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LOL Good think I wasn't drinking anything when I read that.

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You know, the people watching those other 90% are saying exactly the same thing about their favorite shows...

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I've only watched the seaosn premiere, but been checking here once in a while since. So far nothing I've heard compells me to check out the other 2(3?) eps on my DVR... unless I sense an improvement here, I won't be bothering.

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Well, he's not my choice but he could be Rebel. However, I'm pretty sure the Haitian is not Mamma Petrelli.

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I just caught up with the last 3 episodes and boy does this season suck. Has the creative team changed from last season? 'Cause everything from the writing to the directing and even the acting are just poorly executed. i don't even recognize some of these "Heroes" anymore. Really disappointed.

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I am about ready to give up on this as well.

a few years ago i gave up on smallville in the middle of the season. and i rarely give up on shows mid-season if i have/had liked them....

as someone stated earlier, these 'heroes' do not resemble the great heroes of season one.....

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Yeah, no chance of a plot development that interesting from this bunch.

Regards,

Joe

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I wonder how the actors feel about the season.

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+1 for me.

I loved the premise and style of almost everything season one did. Then it was like everyone involved in producing or writing the show was on drugs or something. Seriously, it was no where even close to the talent they did on season one.

Instead of it being a truly creative show, the writing just kept getting worse and they would do things that never came close to building upon season one concepts. Hiro could've gone to the past where he learned to focus his powers from an ancient master that crafted his power sword and there during battle grew as a person. Remember season one had Hiro as being a bad ass guy in the future and NOT the fumbling geek he is today. They could've formed a secret society and teamed up to use their powers according to world events that called for certain uses. Also, HRG company wouldn't be needed because they could police the bad guys too that had super powers. The point is TONS of stuff that was hinted at in season one was never realized and at this point it is a total mess that likely has destroyed a once HIGHLY promising show.

I don't think it will be back for a 4th season and personally I don't care. The only season I own is season one on DVD if that tells you anything and I refuse to buy a single episode from the other two as they were bad enough the first time around.

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See for me personally, I really liked S1, S2 was decent, S3 (Volume 3) was good.... but this last half of the season (Volume 4) has been just absolutely horrible.

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Then I would be silly to think anything else,

Could the Hunter be Rebel, and it's all a trap?


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I agree. I was hoping they would form a group that was led by HRG. Even though he has no powers he really knows his stuff and always seens to be one step ahead of who he is going after.

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I wonder if the reason that so many people who loved the first season despise the later ones is that the first season was an incredibly well crafted origin story that laid the groundwork for future seasons. Because a lot of the complaints I see often have something to do with the fact that we're seeing the same characters too much, or they're working together too frequently, or that we're not seeing them live their lives as normal people, etc.

Whereas for me, I loved the first season because they did in 22 episodes what most shows do in a pilot. They set up the world of the characters and allowed everything to unfold slowly. All of the characters were connected in some way or another, but we met them at a point in their lives where they didn't even realize it. Now that we know they're connected, and they know they're connected... what else could the show be?

I also like that this is a show where you really need to see the entire story arc of a volume to get the full picture. A lot of times shows will set up in the first or second episode what the overall goal or plot for the season will be and where everything's going, but with Heroes, we're often thrown into the middle of a scenario, and only as the weeks pass do we begin to see what actions in the past led them to that place, as well as the challenges that they'll eventually face.

It was only really at the end of season 1 that we came to understand that this is, primarily, a show about the Petrelli family, and all that goes with that. The people that seem to be increasingly dissatisfied with the show seem to have a hard time with that idea, and I really don't think there's anything that can be done to placate those people.

Put it this way: what are the showrunners supposed to do? Dump all of the characters and start over with a new group of people discovering their powers and eventually discovering they all have some connection to each other? Been there, done that.

I dunno... for me... it's an entertaining sci-fi show that airs on my least favorite day of the week, giving me something to look forward to all day long as I sit at work waiting to go home. For an hour every Monday night I get to step into another world, and three years in, that's still very much working for me.

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Let's not go too far. The finale was lousy, and that was an indicator of things to come. A lot of potential, and no payoff. The writers couldn't bear to kill favorites. In order to do that, characterization and motivation turned into mush.

Another show at the same time has the same problem. Their answer is the same: drive the show into the ground and squander any legacy and good feelings, until someone else takes it off the air.

In my ideal world, if you don't have any good ideas using the same setup and characters, try something else. Keep the exact same cast and crew, and totally switch it up: new premise and characters. Given the failure rate of new shows that the idiots that run the networks green-light every year, it could hardly do worse.

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I took it as a reference to "24". It just goes to show, though, that opinions vary. I really like the "24" reboot to Washington, DC. Maybe (the extended) absence really did make the heart grow fonder, because none of the implausibilities have really bothered me.

