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My answer to your question Ron -

In a word, no. Briefly I thought the show had improved (3 or 4 episodes ago) but the last two episodes did very little for me.

I am nearly done with Heroes. I'll probably watch the first 2 or 3 episodes of next season to see if it improves, but it is going to be a low priority viewing for me.

- Walter.

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Heroes has gone from being a priority viewing to being watched first so I can get it out of the way before watching Big Bang, Mother and Chuck. It's improved since Fuller came back, but the magic from Season 1 is gone and I fear it will never be fully recaptured.

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I'm aware. Sometimes it's easier to start at the conclusion and work your way back. At no time has the show tried to tell us Claire's blood can bring people back from the dead. Her blood heals. That's established. Therefore, HRG wasn't dead.

Just look at the equipment they had HRG hooked up to before he was given the blood. You don't bother to hook dead people up to medical equipment.

Yes, a shot to the eye is normally death. But in this case, it wasn't.

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You'll recall there was a brief shot of Sylar floating just outside the window, just after he knocked Nathan back into the room. Sylar has recently honed his ability (thanks to Mrs. Petrelli) such that he no longer *needs* to kill or even see the brains of his victims.

Whether he *wants* to or not, is a different question. Either way, Sylar was flying just before he did the neck-slicing.

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How long do they think they can hide who he is from Sylar? From Claire?
For that matter, what will she think the first time he heals?

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He was dead. That entire scene was meant to mimic the autopsy scene with Claire, from volume 1. He was only hooked up to the medical equipment *because* he was being resurrected. Moreover, the fact that Noah is resurrected (and not merely healed) is stated on the U-control commentary on the blu-ray. Claire's blood heals, and also resurrects. Adam's blood prolongs life (as seen in the comics) and heals (Nathan's burns), but doesn't resurrect (also shown in the comics).

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A difference in how some are interpreting HRG's death. I saw him as being dead and Claire's blood brought him back to life. So why didn't they do it to Nathan.

At one point I thought, and maybe it was done, that Parkman did a Vulcan Mindmeld and has Nathan's Katra in his head now. But from what I saw, it looked like he just convinced Sylar is Nathan. But he won't be really Nathan, unless Sylar has Nathan's Katra when he touched Nathan.

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Thanks Greg, that's how I interpreted the scene. Just imagining what kinds of options they could have gone or will cook up to bring the real Nathan back. We don't see what happens to his body.

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Stupid season, and a stupid ending.

The best character on the show is now someone else because Parkman worked Sylars brain? Yeah, top notch writing guys, I really think I could come up with better stuff than these guys, at the very least I could tell them whats stupid, and this Season was stupid.

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Interesting. I've certainly not listened to the Blu-Ray commentary, and I stopped following the comics after S1. I take your word on it, though. That's a game changer. As I sit here, I'm thinking about all the people Sylar killed and from what you're saying the writers have said, Claire's blood could have brought any of them back to life. How long does this resurrection ability work anyway? I've gone from believing the wrong thing to believing a senseless thing. After all, there's simply no explanation for leaving Nathan to die when his daughter's blood can resurrect him -- and she's right there in the building.

I take that back. I'm sure there's an explantion they'll pull out of their... brains.

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Because to sell the deception, they needed as few people to know the truth about Nathan-Sylar as possible. Angela loved her son, but knew Sylar needed to be neutralized. This way, she thought, she could have her cake and eat it too. Obviously, that is not the case. Exactly. That why I don't get the criticism that it's so obvious that Sylar will re-emerge. Of course it's obvious! The writers out and out told us in the first moments of volume five. Exactly again. By only carrying two story threads over from the previous volume, they have the entire off-season to come up with something decent. That's what I meant by a clean break; Sylar is the only storyline really carrying forward. I don't get the show's love affair with Ali Larter either, but her storyline is completely new. I would try two episodes: 3x19 ("Shades of Gray") and 3x22 ("Turn and Face the Strange"0. If you don't like those, I'd throw in the towel on volume four. If you do, I'd watch from 3x19 through the end. I've liked this final arc a great deal, but plenty of others haven't. Leave the Trek terminology with Trek. One of the powers Sylar obtained was the ability to download a person's entire set of memories; that's why he needed Nathan to come to him even though he got the DNA for shapeshifting from his toothbrush. Since Sylar "downloaded" all of Nathan's memories, he had Nathan's complete life story inside him as surely as Nathan did. When Matt Parkman was poking around in Sylar's brain, he forced him to shapeshift into Nathan, and then blocked access to Sylar's own memories, so that when he woke up Nathan's memories were the only ones he had left. Sort of like ghosting one PC to a different set of hardware. When you boot it up the first time, it will seem exactly like the one of it was ghosted from. But over time, the differences in hardware will cause it to behave somewhat differently than the original PC did. Right now, Sylar has Nathan's body and Nathan's memories. He has been convinced, more effectively than anybody else could be, that he isNathan. He's as close as you could get to recreating Nathan as he was at the moment of death. But it's Sylar's soul, for lack of a better term, not Nathan's soul inside.

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Thanks Adam.

And this way, they could still keep both actors on the payroll, even though one character has died.

Will watch the next chapter to see how they play this out.

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Completely illogical. Sylar WAS neutralized already. They could have thrown his body into a meat grinder or something to make sure he stayed dead. Then use Claire's blood to resurrect Nathan. Everyone wins. No need for any secrecy about Nathan-Sylar.

