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post #31 of 450
9/9/08 at 2:57pm

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I wonder if ESPN will get in trouble for showing the Broncos/Raiders game. I thought it was illegal to televise an execution.
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post #32 of 450
9/9/08 at 3:42pm
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Well, my optimism for the Lions lasted less than a game into the NFL season. (Scott, please feel free to commence with the "I told you so" portion of the season and Brandon, Zachary feel free to join in.)

You're no fun, David. I thought you were good for several weeks of foolish optimism before the team would crush your hopes. Welcome to the dark side.
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post #33 of 450
9/10/08 at 1:45pm

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post #34 of 450
9/11/08 at 7:45am

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What has happened to the bengals, play off team a couple years ago, now they are just terrible?
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post #35 of 450
9/11/08 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by Steve_Tk
What has happened to the bengals, play off team a couple years ago, now they are just terrible?

Cincy's defense was never very good, and now the offense has it's issues. The offensive line is not very good, they lost a dependable RB in Rudi Johnson (injured last season, cut this year) and have not replaced him, and their two star receivers are both banged up.
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post #36 of 450
9/11/08 at 9:33am

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Cincy's defense was never very good, and now the offense has it's issues. The offensive line is not very good, they lost a dependable RB in Rudi Johnson (injured last season, cut this year) and have not replaced him, and their two star receivers are both banged up.
Yep. The defense seems to have improved thanks to the new coordinator, but we've only been through one game so far. The biggest problem on offense is the line. The year we went to the playoffs, we had the best offensive line in the league. Since then, we've lost Rich Braham (center) and Willie Anderson (tackle) to old age/injury, and Eric Steinbach was traded to the Browns. Carson was uncomfortable the entire game because the Ravens kept chasing him, and the line offered very little support. Bob Bratkowski (offensive coordinator) needs to go. Run down the middle. Not working? Run down the middle. Still not working? Run down the middle.
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post #37 of 450
9/11/08 at 1:12pm

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Originally Posted by Scott Merryfield
You're no fun, David. I thought you were good for several weeks of foolish optimism before the team would crush your hopes. Welcome to the dark side.

There is optimism and then there is stupidity.
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post #38 of 450
9/12/08 at 12:43pm

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I'm really hoping the Steelers put their foots on the Brown's throats on Sunday. Nothing against the Browns, of course, but the Steelers pretty much have to win the division to have any hope of making the playoffs this year, it's looking pretty crowded in the AFC as far as wild-card hopes go. I'm more worried about the Browns than the Bengals or Ravens this year.
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post #39 of 450
9/12/08 at 3:20pm
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I agree, Bob, that the Brownies are the Steelers' chief competition in the division. However, with Jacksonville's offensive line decimated by injuries, Brady gone from the Pats, Vince Young out in Tennessee, and Indy looking shaky, I think the conference is not nearly as tough as the past few years. Both Pittsburgh and Cleveland could very well make the playoffs. I've been a Steeler fan for almost 40 years (all Lions fans need another team to cheer for), and I'm very optimistic on their chances to win the conference.
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post #40 of 450
9/12/08 at 4:26pm

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Chargers better crush the Snotty Jackasses (and you thought that was a horse blowing steam, silly HTF football fan) and not go into a 2007-like early season funk.
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post #41 of 450
9/12/08 at 9:46pm

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Originally Posted by DavidJ
That is interesting, if not downright strange. The injury has thrown the AFC wide open and it will be exciting, but I hate to see any injury like that and I'm a fan of Brady.

Well, my optimism for the Lions lasted less than a game into the NFL season. (Scott, please feel free to commence with the "I told you so" portion of the season and Brandon, Zachary feel free to join in.)

My optimism vanished after the Falcons put up 21 points in a hurry. For the rest of the season, I'm going to expect the Lions to lose every game; that way I can be surprised.

