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post #211 of 257
11/26/08 at 8:15pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

I didn't get that Aceveda was involved. It looked to me like the guy was a loudmouth with little real power, and he got taken out. It just showed how things came together for Aceveda. One would like to think Aceveda had more realistic competition than Vote For Me and I'll Set You Free (he said it so much I half expected the Temptations to break out into, "Rap on, brother, rap on."

Not the strongest aspect of the episode, but it was OK.
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post #212 of 257
11/26/08 at 8:38pm
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Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by ScottH
I was shocked that Shane took his family with him.
Me too. I had thought about the possibility of Shane committing suicide but I basically dismissed it because of his family so it caught me completely off guard when he killed them too.

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Originally Posted by ScottH
(I think 'The Wire' coinciding with most of it's run took a little bit away from it for me)
I think The Wire is a better show but, to me, the only real similarities between the two is that they're both shows about cops. Both shows had completely different goals and styles so I don't really compare the two.

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Originally Posted by Mikah Ceruco
It looked to me like the guy was a loudmouth with little real power, and he got taken out.
That's my interpretation too. That character was introduced way back in S3 as the owner of a comic book shop who would use a garden hose to spray hookers that were working in his neighborhood and if I remember correctly, he got his ass kicked by a pimp or something along those lines. It seems like he didn't learn to not mess with the wrong people and that's what got him killed.
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post #213 of 257
11/26/08 at 8:53pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by TravisR
I think The Wire is a better show but, to me, the only real similarities between the two is that they're both shows about cops. Both shows had completely different goals and styles so I don't really compare the two.
I agree. I wasn't really comparing the two. Regardless of the subject matter, 'The Wire' IMHO is probably the best television show of all time...so I just brought up the possibility that having that going during much of 'The Shield's' run potentially knocked it down a peg or two in my mind since during it's run I was comparing EVERY show to 'The Wire' (and nothing ever lived up to it's standard).
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post #214 of 257
11/28/08 at 8:48am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

I was deeply move by this show. I am still thinking about it. I was truly shocked and saddened that Shane did that to his family and himself. My wife and I were saying how sad it is to think about the "good old days" of the Strike Team busting down doors and raising hell with the gangs...now to see them end up like this...rather depressing. However, it shows that evil has consequences.
I thought it was really something to see Ronnie lose it on Vic. I think that is the first time we see that character really explode. I dont recall ever seeing him really rage like that before. Again, very emotional to watch.

I know the series is over, and in some ways I am glad. It ended well. It did not overstay its welcome. However, I would really love to see a spinoff show that follows Dutch. I found his character really interesting. I think it would make a good show that featured him with cameos from the rest of the Barn. I dunno...maybe I am just sad to see so many characters leave the screen.
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post #215 of 257
11/28/08 at 3:54pm

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At the end it was sad seeing the clips of the Strike Team laughing and having a good time.

I liked how the Dutch story ended, it was real. The kid is a serial killer, smart, calculating and shows no remorse. IMO, the kid will not slip up for awhile and I disagree with Claudette's pov, killing his mom will not make him crack any sooner.

I still don't like how Corin worked with the cops to get Vic busted, I think she should of known Vic would never do anything to hurt his family. I know Vic is a bad man, but I don't know how many people would turn on their spouce/ex spouce like she did.
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post #216 of 257
11/28/08 at 6:16pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
At the end it was sad seeing the clips of the Strike Team laughing and having a good time.

I liked how the Dutch story ended, it was real. The kid is a serial killer, smart, calculating and shows no remorse. IMO, the kid will not slip up for awhile and I disagree with Claudette's pov, killing his mom will not make him crack any sooner.

I still don't like how Corin worked with the cops to get Vic busted, I think she should of known Vic would never do anything to hurt his family. I know Vic is a bad man, but I don't know how many people would turn on their spouse/ex spouse like she did.

Yeah, Vic would never go the Shane route. To much pride there. Shane felt hopeless because his wife had also killed and was going to prison = loss of family, etc. If that was Vic in that horrible situation with Corin having killed, I still don't see him taking the family and himself out
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post #217 of 257
11/28/08 at 10:50pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

Excellent, fitting finale.

Ronnie ain't gonna last long in Antoineville.

Vic in a grey suit - funniest thing I've seen in a while. He knows Shane's kids' deaths are on him. If he hadn't wound Shane up about them, I'm not sure Shane would have taken anyone with him. Tragic.

The door is open for a movie. Provided they do it quickly. A situation emerges which absolutely requires Vic. He can then spring Ronnie. Alternatively, there's that Dutch spin-off idea that would be great too.

Loved the sound work in the office.