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Terrible season. This show has no idea where it's going and the writers know it. Suresh's narration even hints at it. And the gratuitous plagiarism of LOST is a joke.

I've been hoping that they can achieve the greatness of season 1 again but it's just not happening. It's only getting worse.

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Yep. Remember earlier in the season, Mrs. Petrelli taught Sylar how to absorb people's abilities though concentration instead of removing their brain and studying it. Elle was the first person he learned from without harming. He's only killing now, because that's just who he is.

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Do you think they could have a spin off series starring Claire's bad wig?

Honestly, how could producers not see how horrible that looks.

I bet 85% of women on TV (American Idol, CSI, 24, etc) wear some type of wig or hair extension, but none is as noticeable as Claire's.
That was the best they could do?
It actually looks like a department store mannequin's wig.

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no one seems to be stating the obvious unless I've totally missed something, Peter has Sylars shape shifting abilities since he played the pres....so why didnt they just have Peter become Nathan?? This show has jumped an ocean of sharks.

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next season, i'm going to wait til the whole thing finishes then watch it.

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Uh, but then people would wonder where Peter is. This would be especially troubling since Claire was with Peter during the "battle" (nice battle, by the way, NBC, way to have some wicked fight at the end of a volume...), and would definately be wondering why her uncle and father are never in the same room together, EVER. Also. the minute Peter is forced to absorb a new power, the proverbial jig would be up.

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"Completely illogical. Sylar WAS neutralized already. They could have thrown his body into a meat grinder or something to make sure he stayed dead. Then use Claire's blood to resurrect Nathan. Everyone wins. No need for any secrecy about Nathan-Sylar."

I couldn't agree more about the feelings stated above. This show has become a real turkey and keeps getting worse. The writing is just as bad as season 2 and never have I seen a show go from red hot like season 1 to this trash so quick.

The writers aren't even trying for 2 seasons now and it is so obvious they have no idea where the show is going or even what they want it to. It seems like they wrote the first chapter of a novel and then published it without having the rest of the story in place. It's simply all over the map from lame rip-offs of X-Men story lines to the poor character plots. Really, I feel no connection or caring for any of them at this time, unlike season 1.

This season ended with a BIG disappointment yet again and the whole Sylar ending was poor at best as mentioned above. Besides, one other point is if they wanted to make it better is some would have to sacrifice themselves to take him down, but once they did like in the end, you would NEVER let them live regardless. As pointed out, kill off Nathan or even more good guys with Sylar being totally cremated, put in a wood chipper or whatever and there is no way he is coming back. Besides, it sort of spits on the grave of Nathan and others that have died to stop him. Yes, Sylar is the maybe the star character and bad guy but you can't tell me another good actor and character can't take his place.

Bottom line is like most, this is no longer a show I care about watching, much less rather it stays or goes. If only Chuck were given as much of a break as this trash.

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didn't Adam completely explode inside a tent of dynamite and still come back? i'm guessing Syalr could probably come back from being shredded... somehow.

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How about the "Dead Like Me" solution?
Burned to dust, placed in a pet urn, sent into space in a rocket.

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I'd say we start a petition to just cancel the show before it gets worse :-)

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I've got the last 8 or 9 episodes on my dvr. Haven't seen them yet. I had criticisms of the show when I stopped watching but still found it ok to watch. Mostly I didn't like the endless time and role shifting. Watch or delete?

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I'd watch them but in all fairness, I wouldn't say to put it at the top of your list. When you get a chance, watch an episode here or there and work your way through them. The episodes do get better closer to the end.

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There isn't as much of that in those few episodes. There are some flashback sequences, most prominently in the third-to-last episode, but they are true flashbacks rather than a character traveling through time. For instance, there's no moment where someone goes into the future, witnesses the end of the world, and comes back to try to stop it.

As far as the characters, I agree that this year there were a lot of times where characters didn't seem to be behaving right, that sort of thing. The end of the season isn't perfect, but especially in the last four or five episodes, they finally seem to get a handle on them again.

Without wanting to spoil it, it does build up to an ending that will allow the writers and producers to begin with a mostly clean slate next year, so whatever your feelings are for the last episodes here, there's a chance next season might be more to your liking regardless.

Personally, I'd watch them, but given that you lost some enthusiasm this season, I wouldn't go too far out of your way. You know, sit down when you have a free moment and check it out, but maybe don't plan your entire night around it.

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This is very tempting. I just watched the finale.. which tells you how "must see" this was.

They jumped the shark a ways ago, the finale was more.. well, there is Jump the Shark, when a good show goes bad. And then there is going Cop Rock.. when the entire premise is a disaster. Somewhere after Season 1, the entire premise became just terrible. Misfits of Science bad. The only thing I could think of when I watched the finale was the bouncing Turkey from Bones a few weeks ago.

I love the comment in Pixar's Incredibles about monologuing. Heroes takes it to a whole new level. Not only do the monologue about NOTHING, but then when it's obvious they've won, they snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory.



All Heroes needs is the introduction of Thunder Monkey. (Don't make me bring the Monkey Thunder)

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still it's a better solution that having to deal with Sylar re-emerging...which you know is going to happen....Sylar is the best character they have and they're too frightened to kill the golden goose.....plus this way it allows them to cash in on Star Trek