One of my friends predicted that the Lions would go 6-10. After the Falcons game, he changed that to 3-13.
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post #42 of 450
9/13/08 at 4:01am
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Originally Posted by ZacharyTait
One of my friends predicted that the Lions would go 6-10. After the Falcons game, he changed that to 3-13.

I made a bet with a Lions season ticket holder before the season started -- over/under on wins of six, and I have the under. I am feeling very confident right now.
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post #43 of 450
9/14/08 at 4:39pm

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Well the refs screwed my Chargers out of a win today.
unadulterated B.S.

The review device was non-functional for the first incorrect call. since when does that happen !?!
Then Hoculi blows the whistle too early on a clear fumble thus making the call non-reviewable. That second fumble would have ended the game. almost certainly.
nice product NFL.
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post #44 of 450
9/14/08 at 4:57pm

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Yah, Chargers had to bend over for that one.
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post #45 of 450
9/14/08 at 5:06pm

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Ballsy call by Shanahan to go for two at the end.
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post #46 of 450
9/14/08 at 7:47pm

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I am a Charger fan. Pity me.

I stopped watching the game after the instant reply malfunction. I knew that TD would make the difference in the game. I knew it would.

Looking on the good side (har, har) maybe the Bolts will learn they have to play for 60 minutes. Putting yourself in an early hole every time, is not a good system to follow.

However, when the game was on the line, the offense got the lead, and the defense couldn't keep either team out of the end zone for just one more play.

With a break here and there, they could be 2-0, but I kinda think they've earned 0-2.
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post #47 of 450
9/15/08 at 5:41am
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That's two straight tough losses for the Chargers. With Merriman out for the season and LT's nagging toe injury, San Diego may be in trouble. Their saving grace, though, is that the AFC does not look nearly as tough this season as the past few.
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post #48 of 450
9/15/08 at 7:46am

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So the Jags, Chargers, and Seahawks are 0-2. The Bolts will climb out.

I'd also like to note that everyone's (professionally, at least) AFC South "doormat from the pre-season predictions" are 2-0 with a monstrous defense - the Titans lead the South.

Tonight is a big game for the NFC.

Packers also look great with a 2-0 lead in the weak North.
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post #49 of 450
9/15/08 at 9:27am

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I still don't know how Indy won their game against the Vikings yesterday, but it was a game they gutted out without being anywhere close to being "on their game".
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post #50 of 450
9/15/08 at 9:54am

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Chargers will be fine. Broncos looked sharp yesterday, but I think the Chargers will end up winning the West. They really "won" yesterday's game despite being down 21-3 at some point. Thank goodness for Sproles. He took over that game. First with his kick runback. and then later in the 4th quarter he broke one off from about midfield all the way to the 1 yard line. I mean he ran by everyone, but it was called back on a lame penalty. then just for show, he gets a screen pass and takes it 60+ yards. I mean, the guy is electric.
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post #51 of 450
9/15/08 at 1:19pm

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This season has been crappy for me so far and not just because I'm a Lions fan. I also root for the Bengals and the Browns and all three teams are 0-2. Uugh.

At least this time, the Lions came back from the big deficit, but of course, they had to give it away the only they could, but giving up three touchdowns in the final seven minutes of the game.
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post #52 of 450
9/15/08 at 3:50pm

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Im Sooooooooo Happy that Cassel Won Yesterday. I feel the pats have a good chance at a 13-3 season.
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post #53 of 450
9/15/08 at 9:17pm

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That was a great game! Glad the Cowboys won. (thanks romo fantasy points)
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post #54 of 450
9/15/08 at 9:47pm

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Hey Scott, I tortured myself and went to the Lions game yesterday. They were getting crushed and we were about to leave when the Lions made that miracle comeback to take the lead. Of course we all know what happened, but at that point we left and it was a steady down pour for the half mile walk to the car. At least I didn't pay for the tickets and they were very good seats. Calvin Johnson is the lone bright spot on that team. IMO
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post #55 of 450
9/16/08 at 5:23am
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At least you got to see an entertaining game, Brandon. I've resolved myself to not attend any more games until major changes are made in the front office. Even with free tickets, the team would get concession money out of me, and I'm not giving the Ford's another dime.

