler.
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post #215 of 876
10/7/08 at 8:18pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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What 10 year old has his name in the phone book?

I'm not sure why, but I thought the boy was named after his father. Is my brain now filling in plot holes automatically?
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post #216 of 876
10/7/08 at 8:56pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

I don't know. I love the series, but last night's episode had me scratching my head a lot. And generally I can just sit back and go along for the ride. But I could have used some explanation on how they were able to infiltrate the academy.

I really enjoyed the overlay of Frank L. Baum's the Wizarrd of Oz. Very cool. Derek and John using Baum as their last name, nice touch.
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post #217 of 876
10/7/08 at 9:27pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Bryan X
But I could have used some explanation on how they were able to infiltrate the academy.

The terminators? John and Derek discussed the possible entry points. It's not a high security facility.

If you mean John and Derek, I'll have to pull a Josh Dial on you.
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post #218 of 876
10/7/08 at 9:48pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
The terminators? John and Derek discussed the possible entry points. It's not a high security facility.

If you mean John and Derek, I'll have to pull a Josh Dial on you.

I love it!
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post #219 of 876
10/7/08 at 10:13pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

I'm glad, because I meant it as a compliment but I could see where it might not be taken that way.
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post #220 of 876
10/8/08 at 4:11am

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If you mean John and Derek, I'll have to pull a Josh Dial on you.

Yeah, I meant John and Derek.
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post #221 of 876
10/8/08 at 4:22am

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

The other thing motivating Sarah is the fact of her impending death by cancer. She has spent John's entire life in survival mode that she has missed the whole "be a regular mom" experience. I personally think in this episode, she was "slowing down" to smell the roses, so to speak. My wife and I appreciated it.

As far as the kid panicking about his book report... The kid realizes that a robot tried to kill him, he knows if he goes back to his parents before Cameron has taken care of it, they will still be in danger, so he focuses on the one thing he has a little control over - his fourth grade book report. I didn't think that was too far off, as a former fourth grade teacher.
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post #222 of 876
10/8/08 at 7:23am

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However, people appear to be actually watching Fringe, but not SCC. You expect Fox to axe the higher rated show?
There is just way too much competition Monday nights at 8 PM for the same audience. I want to watch Big Bang Theory, SCC, and Chuck. Presumably, some Nielsen families are similar and the DVR added ratings are going to show improvement.

Tuesday nights there is just Fringe vs The Mentalist at 9 PM. House runs at least a minute long, so if there is another 9 PM show you want to watch, you've already missed the beginning, so you might as well watch Fringe live as well.

This week, SCC aired with limited commercial interruptions, though I don't recall any pre-airing publicity about this. This plan seems to have helped Fringe and the advertisers are happy with how that worked out.
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post #223 of 876
10/8/08 at 7:28am

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Originally Posted by Will_B
[Slaps hand to forehead]

It just clicked what course Ellison is about to be set on. My opinion:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
He's not being sent after a T-888. It isn't a T-888 that the Irish Terminator wants to take apart.

It's Cameron.
That became even more apparent with this Monday's episode. Now, I wonder if Ellison is going to be suspicious if he hears that right after he says the nuclear facility person wants more investigation that will delay the automation, that person gets killed. As soon as he mentioned it to Garbage lady, we all knew it would happen.
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post #224 of 876
10/8/08 at 10:05am

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Bryan X
Yeah, I meant John and Derek.

Derek enrolled him, presumably using some pretty good false identification. The Connors probably have that down to a science, able to fool all but the deepest probing background checks. The head of the school took John aboard for a three week tryout, and practically begged Derek to fill in as an instructor because the school had some key vacancies. Derek had given a false background of his own, stating that he was an officer who had recently returned from an extensive tour of an unidentified theater. I don't think it was stated, but Cameron could probably hack in and manufacture such a record in any necessary database.
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post #225 of 876
10/8/08 at 10:51am

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

You probably don't even need Cameron. The show has shown John to be a superb hacker.
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post #226 of 876
10/8/08 at 1:17pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
I'm not sure why, but I thought the boy was named after his father. Is my brain now filling in plot holes automatically?

Couldnt be. If that were the case, why wasnt Daddy terminated also?

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
Derek enrolled him, presumably using some pretty good false identification. The Connors probably have that down to a science, able to fool all but the deepest probing background checks. The head of the school took John aboard for a three week tryout, and practically begged Derek to fill in as an instructor because the school had some key vacancies. Derek had given a false background of his own, stating that he was an officer who had recently returned from an extensive tour of an unidentified theater. I don't think it was stated, but Cameron could probably hack in and manufacture such a record in any necessary database.

