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post #421 of 450
2/2/09 at 7:24am
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That was a great game last night. This Steelers fan was not very optimistic after that holding penalty on the final drive started Pittsburgh off at 1st and 20 from inside their own 15 yard line. Big Ben and Holmes came up huge on the final drive.

The play of the game, though, was Harrison's interception at the end of the first half. That play was a 10 or 14 point swing.

As stated in another thread, the halftime show was the best ever, IMO. However, I'm biased, being a big Springsteen fan.

I think that Phil Sims is the only QB to win multiple Super Bowls and not be in the Hall of Fame. While it's way too early to know where Roethlisberger's career will go, he could become the second. Ben's stats are never impressive, but he makes plays when needed.
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post #422 of 450
2/2/09 at 7:51am

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Great game, although lots of questionable officiating against both sides. Let em play refs!

I agree with you Scott, although I do hope that Ben builds off of this season and begins to be more of a focus of their offense. So many games this season, it seemed like he was what was holding them back from utter 2008 Patriot domination of their opponent.
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post #423 of 450
2/2/09 at 7:59am

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Best halftime ever? Really? I respect Springsteen, and he had some good intesity, but he just doesn't sing well, IMHO. While everyone gave Prince a hard time about the whole shadow incident, I haven't heard anything about Bruce's mic between the legs while bending backwards opening.

It was a good game, exciting finish, though I think that the final play really needed to be reviewed. I thought it was a forward pass and the Cards would have had the ball at the 29 yard line. Was that really the best officiating crew the NFL has? The look on Kurt Warner's face after Holmes TD was something else. I felt bad for the guy and feel he is bound for the HoF. Sure am glad the Lions didn't sign him a couple of years ago....
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post #424 of 450
2/2/09 at 9:30am

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Originally Posted by Scott Merryfield
I think that Phil Sims is the only QB to win multiple Super Bowls and not be in the Hall of Fame. While it's way too early to know where Roethlisberger's career will go, he could become the second. Ben's stats are never impressive, but he makes plays when needed.
As a Raiders and Giants fan that's not entirely true. Jim Plunkett is the only quarterback to have been the starting QB on two SB winning teams and not be inducted into the Pro Football HOF. Simms got hurt near the end of the regular season and Jeff Hostetler quarterback the Giants during that second playoff run.
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post #425 of 450
2/2/09 at 9:58am
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As a Raiders and Giants fan that's not entirely true. Jim Plunkett is the only quarterback to have been the starting QB on two SB winning teams and not be inducted into the Pro Football HOF. Simms got hurt near the end of the regular season and Jeff Hostetler quarterback the Giants during that second playoff run.

Thanks, Robert. I forgot that Hostetler filled in for Simms, and thought Plunkett only won one for the Raiders. The memory is not what it used to be.

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Best halftime ever? Really? I respect Springsteen, and he had some good intesity, but he just doesn't sing well, IMHO. While everyone gave Prince a hard time about the whole shadow incident, I haven't heard anything about Bruce's mic between the legs while bending backwards opening.

As I said, I'm biased, being a big Springsteen fan. As for the mic, Springsteen does that quite often in his concerts, pulling himself up using the mic. It's never been considered a sexual move, as far as I know.

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It was a good game, exciting finish, though I think that the final play really needed to be reviewed. I thought it was a forward pass and the Cards would have had the ball at the 29 yard line. Was that really the best officiating crew the NFL has? The look on Kurt Warner's face after Holmes TD was something else. I felt bad for the guy and feel he is bound for the HoF. Sure am glad the Lions didn't sign him a couple of years ago....

I wish that last play had been reviewed, too, to remove any doubt on the play. Personally, I thought it was a fumble.