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Originally Posted by ZacharyTait
This season has been crappy for me so far and not just because I'm a Lions fan. I also root for the Bengals and the Browns and all three teams are 0-2. Uugh.

That's a tough threesome, Zachary. Being a Michigan fan, it's been tough on me, too. Fortunately, I've been a Steelers fan for almost 40 years (my mother's from western PA and my dad went to school there), so I have one bright spot this football season.
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post #56 of 450
9/16/08 at 6:47am

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The Democrat Gazette has an "Off the wire" section in the Sports section of the paper. There is no other attribution to sources of articles. There is an article about the Charger game. Hochuli has acknowledged he screwed up. The article goes on to say:
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Until March 2007, down by contact plays were not reviewable. That rule was changed so that they were reviewable, and if a fumble occurred even after the whistle blew, the team recovering it got possession.

But just a few sentences earlier the article states
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Hochuli ruled it an incomplete pass. Replay ruled it a fumble, but it wa spotted at the 10-yard line, where the ball hit the ground, and given to Denver because the rules did not permit possession to be awarded to San Diego because the whistle had blown.
If my first quote is correct, Hochuli made two mistakes, blowing the whistle and than not following the rulebook. I've always thought that no matter how bad the call, a blown whistle overrode everything. If there was a fumble but the whistle blew, there is no fumble. But if there is no fumble, how do they spot the ball at the 10?

Shanahan said:
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They (the refs) did a heck of a job.
I'd like add my two bits to that: Brownie...I mean Hochuli, you did a heckuva job.

Shanahan goes on to say correctly that the TD wasn't a given. It was 3rd down on the 10. They still had to score a TD and a 2 pointer. The Charger dense did not stand up for the second game in a row, with the game on the line.
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post #57 of 450
9/16/08 at 8:56am

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Johnny,
As I understand it, there are different rules for "ruled down by contact" vs. "ruled incomplete pass". In the case of the INC, the call can be changed to a fumble, but the ball is considered dead, and no play can be made from that point. Apparently the discrepancy is likely to be changed in the coming off-season. I'm ambivalent about players being awarded possession for playing past the whistle but some of the whistles are so bad, what else can they do?

So, if the fumble had landed in the end zone, would it have been like a fumble out of the endzone, i.e, touchback, SD ball? That's my best guess.
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post #58 of 450
9/16/08 at 9:07am

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While I hate the results of "inadvertent whistles" sometimes, I really dread the results of not training todays' NFL athlete to stop at the whistle. Someone will be seriously injured due to this, in the near future. If the whistle does not mean STOP!!!, RIGHT NOW!!!!! what does it mean?
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post #59 of 450
9/16/08 at 11:27am

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They may change it to where possible incomplete/fumbles/combos are not whistled dead. I know last night, when the Eagles player, whoever his name was, I just remember him as moron, threw the ball backwards before he even made it in the end zone (then started doing his celebration dance after his fumble....moron) the play was never whistled dead, but assumed by all that it was over.

Speaking of that player, they mentioned in the game that in high school on a national televised game he was about to score a touchdown and did a swan dive from the 5 yard line but landed on the 2, being ruled down, and then awarded an unsportsman like conduct penalty, and they didn't score. The arrogance of this player is annoying, I hope his career goes no where.
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post #60 of 450
9/16/08 at 11:37am

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Yeah DeSean Jackson sure ingraved his name in history by that move. I absolutely couldn't believe it the second I saw the replay. It was so obvious he didn't make it in before dropping the ball. If he wasn't so good you'd hope that his team would beat the arrogance out of him. Perhaps he's like T.O. or Ocho-Sinco, without his attitude he wouldn't know how to survive.
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