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Not that it's going ot make it any more digestible for you, but I thought the working premise is that the eclipse triggered an existing facet of their biology. In other words, it isn't going to turn me into a hero, but if I already have the DNA, it would trigger something. Whether that's the story or not, I don't know, but the important difference is trigger, not create.

I think Superman is currently considered as powered by our sun.

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I’m wondering what will happen due to the reset – namely:

For people who’s powers are to take other peoples powers, will they be restored with all of the powers they took, or just the ability to take them again? However they answer this, it would affect Skylar, Papa P, and Peter.

How will it affect people who had their powers taken (like Peter?) – will they be given them back?

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I enjoyed the none-too-subtle nod to a major complaint among some viewers (many of whom are on this forum), when Matt stated that Hiro was "a walking reset-button!"

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when the actors are reading this season's scripts... do they even stop and question the writers: "wtf u thinking"?

first, he continued being the badass. then, he turned good by mama petrelli. then bad when he killed the guy at the bank. then good by papa petrelli... now bad by elle? that's worse than daytime soaps!!!

totally inconsistent!

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A few things...

-When the first eclipse occured. Did the original people with powers (ie-Papa & Ma Petrelli, etc) loose their powers?

-I did laugh the first time screamed "Holy Cwap!"

-This is the longest eclipse I have ever seen.

-Would be interesting if after the eclipse. Peter gets his leeching power back (sans the abilities he had picked up before).

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No, still stupid. Why is an eclipse going to have more effect on them than, say, night, when the much larger mass of the Earth is between them and the sun?

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Now i've gone and soiled myself!

I read that about 10 min ago and it took me that long to compose myself before I could reply lol.

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The writing has been a mess. You have all these character walking around confused about what is happening, acting like idiots.
And the viewers are left to just sit there wondering what the hell the script writers are actually doing during their work week.

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Bingo. More then that, there are eclipses every few years, you'd think the older members would have noticed when they had powers and not. And it totally negates the entire existance of Sark, who was an immortal, living to current time. They showed him lose his power and turn to dust. Uh, over 400 years, there have been a few eclipses.. why no dusting or instant death then?

Hell, it also means that if that were the case, the elders.. the Petrelis, etc. should have seen this coming miles away and had a plan.. or not.. there is an eclipse an average of every 3 years. So, uh, they should have noticed.

Hell, if it stays off, it negates the entirety of the first season, because wasn't Suresh's sister (that roving ghost creature) who died.. when he went back for the funeral of his father there was an eclipse, I think.. part of the logo of the show.

I don't know, the whole thing the more I think about it strikes me as REALLY stupid.

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Good Wiki that explains this:

Eclipse - Heroes Wiki

Hell, they've already had two eclipses in a year on this show.


And nobody lost or gained powers. We're into just some goofball territory.

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That eclipse took place in 1671. And someone did indeed gain their powers: Adam Monroe.

If they wanted to take this route, they should have been more careful with lining up the powers for the pilot, but otherwise I quite like the signature visual element of the show having a significant plot purpose.

But then again, I've loved the last four or so episodes, so what do I know?

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Really? I thought he was already getting fame and told Hiro that he had fought battles and learned he couldn't die. I'd have to go back and watch that. But if he gained them, strange Hiro didn't lose his, or ... that it had no impact on him.

I don't know, confused.

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My biggest question with this season is why are so many still watching if the show is so terrible? I'm not saying that people have to like it but if I thought it was bad as some people do, I sure wouldn't have watched 10 episodes hoping it would get good again.

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There was a big freakout scene in the 2x03 or 2x04 when he got "killed" and came back to life.

I like that the effects of the eclipse are mysterious, I just wish the effects would be applied consistently across any given eclipse.

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Indeed. And Adam was more freaked out than anyone, so clearly it was the first time his powers manifested.

I think it's safe to assume that not all eclipses rob heroes of their powers. The one in the pilot didn't seem to affect the previous generation.

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In the comics, you know the rules for the characters and the universe, even if they are occasionally retconned or altered. I think part of the problem with Heroes is that we spend too much of our time in a state of ambiguity. I think if the ratio of what we know to what we don't know were altered a bit, it'd be a more enjoyable viewing experience. Not everything has to be a big mystery.

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just to confirm - Papa Petrelli DID have Hiro's power right? he took it from Peter who took it from Hiro. so he could have been doing alot more to further his cause then just staying in the background supervising...

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It is said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I too see a lot of issues with "Heroes" but I like it nonetheless. I just try not to over analyze the holes in the plots. I find most of the cast appealing with some more appealing than others. The eclipse is a poor plot device but makes for a great visual and the fact that throughout history an eclipse was seen as a harbinger of something bad or the influence of a divine power.

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Like flipping a coin?

According to the scheduling I've seen, Heroes runs straight through until mid-December, at which point the current Volume ends and the next Volume doesn't start until February. So those who are irritated by the show but still don't want to miss anything will have a sanity break.