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I'll take the worst season of 24 over the best season of Heroes any day of the week. Even at its weakest, 24 is always elevated to a higher level than Heroes by Kiefer Sutherland's performance.

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...and I would tell you let's not go that far. But I see your point, see below.

For me, not the finale, but a couple of episodes in that last stretch. They weren't bad but something started going off. I remember complaining about it then. Stuff like Hiro father, their training etc.. didn't work too well for me. It was definitely a harbinger of things to come.

(different context but eh.) While this applies to just about everything we discuss, Heroes is the rare case where I have an extremely hard time wrapping my mind around the fact that not everyone sees the monumental drop of quality that occurred after season 1. That season was near perfect in it's planning and execution. Nothing since even comes close to the epic scope of Homecoming, Company Man, 5 Years Later etc... Ah well.

Anyway, I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. Just disappointed.

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You know, "slowly" is not an adverb I would apply to the first season of Heroes.

I figure that the trouble is that they do try to do the same thing every time - terrible vision of the future, Noah Bennett chasing people, Sylar on the loose and inevitably intersecting with the Heroes as something causes powers to go awry.

The big problem is that everything since seems to be a repeat of the first season. I wanted to throw something across the room when I saw the big, apocalyptic picture. I honestly think that the best thing Fuller can do for Volume 5 (since there's only so much he can do for volume 4 in a few episodes) is not deal with the future at all - no time travel, no painting the future. More than anything, just having the story always be about preventing a known (but ambiguous!) future from coming about. Seriously, just do something other than retelling Days of Future Past again!

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That's exactly what the original premise was to be. Maybe not all of the characters but most of them.

The idea was to pose a challenge at the beginning and solve it by the end, making sure that something important to the main story would happen in every episode. (no filler episodes, no side tracks) It was supposed to be about ordinary people that received extraordinary gifts and how they coped to solve the crisis set up at the start of the sequence.

By starting with a fresh slate each time their would be no need to escalate the crisis each series. They would be stand-alone volumes. When you use the same characters each time there is a need to increase the dramatic effect and eventually you end up with an immovable object facing the irresistible force .... and that result is either Stasis or Armageddon/Apocalypse.

While I'm not sure I would watch the show as envisioned more than one or two volumes, it sure would solve the problem of long breaks in the season killing interest due to a break in the action and you wouldn't have to neuter characters that became omnipotent.

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I love rge show, but I think it works a lot better on DVD. If they could add extended scenes that would be even better.

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Extending a painful scene might just make it more painful. The same applies to an episode, a volume, and a season. There are some things DVD helps with (watching "24" on DVD rocks). The issues Heroes has go beyond that. For me, the issues can't be encapsulated by the idea offered in this thread so far. Would it be nice to have fresh takes and spins? Sure. But my dissatisfaction, such as it is, can be boiled down to much simpler things: The integrity of the characters and the pacing of the episodes.

Almost everyone we've gotten to know who is still around has become an empty afterimage of who we got to know. Instead of allowing our characters to breathe, we end up with them saying 2 lines, so we can move on to the next of the cast of hundreds saying 2 lines (if anything) so they can squeeze all the nothing in. The characters are often brutally slaves to the plot. Instead of approaching situations with "This is this character, and this is how he'd react to the situation," it appears the writers are saying "This is what happens, and this is what we need to happen next, so that's what he's going to do." That irritates me and makes feel like the writers don't appreciate the audience. They had a hit show, got a bit comfortable, and now expect the audience to take whatever they dish out.

I'm no writer, but for me, you establish a character's personality (and in this case, abilities), and if you're trying to get from one situation to another, you creatively approach that within the character portraits you've established.

Somehow, the show manages to move at a breakneck speed while accomplishing nothing. It's almost like watching NASCAR (the cars are really going fast, but ultimately, they're not going anywhere).

I think they should stop trying to juggle so many characters because they're not doing justice to any of them this way (except maybe Sylar). Put Hiro and Ando on the bench if you don't need them. Don't force yourself to write storylines about them if you don't have anything to say. The same goes for other Heroes. Pick who you need to tell a story, and flesh out that story in a sensible way.

Going to multiple volumes in a season was a good idea, but they're not executing it well. It isn't that I don't like the Heroes hunted premise. If they did it right, it'd be interesting and exciting to watch. But maybe fewer scenes of Ando on the batcycle, because you know what? Nobody cares. If we have to see Claire every episode, can she please do something. I'm tired of daddy HRG pulling wings off butterflies because he loves and wants to protect Claire. We get it. But is she just a person with an ability, or is she going to be a Hero? Do something. I have a hard time remembering her doing anything with her ability since (I think it was called) How To Stop an Exploding Man. Now that was Claire. Will we ever forget the sight of Claire with her skin singed off regenerating with every step she took? Or what about Claire waking up mid-autopsy? Now we just get her teen angst. Hiro's powerless, and worse, somewhat purposeless. Peter is weaker. Matt's power is incredible, except he wants to pretend he's normal instead of embracing it. I'm not sure Daphne has done anything useful since the Superman move faster than time to go to the past trick. I don't feel they need to kill these characters off, but they can get them out of the picture until needed.

