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Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

post #1 of 47
8/30/08 at 5:08am
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The Arts and Leisure section of the 8/31 edition of the NY Times has an article on "MTM" on DVD (link not available yet; the article is at page 17 of the print edition).

The article discusses the history of the series' availability on DVD, comments received by Fox from frustrated fans and the recent Oprah Winfrey tribute to the series. According to the article: "Fox got the message and has now committed to releasing all three remaining seasons, covering episodes from the fall of 1974 to the spring of 1977." Steven Feldstein of Fox is quoted as saying "It's the right opportunity for us to come out with the full series." No release date is given; the article notes that Feldstein is "currently awaiting a full release schedule."
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post #2 of 47
8/30/08 at 7:10am

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

OMG, that's great, but I can't help being skeptical, given how we kept hearing how poorly the first four seasons sold.

And how long will it be before they get pestered for "Rhoda" and "Phyllis?"
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post #3 of 47
8/30/08 at 8:38am

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

come out with the full series ? does that mean a complete series set ?

the only way to get s5-s7 is to buy the Complete Set ?
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post #4 of 47
8/30/08 at 10:46am

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
And how long will it be before they get pestered for "Rhoda" and "Phyllis?"

I would love to see "Rhoda", but it will most likely come with music substitution. And I've had up to here with Fox and music replacement.
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post #5 of 47
8/30/08 at 11:08am

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

Thanks, Erik!

Great news all the way around. Looking forward to hearing more details about the remaining seasons soon. I consider this show to be the 70s equivalent of the Van Dyke Show...smart, witty, adult, and a great ensemble cast. TV history (old shows and new shows) is filled with sitcoms that played to the lowest common denominator and MTM and DVD are examples of those which rose above the dreck to be timeless.

Steve "Very happy camper today" O (apologies to Gary )
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post #6 of 47
8/30/08 at 12:16pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

I dont care if I have to rebuy seasons 1-4 I'M IN!!!!!

IS also a very happy camper
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post #7 of 47
8/30/08 at 12:28pm

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Here is the link guys!!



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/ar...se&oref=slogin
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post #8 of 47
8/30/08 at 12:28pm

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Here is the link guys!!



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/ar...se&oref=slogin
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post #9 of 47
8/30/08 at 12:36pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

sounds good to me, it is time for Dave and Gord to do some work over the holiday weekend and have some news come tuesday on this.
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post #10 of 47
8/30/08 at 12:38pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

I've just sent Dave a link for it
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post #11 of 47
8/30/08 at 1:12pm

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Come out with the full series? Does that mean a complete series set? The only way to get S5-S7 is to buy the Complete Set?

I don't think that's what Mr. Feldstein meant at all when he said "It's the right opportunity for us to come out with the full series".

I don't think he was implying that the only way to get seasons 5-7 was to purchase a Complete-Series set.

I hate to put words into anyone's mouth, but here's exactly what I think the FOX executive meant:

"It's the right opportunity for us to come out with the [remaining three seasons of this excellent, groundbreaking TV show on DVD, so that the] full series [will then be available in digital format for all time to come]."
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post #12 of 47
8/30/08 at 1:38pm

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After an incredibly stressful week at work, this was JUST the news I needed to help kick off my holiday weekend! I am on Cloud 9.
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post #13 of 47
8/30/08 at 2:45pm

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I'd never thought I'd say this but....

Thank you Oprah!

I thought that when she did the show on MTM, the Oprahbots would get sales and pressure going enough to get Fox back on to releasing the show.
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post #14 of 47
8/30/08 at 3:05pm

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Finally, Oprah makes a positive contribution to society. Invite Bob Newhart onto your show PRONTO.

Note in the article Steve Feldstein's slam at Sony. Maybe the pressure will increase on them to finish their 30 abandoned shows. But the author of the article actually wants The PJs on DVD while sneering at the availability of Gomer Pyle, USMC? I tried watching that show when it premiered almost 10 years ago, and good lord I wish I hadn't. Gomer Pyle I might buy were they not cutting music left and right.

Also note, which the New York Times doesn't, how it was not until Oprah that Fox had anything other than a hand-to-mouth schedule with this, or any, show. They're part of the problem.

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I would love to see "Rhoda", but it will most likely come with music substitution. And I've had up to here with Fox and music replacement.

Me, too. I sometimes wonder whether the cost of lawsuits involved in using music without paying for it is less than actually paying for it legitimately.

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Now can somebody find a phone number at Sony Pictures Home Entertainment? We’re still waiting for the last three seasons of “All in the Family.”

Fat chance. I have tried for years to find a human being at that studio.
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post #15 of 47
8/30/08 at 3:08pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

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Originally Posted by Michael Rogers
I'd never thought I'd say this but....