This season probably did clinch a Hall of Fame spot for Warner. A win yesterday would have made it certain, but the one SB win, two SB appearances, and league MVP awards will probably still get him in, although he is not a lock like Favre, Brady and Peyton Manning.
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post #426 of 450
2/2/09 at 10:25am

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I'm not a fan of either team. I was glad to see an exciting, competitive fourth quarter that made it interesting. I paid no attention to the halftime show, as I think Springsteen is a godawful singer (hearing him flatly croak his way through Santa Claus is Coming to Town confirmed that for me once and for all). I'm a bit surprised that there doesn't seem to be commentary on the commercials. The Budweiser ones were fun, but I hated the "oh look how cool we think we are" Pepsi commercials.
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post #427 of 450
2/2/09 at 10:41am

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Yeah it was a great game last night. I am surprised the Cardinals got that close to winning though.
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post #428 of 450
2/2/09 at 11:05am

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Originally Posted by Brandon_T
It was a good game, exciting finish, though I think that the final play really needed to be reviewed. I thought it was a forward pass and the Cards would have had the ball at the 29 yard line. Was that really the best officiating crew the NFL has? The look on Kurt Warner's face after Holmes TD was something else. I felt bad for the guy and feel he is bound for the HoF. Sure am glad the Lions didn't sign him a couple of years ago....

Are you talking about where Warner goes to pass, gets hit by a Steeler player and drops the ball? At first, we thought that he had already started to throw the ball when he got hit, but the replay shows that he never got out of the cocked position before being clobbered. The ball is knocked out of his hand, resulting in a fumble.
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post #429 of 450
2/2/09 at 11:42am

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I thought it was ridiculous some of the calls, especially not reviewing the fumble at the end of the game. That was not an obvious fumble, and to end the superbowl without a review is stupid.
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post #430 of 450
2/2/09 at 12:17pm

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I thought it was ridiculous some of the calls, especially not reviewing the fumble at the end of the game. That was not an obvious fumble, and to end the superbowl without a review is stupid.
The official statement from the NFL is that there was a review. They just didn't need a lot of time to figure it out.

Curran: Officials confirm Warner fumbled at game's end - Super Bowl XLIII- nbcsports.msnbc.com
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post #431 of 450
2/2/09 at 4:24pm

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Yeah it was a great game last night. I am surprised the Cardinals got that close to winning though.
Cards got more than close. They outplayed the Steelers and lost primarily because of Harrison's incredible 100 yard return.

I think Warner is assured at this point. A win would have made him a lock, but with his stats, his win, and his story and character...he's a shoo-in. What a guy.

And Fitz is a complete stud. Holmes is rightly getting the press (as the MVP), but Fitz is out of this world. His two TD catches were beautiful. He didn't even break stride on the long one.
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post #432 of 450
2/2/09 at 4:54pm

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I'm overjoyed that my Steelers pulled out a win in such a great game, but part of me feels heartbroken for Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald and all the other good people on that team. I really wish that that the Steelers could have played and defeated a team I loathe (like the Cowboys), but I'll take this win regardless.

For all you Cardinals fans reading this - take pride in your team. You have nothing to be embarrassed about. The Cards proved to everyone that they were no fluke in making it as far as they did. I can honestly say that I wish your team nothing but good times in the very near future and beyond and I'll be rooting for you guys as long as you aren't playing my "Sixburgh" Steelers.
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post #433 of 450
2/2/09 at 5:49pm

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Does anyone know what was up with James Harrison (I think I have the correct player) yesterday? Has anyone read anything about why he was punching (and then knocked over) the Cardinals player after the play had been ruled over? I can't find too much out about it.
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post #434 of 450
2/2/09 at 5:54pm

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Does anyone know what was up with James Harrison (I think I have the correct player) yesterday? Has anyone read anything about why he was punching (and then knocked over) the Cardinals player after the play had been ruled over? I can't find too much out about it.
Take it with a grain of salt, but I've been reading forum posts alleging that he was being held on pretty much every play and he was venting because it wasn't being called enough.
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post #435 of 450
2/2/09 at 6:01pm

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Take it with a grain of salt, but I've been reading forum posts alleging that he was being held on pretty much every play and he was venting because it wasn't being called enough.
Thomas,

Thanks. It would have been good to hear what the Cardinals player was saying to Harrison. As Madden said during the game, Harrison is usually a fairly level-headed guy.