Except that schools are EXTEREMLY paranoid about folks hanging around kids. Hell, a couple of years back, I was going to help out a teacher friend of mine while I was unemployed - completely unofficialy, mind you - around school. Grade papers while she taught, help clean up after class, that sort of thing. I damn near needed a interview with the head of the FBI first - fingerprints, extensive background check, the works - about the only thing I didnt do was pee into a cup.

So walking in off the street like that? Never happen in a million years, even if he was just the janitor.
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post #227 of 876
10/8/08 at 1:28pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

It's a little different with a military academy and a man who is apparently honorably serving his country. It's a negligible concern for me.
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post #228 of 876
10/8/08 at 4:01pm

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Derek enrolled him, presumably using some pretty good false identification. The Connors probably have that down to a science, able to fool all but the deepest probing background checks. The head of the school took John aboard for a three week tryout, and practically begged Derek to fill in as an instructor because the school had some key vacancies. Derek had given a false background of his own, stating that he was an officer who had recently returned from an extensive tour of an unidentified theater.

Thanks, Gregg. I completely missed that part. I just checked it out on the Fox website. That makes much more sense now. That scene was after the first commercial and I must have not surfed back fast enough... that was before I realized the commercial breaks were going to be so short.

Anyway, my bad thinking they hadn't explained it. Maybe not explained well enough for some, but good enough for me.
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post #229 of 876
10/8/08 at 4:41pm

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

I missed a little of the episode and part of Prison Break because the local news kept breaking in with weather reports. Scroll it on the bottom if you must. Something.
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post #230 of 876
10/8/08 at 4:43pm

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That is annoying. These days most stations like to make EVERY bit of bad weather into some kind of catastrophic emergency.
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post #231 of 876
10/8/08 at 5:57pm

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What a difference a week makes! That was a damn good one. Something is brewing with Cameron though and the seeds were planted in the previous episode. Hope the series lasts long enough for the payoff to happen.
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post #232 of 876
10/8/08 at 10:30pm

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From the always informative Tamara C on Whedonesque.com:

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willbueche, just because sites that report ratings do not mention Amazon, Hulu, iTunes etc. does not mean that the network doesn't pay very close attention to those metrics. They do. TSCC's 7 day DVR increase is always impressive.

"For the week of September 15-21, Fox’s House had the largest audience via DVR viewing with 4.064 million viewers via DVRs, one of the largest DVR audiences we have measured to date. In fact, Fox had the top 5 biggest DVR audiences including Fringe, Bones and Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles and Prison Break. Rounding out the top ten for the largest DVR audiences were Big Brother, America’s Top Model, two America’s Got Talents, 90210 and Kitchen Nightmares.

The CW’s 90210 had the greatest percentage boost from DVR viewing, increasing 40.8% from its Live viewing. Rounding out the top 10 for largest % increase via DVR viewing was Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, America’s Top Model, House, Prison Break, Bones, Gossip Girl, Fringe Smallville, and One Tree Hill."
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post #233 of 876
10/9/08 at 12:32am

Re: "TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Season 2 Thread

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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
I'm not sure why, but I thought the boy was named after his father. Is my brain now filling in plot holes automatically?
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Originally Posted by Tony J Case
Couldnt be. If that were the case, why wasnt Daddy terminated also?

The answer to that would be because daddy wasn't home. Here's what I either saw or made up. Daddy and son share the name Martin Bedell. Daddy's at work. Son is home after school. Terminator finds daddy's name in the phone book, goes to the house, rings bell, and asks "Martin Bedell?" The kid, having the same name, reluctantly responds "Yes?" Chaos ensues.

While viewing... In my head, if there was any plot hole, it was that the Terminator didn't allow for father and son sharing the same name. That said, there's an age issue here that disproves what I thought. In the flash forward, we clearly see that in the future, Bedell's still a relatively young (and fast) guy. That places him as a kid during John Connor's time just like John and the other military academy (real target) Martin Bedell. The Terminator would be looking for a kid, not an adult.
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post #234 of 876
10/9/08 at 5:51am