I'm surprised that they didn't explain how Claudette nailed the serial killer. I'll spell it out:

First scene: she tells him some clothes were found in a trash-can outside Dutch's house.
Second scene: he tells her Dutch "burned my mother's clothes".
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post #218 of 257
11/29/08 at 5:38pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by PhilipG
Excellent, fitting finale.


I'm surprised that they didn't explain how Claudette nailed the serial killer. I'll spell it out:

First scene: she tells him some clothes were found in a trash-can outside Dutch's house.
Second scene: he tells her Dutch "burned my mother's clothes".

Wow, never picked that up. They never said anything earlier to the kid that would have him know that? I deleted my DVR so I can't go back.
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post #219 of 257
11/29/08 at 9:51pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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First scene: she tells him some clothes were found in a trash-can outside Dutch's house.
Second scene: he tells her Dutch "burned my mother's clothes".

Nice catch
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post #220 of 257
11/30/08 at 8:57am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

Maybe it's because I'm a father of a little boy, but the scene where they find Shane and his family had me in tears. I knew it was coming but it still really bothered me.

I caught the scene about the burned clothes as well. As soon as he said that I said "She's got him."
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post #221 of 257
11/30/08 at 9:01am

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Nah. We didn't see the entire conversation. The burnt clothes were probably mentioned off screen. And there were no cues at all that that it was a gotcha moment (a light bulb moment for Claudette.) Her reaction was "we got a witness that clears him" and she went on about being a character witness for Dutch. No mention of a logic flaw.

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post #222 of 257
11/30/08 at 9:23am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

Did anybody else catch the smirk on Vic's face as he walked towards the camera at the end of the show?

Are there rumors about a possible movie?
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post #223 of 257
11/30/08 at 9:25am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by Holadem
Nah. We didn't see the entire conversation. The burnt clothes were probably mentioned off screen. And there were no cues at all that that it was a gotcha moment (a light bulb moment for Claudette.) Her reaction was "we got a witness that clears him" and she went on about being a character witness for Dutch. No mention of a logic flaw.

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H


For the light bulb, didn't she immediately say I now have to place you under arrest for the murder.... ?

I deleted it off my DVR also.
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post #224 of 257
11/30/08 at 9:52am

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Brutal and raw. Much like the entire series. It's been a privilege to watch this show. Really, really great stuff.

I also agree that Vic will find a way to do something. He is one scary SOB.
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post #225 of 257
11/30/08 at 9:54am

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Did anybody else catch the smirk on Vic's face as he walked towards the camera at the end of the show?

I looked at it as the pursed lips of resignation more than a smirk. It was Vic arriving at the conclusion that even though he was currently kicked in the teeth, you either eat the bear or the bear eats you. As in every other situation in his life, Vic walked out of his cubicle intent on eating the bear. Whether he'll be successful or not is for the audience to debate, at least for now. But he didn't become the guy we know by being stupid. It's true that now that he's confessed to horrendous crimes and so many people know about them, he doesn't have one of the things that protected him (lack of knowledge and proof of his actions). But still... this is Vic.
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post #226 of 257
11/30/08 at 10:16am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

BTW...just read that Walton Goggins' wife killed herself in real life. That just hit me pretty hard. Talk about a tough performance.

Also, I think my favorite line of the night was Dutch to Ronnie, "For the last three years!"

And, while I think we've put the sociopath debate to bed...I was impressed/surprised at how Vic never once buckled over or vomited or anything dramatic. He swallows those emotions down and compartmentalizes them somewhere. Don't know how he does it. He is truly a shark - he just keeps trying to move forward and that somehow makes it work.
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post #227 of 257
11/30/08 at 11:25am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by Holadem
Nah. We didn't see the entire conversation. The burnt clothes were probably mentioned off screen. And there were no cues at all that that it was a gotcha moment (a light bulb moment for Claudette.) Her reaction was "we got a witness that clears him" and she went on about being a character witness for Dutch. No mention of a logic flaw.

By the same token you can have an off-screen scene wherein Dutch, having witnessed the tape of her second interview, can put two and two together.
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post #228 of 257
11/30/08 at 12:55pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by Quentin
BTW...just read that Walton Goggins' wife killed herself in real life. That just hit me pretty hard. Talk about a tough performance.
Didn't realize that. Interesting.

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And, while I think we've put the sociopath debate to bed...
We have?
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post #229 of 257
11/30/08 at 6:35pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by TonyD
hmm, I'm not sure the ending does it for me.
I guess I really wanted more or something else.