The officiating in that game was ... odd to say the least. Thankfully, the reviews showed that the challenged plays were called correctly.
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post #436 of 450
2/2/09 at 6:06pm

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Does anyone know what was up with James Harrison (I think I have the correct player) yesterday? Has anyone read anything about why he was punching (and then knocked over) the Cardinals player after the play had been ruled over? I can't find too much out about it.


I've been perusing the Steelers message boards trying to find an answer and have been unsuccessful. I'm hoping the topic is broached on the talk shows.

There was no reason for Harrison to take things to that level unless Harrison was hit with a few cheap shots. He's very lucky he didn't get ejected.

How laughable it was though when John Madden, who coached some of the dirtiest players (Tatum, et al) in Oakland, called for Harrison to be ejected.
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post #437 of 450
2/3/09 at 4:49am
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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer
And Fitz is a complete stud. Holmes is rightly getting the press (as the MVP), but Fitz is out of this world. His two TD catches were beautiful. He didn't even break stride on the long one.

Personally, I think Fitzgerald is the most complete WR in the league right now. He is fast, runs great routes, can get way up in the air with his size and athletic ability, and has the best hands in the league. Terrell Owens probably drops more balls in one game than Fitz does in an entire season.
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post #438 of 450
2/3/09 at 5:26am

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I look at Fitz and see what Calvin Johnson will be in another year or two. They will probably be 1-2-3 in the league with Andre Johnson for the next few years. I mean, come on, look at Calvins numbers this year, tied for the league lead in TD's, fourth or fifth most yards, with who as his qb in a system that you or I could have designed. At least he is one pick that millen didn't miss.

Speaking of millen, yes I am using lower case for his name, I am so insulted that he is considered the "expert" on the NBC staff. It literally makes me sick and I turn the channel when I have to see his mug on the TV.
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post #439 of 450
2/3/09 at 2:10pm

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Contrary to earlier estimates, it turns out the Steelers / Arizona game was the most watched Super Bowl ever.

Super Bowl most-watched in history - ESPN
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post #440 of 450
2/4/09 at 8:31pm

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Warning! Matt Millen's on | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press

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post #441 of 450
2/4/09 at 10:24pm

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post #442 of 450
2/5/09 at 4:42am
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I was watching before the game when WDIV was running that scroll. I couldn't stop laughing. It took a lot of guts to run that as an affiliate for the network that just hired the boob.
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post #443 of 450
2/9/09 at 10:20am

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So, Scott, is Michael Crabtree the next "Newest Lion"?
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post #444 of 450
2/9/09 at 11:47am
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So, Scott, is Michael Crabtree the next "Newest Lion"?

John,

No, Matt Millen is gone. The biggest worry is that Stafford or Sanchez will be the newest Lion. If that happens, it means that the boneheaded owner pressured the GM and coach to take a QB to sell tickets instead of taking a player that can really help -- like a left tackle, linebacker or pass rushing DE. The same thing supposedly happened when Detroit took Joey Harrington. Ford rarely influences the draft, but when he does you can bet he'll be wrong.

The other reasons Stafford or Sanchez would be a bad pick for Detroit:
  • Starting QB's can be found other ways than with high first round draft picks. See playoff teams Arizona, Tennessee, Carolina, Miami and Minnesota, as well as "almost" playoff teams Dallas, New Orleans, NY Jets, New England.
  • Quality left tackles almost never become available via free agency or a trade. If you want a quality LT, you have to draft one.
  • Both QB's are underclassmen. Just about every successful 1st round draft pick QB I can think of used all his college eligibility before entering the draft.
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post #445 of 450
2/10/09 at 6:20am
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BTW, doing further research I have found two more QB's who started in multiple Super Bowls and are not in the Hall of Fame -- Joe Theisman and Craig Morton. Morton, in fact, was the only QB to start Super Bowls for two different teams (Dallas and Denver) until Warner did it this season (Rams, Arizona).