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I have to laugh at these posts. This is a forum to discuss a show. Sometimes it may be good and other times it may be bad. Right now it's bad.
That doesn't mean that we aren't a fan of the show or that we don't want it to improve but sometimes venting frustration with the writers helps.
If this was a few people that thought Heroes was going down hill, I could understand but this has widely been talked about in forums and on tv blogs and the cover of Entertainment Weekly a few weeks ago. The ratings continue to fall.
The show is in trouble.

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I think fans of the show really want to see if the creative team pull this show out of its doldrums, if that means paring down the cast for the different volumes, that's a step in the right direction, and then focus on character development within the framework of people dealing with their powers on a daily basis, without having to play the "save the world" card over and over again, it gets old and tiresome because the show becomes a mangled mess of poorly written character actions with even less groundwork on their personal motivations and concerns (unless it's poor retconning that only serves to provide tenuous reasons for unlikely pairings of characters).

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You can laugh all you want but I didn't say that people can't dislike the show or that they can't discuss it or that it's perfect. I said that I don't understand why people continue to watch when they apparently get very little or no enjoyment out of it. I know that if I hated the show as much as some people here do, I'd have given up weeks ago.

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I respectfully disagree with those that think the show is bad.

I think the show is doing just fine. If it's not what individual people were expecting, well, I can't help you there. I have yet to find any of these plot points "confusing" or "incomprehensible" as some others have, which suggests to me that this isn't a show for casual viewing, that this is one of those shows were you get out of it what you put into it. I pay attention, and as a result, I'm riveted every Monday night.

I understand that some viewers are unhappy, and while I would never suggest that someone not post in this thread, I have to admit it is a little frustrating logging in the day after a new episode, week after week, and seeing the voices of fellow fans who are enjoying the show's current run being drowned out by a select few who seem as if they won't be happy until everyone agrees with them how terrible the show allegedly is, and frankly, that's not gonna happen, at least not from me.

I'm just saying, we used to talk about the show here, what happened on last night's episode, how that fit into the larger picture, the overriding themes, what was cool and what wasn't, etc., etc., etc., and now it seems that all we talk about is what people on other blogs or magazines think about the show or what the ratings are and all of that -- and I'm not saying that there isn't a place for that -- but it seems that this thread is no longer welcoming to those who like the show and want to talk about it. It's OK to make your point known...but if you have the same point every week, and that point is, "Wow, this show is getting worse and worse, and I don't even know why I watch it anymore, and I'll give next week's episode a chance but that's it", then it gets a little redundant to see the same people posting essentially that week after week instead of contributing to a discussion about the show.

Simply put, it's no fun posting in a thread where every time one person expresses enjoyment of the show, six people are ready to post about how terrible it is. Do we need to find a fault in everything? Like the people complaining about the eclipse... maybe it's ridiculous that the eclipse takes away their powers, but a) Superman is powered by Earth's yellow sun and I don't see him getting knocked for that, b) how is it that the eclipse is ridiculous and bad writing, etc., but people shooting lasers out of their fingers is fine (if you like a sci-fi show in my opinion and experience, you can't really pick and choose which sci-fi elements are acceptable and which ones aren't, you just have to go with the thing as a whole, otherwise you'll just end up being hypercritical and forget to enjoy the thing), and c) it's a fucking TV show and it's fiction and it's escapism, and for me it does just fine at all of those.

OK, getting off my soapbox now, mounting my high horse, and riding away..

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Interesting question. One of my good friends watches tons of shows he doesn't like. Every day he'd come to work bitching about Lost, or Alias, or Heros... whatever. He always blamed his wife who insists they watch together but I dissagree. I think he likes having stuff to bitch about.

As far as Heroes, I dig the show, but it does seem to be on a bit of a downswing but its not unbearable yet. I'm hoping it'll improve over the next few episodes. Maybe all this crazyness and inconsistency in the plot is going somewhere.

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this is no different than the smallville/star trek threads that we have here. lol. IT SUX! IT SUX! but wooo, NEW EPISODE i can't resist!!!

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The show has been an absolute borefest for the past two weeks.

However, though I would no longer consider myself a big fan of
the show (it really is a chore to watch these days), I stick with it
because I already have invested so much time into it.

I also am curious as to what changes will be made by the newly
added creative team that will hopefully pull this show out of the rut
it has been in for the past two seasons.

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Exactly! I have been known to put shows on personal hiatus, however. I waited over a year to watch Dead Zone for them to resolve the Stilson mess. (and then they reset it in the last episode ) Stargate Atlantis sits on the shelf (possibly forever) until they get rid of the Space Vampires. (no opponent deserves more than 2 seasons of screen presence)

I think we will have to wait for the next chapter. I think the only changes we could see for this part would be what can be done in the editing room. I'm sure filming was completed a long time ago on "Villains".

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On November 13, Mark Verheiden wrote at Famous Mark Verheidens Of Filmland: On HEROES... So, from that you know that they were at least that far a couple of weeks ago.