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Extending a painful scene might just make it more painful. The same applies to an episode, a volume, and a season. There are some things DVD helps with (watching "24" on DVD rocks). The issues Heroes has go beyond that. For me, the issues can't be encapsulated by the idea offered in this thread so far. Would it be nice to have fresh takes and spins? Sure. But my dissatisfaction, such as it is, can be boiled down to much simpler things: The integrity of the characters and the pacing of the episodes.

Almost everyone we've gotten to know who is still around has become an empty afterimage of who we got to know. Instead of allowing our characters to breathe, we end up with them saying 2 lines, so we can move on to the next of the cast of hundreds saying 2 lines (if anything) so they can squeeze all the nothing in. The characters are often brutally slaves to the plot. Instead of approaching situations with "This is this character, and this is how he'd react to the situation," it appears the writers are saying "This is what happens, and this is what we need to happen next, so that's what he's going to do." That irritates me and makes feel like the writers don't appreciate the audience. They had a hit show, got a bit comfortable, and now expect the audience to take whatever they dish out.

I'm no writer, but for me, you establish a character's personality (and in this case, abilities), and if you're trying to get from one situation to another, you creatively approach that within the character portraits you've established.

Somehow, the show manages to move at a breakneck speed while accomplishing nothing. It's almost like watching NASCAR (the cars are really going fast, but ultimately, they're not going anywhere).

I think they should stop trying to juggle so many characters because they're not doing justice to any of them this way (except maybe Sylar). Put Hiro and Ando on the bench if you don't need them. Don't force yourself to write storylines about them if you don't have anything to say. The same goes for other Heroes. Pick who you need to tell a story, and flesh out that story in a sensible way.

Going to multiple volumes in a season was a good idea, but they're not executing it well. It isn't that I don't like the Heroes hunted premise. If they did it right, it'd be interesting and exciting to watch. But maybe fewer scenes of Ando on the batcycle, because you know what? Nobody cares. If we have to see Claire every episode, can she please do something. I'm tired of daddy HRG pulling wings off butterflies because he loves and wants to protect Claire. We get it. But is she just a person with an ability, or is she going to be a Hero? Do something. I have a hard time remembering her doing anything with her ability since (I think it was called) How To Stop an Exploding Man. Now that was Claire. Will we ever forget the sight of Claire with her skin singed off regenerating with every step she took? Or what about Claire waking up mid-autopsy? Now we just get her teen angst. Hiro's powerless, and worse, somewhat purposeless. Peter is weaker. Matt's power is incredible, except he wants to pretend he's normal instead of embracing it. I'm not sure Daphne has done anything useful since the Superman move faster than time to go to the past trick. I don't feel they need to kill these characters off, but they can get them out of the picture until needed.

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This is a false choice. Being dissatisfied with subsequent seasons doesn't no necessarly mean that one wants a repeat of season 1. If anything, the complaint is the exact opposite: Far too many elements of the first season are being recycled.

What do I want? I have no idea plotwise. I am not gonna engage is proposing preferred alternative scenarios. I just want them to take me to a place where I am not alternatively cringing and bored out of my mind. Since they haven't done that, then the show is on life support with me. I still hope they bounce back in some fashion, but it's getting dimmer.

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Now that we know that HRG really is working undercover, the Haitian seems more probable. He is HRG's old partner and I wouldn't be surprised if they kept in touch. Mamma Petrelli is also a good possibility since she can "see" the future and thus send warnings.

I was glad to see that Daphne is still alive. Still I really wish the writers would have the characters use their powers more imaginatively. Maybe when Ando joins back up with them and can boost them?

The plot that would make the most sense, but which I doubt we'll ever see, is Hiro using his company to shed light on the activities of the US government here. He has to have some good lawyers available.

Meanwhile, as per the quality of what we've been seeing, I've been watching 24 live and this later on the DVR.

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Hiro doesn't head up a conglomerate. I know his father died and left it to him, but ignore that. With the exception of building the batcave and batcycle, I don't think you'll see any indication Hiro is running a company. Papa Petrelli running Pinehearst? Yes. Gold Man running the Company? Yes. But Hiro running his dad's company? Not so much.

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At the beginning of the season Ando says that Hiro's dad made him own fifty-one percent of the company, a fleet of planes and a pile of money. Hiro hired a fleet of detective cleaning up and trying to figure out that Daphne stole the formula. He has the money to hire lawyers and do something.

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I would like to see Ando use his boosting powers to give Hiro back his powers. Powerless Hiro is just a geeky guy running around yelling about his destiny. Also, boost Peter's powers to give him back his ability to keep all the abilities he comes in contact with.