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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
That said, there's an age issue here that disproves what I thought. In the flash forward, we clearly see that in the future, Bedell's still a relatively young (and fast) guy. That places him as a kid during John Connor's time just like John and the other military academy (real target) Martin Bedell. The Terminator would be looking for a kid, not an adult.
How about this scenario. They know that a Martin Bedell sacrifices himself to help perform a rescue of John Connor. Bedell is blown up beyond recognition. They torture some other survivor at some time to find out who did the deed. All they get is the name.
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post #235 of 876
10/9/08 at 7:08am

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I think the writing has gotten better as the show moves on. This week's episode was the best so far, imho. Most importantly, John is starting to feel the wieght of the human race as he accepts his fate. We all know how important he is. He has always resisted it -- in T2 and T3 and the earlier episodes. He gets it now, even though he wants to bang that check from school and/or Cameron and be a regular kid. He can't be a regular kid. He's too important. That's hard to deal with. He'll be the most important person in history. As a teenager, that's pretty heavy. But kind of cool, too. There is so much to do with his character -- I hope the writers get it right.

And say what you will about Brian Austin Green. He brings a gravitas to the role that many, inlcuding myself, thought he could not pull off. He has settled into the role nicely and I like him the most of any in the cast.

The show is getting better. I hope it continues to do so.
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post #236 of 876
10/9/08 at 2:59pm

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This is second hand, but supposedly the numbers of the this week's episode are better than the last week. TSCC beat Chuck in the demo 18-49 and beat PB in total viewers. The dvr numbers are huge, TSCC has a stable audience that views direct and through other media.

Update from the producers:

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status update.
October 9, 2008 – 6:33 pm

Because so many of you, our most devoted fans, have been asking, we wanted to set the record straight!

While the fate of the show past production on episode thirteen is still unclear, FOX has given us the go-ahead to write two more additional episodes for this season — fourteen and fifteen.

We are hard at work writing those episodes and await news of a potential pickup for the full “back nine” (additional episodes to complete the season) in the near future. We’re crossing our fingers (and dotting our i’s) that we’ll have more good news to share with you soon…

In the meantime, keep tuning in! Get your friends interested! And thanks for all of your support!

...So this means they may be giving it a chance, so it is more important than ever to watch the show, to DVR it (and to watch the DVR recording within 7 days or it does NOT count towards the ratings!) and to buy the latest episode on Amazon.com. No exceptions! We can do this!
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post #237 of 876
10/9/08 at 7:53pm

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Originally Posted by NeilO
How about this scenario. They know that a Martin Bedell sacrifices himself to help perform a rescue of John Connor. Bedell is blown up beyond recognition. They torture some other survivor at some time to find out who did the deed. All they get is the name.

Sounds workable to me.
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post #238 of 876
10/11/08 at 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by Tony J Case
Clearly you need to watch Doctor Who.
If you think "Doctor Who" is a better show, it's a problem of taste not a problem of quality.
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So why didnt they do any sort of oh, you know - background check on Reese? "Hey, we don't know you - but you said you fought in The War. Want a job?"
If you've served as officer in the military and completed your service honorably, and all of the other paperwork checks out, it makes sense that a military academy would want to hire you.
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What the heck were they doing naming one of the military goons Pyle?
It's called a joke.
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And the kid was WAY too clingy.
It's called being a kid.
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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
I'm not sure why, but I thought the boy was named after his father. Is my brain now filling in plot holes automatically?
Since the parents were placed into protective custody after the murder of another by the same name and the disappearance of their son, it's the obvious answer. The parents of most kidnapped children aren't automatically put into protective custody.
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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
While viewing... In my head, if there was any plot hole, it was that the Terminator didn't allow for father and son sharing the same name. That said, there's an age issue here that disproves what I thought. In the flash forward, we clearly see that in the future, Bedell's still a relatively young (and fast) guy. That places him as a kid during John Connor's time just like John and the other military academy (real target) Martin Bedell. The Terminator would be looking for a kid, not an adult.
My guess is that the model in question simply isn't that sophisticated.

I really liked this episode. It showed John standing up and being a leader, showing basic military competency. And more importantly, it showed how heavily the sacrifices of others weighed on him. He's not a petulant little punk.
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post #239 of 876
10/12/08 at 7:36am

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I'm not saying it's the first time, but this episode really drove home for me that we have to ignore the events of Terminator 3 (alternate time line) because this kid is already too far along into his destiny to lead to the adult John Connor we see in Terminator 3. I'm not a person who hated the movie, but I have to say the groundwork is laid for this John Connor to become the leader we've heard about much more than the John Connor of Terminator 3.
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post #240 of 876
10/15/08 at 11:36am

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