Thank you Oprah!

I thought that when she did the show on MTM, the Oprahbots would get sales and pressure going enough to get Fox back on to releasing the show.
Here's hoping Oprah is a "Hill Street Blues" fan.
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post #16 of 47
8/30/08 at 3:48pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

I guess "Oprah pays tribute to Tales of the Gold Monkey" is not likely. What a pisser.
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post #17 of 47
8/30/08 at 4:08pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

Good news, I didn't read the article yet, but Oprah is a huge Mary fan. I hope this also trickles down to the rest of The Bob Newhart Show.
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post #18 of 47
8/30/08 at 4:08pm

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Originally Posted by Doug Wallen
Here's hoping Oprah is a "Hill Street Blues" fan.

Not to mentioned a fan of Colt Seavers. Maybe "The Fall Guy" can finally get some proper respect. Like, I don't know a non-butchered release.
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post #19 of 47
8/30/08 at 6:44pm

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well, Oprah did have Valerie Bertinelli on her show a few months ago, didn't do a thing for One Day At A Time, LOL
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post #20 of 47
8/30/08 at 6:57pm

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I guess "Oprah pays tribute to Tales of the Gold Monkey" is not likely. What a pisser.

Or Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea
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post #21 of 47
8/30/08 at 7:15pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

Mr. Feldstein's swipe at other studios was a bit below the belt, but I do agree with him that the market has gotten too saturated. In particular I believe Paramount is cannibalizing many of their classic releases by putting too many series out at once, many in half season volumes. Unless someone is very wealthy, there's no way a consumer can support all or even a high percentage of their releases.

Their ramp-up has also potentially led to some QC issues. Surely the Fugitive debacle could have been avoided with some more diligent research. The Cannon release had subpar (by CBS/P) video. A Perry Mason S2 episode had an unnecessary 70 second edit. The S5 Hawaii Five 0 release nearly had a major front cover blunder until Dave/Gord saved them from themselves. Now it appears they're trying to offset lower sales by higher prices on certain titles which will potentially hurt sales more.

In my opinion, studios would have been better served to take a page out of the WHV theatrical playbook and scaled back releases until the economy/DVD market picked back up. Yes, some will still complain about the dearth of releases, but it's still preferable to having properties being deemed "unsalable" and thus killing chances of future releases.
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post #22 of 47
8/30/08 at 7:56pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

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Originally Posted by Aryn Leroux
sounds good to me, it is time for Dave and Gord to do some work over the holiday weekend and have some news come tuesday on this.

Well, after celebrating my birthday yesterday, and taking my family to the fair today, and going shopping tonight for meat to grill at my in-laws' place tomorrow for Labor Day (my sis-in-law, a Pharmacy Tech, has to work Monday), I did finally get around to posting it a short time ago this evening:

The Mary Tyler Moore Show DVD news: Fox Says The Mary Tyler Moore Show Will Be Completed on DVD | TVShowsOnDVD.com


Gord has been in the Ukraine for the past week, and remains there for another two weeks.


And nah, we wouldn't "wait until Tuesday". We've posted news every single day, including weekends and holidays, without missing a day since October 11, 2003. Yep, we're heading toward our 5th year anniversary of "no missed news days"! A record we're both immensely proud of, and it will take a near-death experience before we screw it up before then...or after.
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post #23 of 47
8/30/08 at 8:02pm

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Originally Posted by Steve...O
Mr. Feldstein's swipe at other studios was a bit below the belt, but I do agree with him that the market has gotten too saturated. In particular I believe Paramount is cannibalizing many of their classic releases by putting too many series out at once, many in half season volumes. Unless someone is very wealthy, there's no way a consumer can support all or even a high percentage of their releases.

Their ramp-up has also potentially led to some QC issues. Surely the Fugitive debacle could have been avoided with some more diligent research. The Cannon release had subpar (by CBS/P) video. A Perry Mason S2 episode had an unnecessary 70 second edit. The S5 Hawaii Five 0 release nearly had a major front cover blunder until Dave/Gord saved them from themselves. Now it appears they're trying to offset lower sales by higher prices on certain titles which will potentially hurt sales more.

In my opinion, studios would have been better served to take a page out of the WHV theatrical playbook and scaled back releases until the economy/DVD market picked back up. Yes, some will still complain about the dearth of releases, but it's still preferable to having properties being deemed "unsalable" and thus killing chances of future releases.