I cannot find any instance of a QB starting in three or more Super Bowls and not being in the Hall, though. That bodes well for Warner.
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post #446 of 450
2/10/09 at 7:06am

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Originally Posted by Scott Merryfield
BTW, doing further research I have found two more QB's who started in multiple Super Bowls and are not in the Hall of Fame -- Joe Theisman and Craig Morton. Morton, in fact, was the only QB to start Super Bowls for two different teams (Dallas and Denver) until Warner did it this season (Rams, Arizona).

I cannot find any instance of a QB starting in three or more Super Bowls and not being in the Hall, though. That bodes well for Warner.
I thought we were talking about QB's that were the starting QB on two SB winning teams that that are not in the HOF which is the case with Plunkett and now Big Ben.
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post #447 of 450
2/10/09 at 10:21am

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Warner will be in, I have no doubt about it.

As far as the Lions go, while I agree getting a good LT would be nice, the problem is Backus. You can't move him to Guard, he would get plowed there, and you can't move him to RT since Gosder Cherilus is there and shows good potential. You can't eat his salary as he is paid way too much. It has to be a defensive end, or LB IMHO.

IF they want to take a qb I have a feeling that Stafford or Sanchez will be this years Aaron Rodgers and will fall down the first round to the Lions second pick. If that doesn't happen and they don't take a qb, then the 09' qb is already on the roster. They didn't cut Culpepper or Kitna when cuts started, so that is very curious. Either way, much will change with the combine. Football truly is a year round sport.
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post #448 of 450
2/10/09 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
I thought we were talking about QB's that were the starting QB on two SB winning teams that that are not in the HOF which is the case with Plunkett and now Big Ben.
During the initial discussion, it just worked out that the two non Hall of Fame QB's we thought of that started multiple SB's happened to be 2-0 in the game. I didn't realize that there were two others that started in two games. FYI, Theisman was 1-1, and Morton was 0-2.

I agree that it's certainly is more interesting to state that only Jim Plunkett has started and won two Super Bowls and not made the Hall of Fame, Robert.

Starting in three or more SB's has guaranteed election so far. Only Brady and Warner fit this criteria among active players. Brady is a lock, while Warner's chances of getting in are very good, IMO.

So, I guess Big Ben needs to get there one more time in his career to guarantee that spot in Canton.
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post #449 of 450
2/11/09 at 9:23am

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Originally Posted by Scott Merryfield
During the initial discussion, it just worked out that the two non Hall of Fame QB's we thought of that started multiple SB's happened to be 2-0 in the game. I didn't realize that there were two others that started in two games. FYI, Theisman was 1-1, and Morton was 0-2.

I agree that it's certainly is more interesting to state that only Jim Plunkett has started and won two Super Bowls and not made the Hall of Fame, Robert.

Starting in three or more SB's has guaranteed election so far. Only Brady and Warner fit this criteria among active players. Brady is a lock, while Warner's chances of getting in are very good, IMO.

So, I guess Big Ben needs to get there one more time in his career to guarantee that spot in Canton.
As a Raider fan, I knew about Theisman's SB loss.


My only problem with Warner is I wish he had another 2-3 great seasons. Just look at his career and you see the inconsistency there.

Kurt Warner Stats, News, Photos - Arizona Cardinals - ESPN
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post #450 of 450
2/11/09 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford

My only problem with Warner is I wish he had another 2-3 great seasons. Just look at his career and you see the inconsistency there.

Kurt Warner Stats, News, Photos - Arizona Cardinals - ESPN

Warner is definitely an interesting case. He really only had two great years with the Rams, one great one with Arizona and one good season each with the Rams and Cards.

However, he also has two NFL MVP awards, one Super Bowl MVP, three SB starts (one win), and holds career Super Bowl passing records for yards and TDs.

Some QB's get in based more on their postseason success -- Bradshaw, Aikman, etc. -- while others get in based completely on long term regular season success -- Marino, Fouts, Moon, etc.

Warner has shorter term regular season success, plus impressive post season success (although another Super Bowl win would have been helpful, IMO). Considering how well he is liked, though, it will probably be enough to get him into the Hall. He's definitely not a lock, though.
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