I loved the irony of it but it wasn't much different then the way Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Sopranos ended

Not Really I see Vic Either Running or Using what was in the lock box.
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post #230 of 257
11/30/08 at 6:37pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
A part of me thinks we wouldn't be completely satisfied with the finale unless they did a Six Feet Under style future reel showing the future fates of some of the important characters. As it is, the show is gone, but I still want to see what goes on with these characters. How does Vic cope? What happens in 3 years when his current ICE contract is done? Does he ever see his family again? If he stays in law enforcement, does he stay crooked? Does Dutch get off? Does Dutch become captain?

BTW, it sucks that Ronnie is the only one paying for the actions of the Strike Team in the legal system. It'd be interesting to see if he could find something important Vic didn't confess to, thus invalidating Vic's immunity, in exchange for a lighter sentence.

Isn't that the telling successs of a Show to leave you wanting for more. This was the perfect ending to vic's Character, anything else would've been letting him of for what he did.
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post #231 of 257
11/30/08 at 6:42pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by Harpozep
Yeah, Vic would never go the Shane route. To much pride there. Shane felt hopeless because his wife had also killed and was going to prison = loss of family, etc. If that was Vic in that horrible situation with Corin having killed, I still don't see him taking the family and himself out

I think if Vic was backed into the Same Corner his ending would've been similar to shane, these are fun characters to watch, as were the Sopranos, but Criminals are a cowardly lot when they are backed into a corner.
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post #232 of 257
11/30/08 at 7:40pm
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Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by Rhett_Y
Are there rumors about a possible movie?
I read an interview with Shawn Ryan (the show's creator) and he said it was a possibility but it didn't seem like something he had any plans for.

I'd be the first person in line to see a Shield movie but I'm 100% happy with this ending so I don't see a need to go back to the characters.
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post #233 of 257
12/3/08 at 4:02am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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BTW...just read that Walton Goggins' wife killed herself in real life.

Who is Walton Goggins?
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post #234 of 257
12/3/08 at 4:10am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

Walton Goggins played Shane.

Weird but true: I'd watched about four seasons of The Shield without knowing the cast from anything, and then I tried to match up characters with actors' names in my head. When I checked with IMDB, I was absolutely right!
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post #235 of 257
12/3/08 at 12:40pm

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His wife actually died a few years back. Until reading Wiki, I thought she died recently (which would be way too strange).

Another thing I saw recently while flipping through channels is Laurie Holden (Agent Olivia Murray) played Michael Chiklis' (Detective Vic Mackey) fiance in Fantastic Four.
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post #236 of 257
12/3/08 at 3:18pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

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Originally Posted by PhilipG
Walton Goggins played Shane.

Weird but true: I'd watched about four seasons of The Shield without knowing the cast from anything, and then I tried to match up characters with actors' names in my head. When I checked with IMDB, I was absolutely right!
Plays a great role as a convert who accepts Jesus as the Po-po are closing in on Duvall in The Apostle.
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post #237 of 257
12/4/08 at 11:10am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

Just to drag this thread out a little more before it dies...

From best to worst:
Season 5 (amazing and plays as a complete story)
Season 2 (maybe has a few more great individual episodes than 5, with Armadillo and the money train)
Season 1 (some great standalones, and the show really moved along fast and brutal back then)
Season 7 (slow start, but strong last few episodes which we've already gone over)
Season 3 (great start with the Tavon/Shane fight & Acevada rape, kind of drags on with post-Money Train shenanigans afterwards)
Season 6 (similar to Season 3, starting with a great epilogue to the characters of Kavanaugh and Guardo, and then kind of a sleepwalk to the end)
Season 4 (not bad, and helps to set up Season 5, just somewhat underwhelming in comparison)

Thoughts?
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post #238 of 257
12/4/08 at 12:00pm
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Re: The Shield: Season Seven

Off the top of my head, I would rank them as:

S4 is the best thanks to Glenn Close and Anthony Anderson and the team having to get Shane out of Antoine Mitchell's grasp.
S7 since all bets were off so I was constantly on the edge of my seat every week.
S5 had Forrest Whitaker's performance and Shane killing Lem
Followed by S2, S3, S6, S1. Keep in mind that ranking doesn't mean that I find any of the seasons bad.
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post #239 of 257
12/4/08 at 1:12pm

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1. Season 5 (definitely the best)
2. Season 4 (loved the Antoine Mitchell arc)

After that, it's hard for me to say. Season 6 was definitely the weakest. I'd probably put season 7 third, but the beginning of that brings it down. Then, probably Season 3, Season 2, Season 1. So...

3. Season 7
4. Season 3
5. Season 2
6. Season 1
7. Season 6
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post #240 of 257
12/5/08 at 3:42am

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

I get lost with all these seasons, but the season involving
Forest Whitaker (would guess season 5) was my favorite.
It was his character that made that season the thrill ride that
it was.

I'll give the Glen Close season 5 the second best.

But really, we all know, no losers here.
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