I am sorry, but that sounds like a catch-22 if ever there was one. Paramount is actually releasing shows the rate they need to be coming out, as opposed to lazy asses like Fox and Sony and Universal who are sitting on further sets from shows that haven't seen a release in two, three, four or more years. I am not big on much of the Paramount library, but give me the rate they're going in compared to Fox and Sony which treat everything that isn't Seinfeld or The Simpsons like garbage.
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post #24 of 47
8/30/08 at 9:53pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

Hopefully this leads to the final two seasons of "The Bob Newhart Show" will be released.
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post #25 of 47
8/31/08 at 6:06am

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My vote is for Oprah presents CPO Sharkey week.

If they would restore the Xmas episode correctly on season 1, I'd gladly buy a box set even with it meaning I'd have to repurchase seasons 2-4.
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post #26 of 47
8/31/08 at 12:10pm

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I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, but as happy as I should be now, I'll be much happier when I read reports of quality of the actual releases.

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Mr. Feldstein's swipe at other studios was a bit below the belt

Not to mention his poor example of a show "nobody" wants, which ran eight years and seems to be doing okay in reruns on BET. Short-lived bombs with little to no following, such as Lateline, The Jeff Foxworthy Show, or All-American Girl, are far better examples of the depths of market saturation. Not to mention reality shows that are not worth watching once, never mind saving for posterity.

Remember that Mary's "poor sales" happened before the glut of TV shows on DVD started. Blaming other shows for what Fox should have done differently is disingenuous.

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I am sorry, but that sounds like a catch-22 if ever there was one. Paramount is actually releasing shows the rate they need to be coming out, as opposed to lazy asses like Fox and Sony and Universal who are sitting on further sets from shows that haven't seen a release in two, three, four or more years. I am not big on much of the Paramount library, but give me the rate they're going in compared to Fox and Sony which treat everything that isn't Seinfeld or The Simpsons like garbage.

They may be the only one releasing anything (save independents, who could seemingly make Supertrain profitable if they tried hard enough), but frankly I wouldn't mind a small slowdown if it led to increased quality of releases. The problem with the other studios is that they have come to a total halt and are releasing nothing but the arbitrary short-lived cult favorite or throwing one season of a previously abandoned show to the wall before they abandon it again (you're kidding yourself if you think season 3 of Barney Miller will come any time soon).
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post #27 of 47
8/31/08 at 1:02pm

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Originally Posted by MatthewA

Not to mention his poor example of a show "nobody" wants, which ran eight years and seems to be doing okay in reruns on BET. .


Which show is that? He mentioned a few.

I am for studios releasing their library as long as their sales expectations are realistic. I'd rather have a whole bunch of stuff coming out I don't want as long as it includes some of the stuff I do want. And sometimes I sample stuff and decide I do want it (I never watched Green Acres before DVD).
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post #28 of 47
8/31/08 at 2:27pm

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Originally Posted by Michael Rogers
Which show is that? He mentioned a few.

He sort of slammed the release of Diff'rent Strokes. Frankly, I couldn't care less what he said, as long as he releases the show.

I am so happy find that (theoretically at this point) I was wrong about Fox never releasing the final 3 seasons. But I've trained myself to no longer get upset over release schedules or non-releases. Getting upset doesn't accomplish anything but raising my blood pressure and shortening my life span. Especially where Sony is concerned, I've learned that they'll put 'em put when they put 'em out, and I have no control over it, so I don't sweat it. Plus, it DOES give my wallet a chance to regrow some green.

I've learned to email the parties concerned, maybe place a phone call, and then let it go. What will happen, will happen. Although in this case, I think Oprah's call mattered more than mine probably.
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post #29 of 47
8/31/08 at 4:53pm

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Originally Posted by MatthewA
Short-lived bombs with little to no following, such as Lateline, The Jeff Foxworthy Show, or All-American Girl, are far better examples of the depths of market saturation.

actually. Jeff Foxworthy came out on DVD at the height of "Blue Collar TV"'s popularity. It made sense to release it. And with All-American Girl, Margaret Cho has a very large cult following (I actually am seeing her in about three weeks, have second row seats too), mainly in the gay/lesbian and in the Asian-American communities, that it made sense that the people who buy her stand-up films would buy her failed TV show, especially since her cult following didn't really take off until years later and she spent about 30 minutes in I'm the One That I Want talking about the show. Both were ideas that might not sell Seinfeld numbers, but made sense considering the audiences they targetted.
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post #30 of 47
8/31/08 at 6:18pm

Re: Final 3 Seasons of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" to be Released by Fox (NY Times)

I always found it disappointing that such a well-received series like MTM might never be completed, but this is indeed great news! I'm not a big fan of sitcoms, but the ones I like are mostly from the 70s (And most of them, other than M*A*S*H, have yet to be completed: Bob Newhart Show, Barney Miller, Taxi and WKRP)--perhaps this will trickle down to other stalled releases.
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