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post #121 of 257
10/29/08 at 2:31pm

Re: The Shield: Season Seven

I thought so - but what about next week? I don't see it coming up on my PVR - are they taking a week off?
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post #122 of 257
10/29/08 at 2:36pm
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Nope. At least, not in America.
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post #123 of 257
11/4/08 at 6:10am

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Can anyone confirm the date of the finale? Looks like if they don't take any weeks off, it would be November 25th (Thanksgiving week).
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post #124 of 257
11/4/08 at 7:09am

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Ronnie is a much more gifted liar than I ever gave him credit for. The walls are really closing in on Vic, but I can't help hoping he somehow escapes. It isn't like most of the people who are after him have clean hands (with the exception of Corrine and Claudette.)

Regards,

Joe
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post #125 of 257
11/4/08 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by ScottH
Can anyone confirm the date of the finale? Looks like if they don't take any weeks off, it would be November 25th (Thanksgiving week).
Yeah, it's the November 25.
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post #126 of 257
11/6/08 at 10:23am

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It's so friggin' over for all of them.

It was painful watching Shane and Mara hang out in the house. Reminded me of movies like Bonnie & Clyde. They're so oblivious of the shit storm coming down on them.
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post #127 of 257
11/6/08 at 12:32pm
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It doesn't look good but I think if anyone can get out of it, it'll be Vic. Since I like the team of Dutch and Claudette (and it's great to see them partnered up one last time), I'm half rooting for them to bust Vic... after, of course, he kills Shane.
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post #128 of 257
11/6/08 at 3:58pm

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I'm thinking Lupus will rear its ugly head at a crucial time for Claudette.
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post #129 of 257
11/6/08 at 6:53pm

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I think it will all come to an end with Vic, Shane & Ronnie having dinner in a diner and reminiscing while listening to Journey.
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post #130 of 257
11/6/08 at 8:07pm

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Well, I've been thinkin' about what makes this show so great. I concluded that it's because it gives every main character (with the exception of poor old Lem) a fair shake. A standard cop show would try to make Vic likeable, while making everyone else who was not "for him" a complete bastard or a bitch. With The Shield, every one of the main characters is sympathetic (to me, at least). So, I cheer for Aceveda when he beats up that guy. I cheer for Claudette and Dutch, out to get Vic. I cheer for Shane and Mara, two people who really care about each other and their family, as they try to escape. I cheer for Corrine, trying to break free from her corrupt husband. And I want Vic and Ronnie to join ICE, and keep putting bad guys away in their own inimitable ways.

So, with that in mind, maybe Shawn Ryan will craft a way for everyone to win...
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post #131 of 257
11/7/08 at 2:10am

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I'm not in favor of people rotting away in a jail cell as a first recourse. Vic definitely has something to offer society, but he's so unfailingly corrupt that I have no current vision about how you can use him and keep him in check at the same time. He'd almost have to be handled like a CI (you work with them, but you certainly don't trust them. It'd be different if this all crashing down on him caused him to re-evaluate, but I see no evidence of that. It would appear that in asking Vic to be anything but a corrupt cop, you might as well give him the option to stop breathing -- it's there, but he isn't likely to take it. Give him even more power and ability to abuse a badge? I'm going to have to pass on that one. They may do it, and it may make good TV (even for me), but it's not something I like. Vic needs some time to truly live with what he's done if there's any hope for him. He killed his partner for crying out loud. Cold Blooded Murder. Let's not let his charm and our admiration for some of what he accomplishes cause us to overlook who we're talking about here.
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post #132 of 257
11/7/08 at 4:50am

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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
I'm thinking Lupus will rear its ugly head at a crucial time for Claudette.

Maybe Dr. House can roll in in a fantastic crossover finale..because yu know it's ALWAYS Lupus! Or Vasculitis..or Cancer...
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post #133 of 257
11/7/08 at 6:35am

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Originally Posted by PhilipG
Well, I've been thinkin' about what makes this show so great. I concluded that it's because it gives every main character (with the exception of poor old Lem) a fair shake. A standard cop show would try to make Vic likeable, while making everyone else who was not "for him" a complete bastard or a bitch. With The Shield, every one of the main characters is sympathetic (to me, at least). So, I cheer for Aceveda when he beats up that guy. I cheer for Claudette and Dutch, out to get Vic. I cheer for Shane and Mara, two people who really care about each other and their family, as they try to escape. I cheer for Corrine, trying to break free from her corrupt husband. And I want Vic and Ronnie to join ICE, and keep putting bad guys away in their own inimitable ways.

So, with that in mind, maybe Shawn Ryan will craft a way for everyone to win...
Wow...I couldn't disagree more. I get what you're saying about the main characters getting a fair shake, but I don't know how anyone can be sympathetic to Vic at this point. Maybe Shane a little bit (since Vic is probably a big reason for his corruption). But Vic is a scumbag in every sense of the word and rotting in a prison cell for the rest of his life isn't enough punishment for him.

I will be MAJORLY pissed off if Vic or Shane end up getting out of this unscathed. Ronnie I could handle, and that wouldn't even surprise me (I could see him making a deal).
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post #134 of 257
11/7/08 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by ScottH
Maybe Shane a little bit (since Vic is probably a big reason for his corruption).
Shane killed Lem. Vic killed Terry who was trying to bring him down so Vic, at least, had a reason (but that doesn't make it OK). Vic had a chance to have Shane killed and tried to call it off so he's shown that he won't kill his friends (even the one who have killed his other friends). Shane was just a coward who thought that Lem might snitch.

Of course, both characters belong in prison but I'll take Vic over Shane any day of the week.
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post #135 of 257
11/7/08 at 10:07am

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Originally Posted by PhilipG
Well, I've been thinkin' about what makes this show so great. I concluded that it's because it gives every main character (with the exception of poor old Lem) a fair shake.

Unlike some other folks here, I would completely agree with this. Almost every main character has good and bad sides, and feels justified and/or regretful about their past sins (like most people would). This is one of the reasons I'm having a difficult time getting into old episodes of "Homicide" as I go back and try to catch up on that show. All the cops are basically model citizens besides a minor drinking problem or a bad temper or whatnot. "The Shield" is a bit more like "Oz" in that you end up rooting for characters that have done some horrible things (though in that case at least half the prisoners were straight up bad guys). Question: For those who have seen "The Wire", is it similar in this regard? I'm looking forward to seeing the show when "The Shield" finally ends.

But I do agree that there's no way this turns out well for everyone in the end. As much as I love Shane, I can't see him making it out of the last episode alive. And I've got to think Vic ends up in jail. Sort of a full circle if he ends up going to jail for killing a (former) cop, eh?
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post #136 of 257
11/7/08 at 10:38am

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Shane killed Lem. Vic killed Terry who was trying to bring him down so Vic, at least, had a reason (but that doesn't make it OK). Vic had a chance to have Shane killed and tried to call it off so he's shown that he won't kill his friends (even the one who have killed his other friends). Shane was just a coward who thought that Lem might snitch.

Of course, both characters belong in prison but I'll take Vic over Shane any day of the week.
Very true...Shane killing Lem is probably the worst thing any of the guys did...but I guess I have more sympathy for Shane only because part of me thinks Shane wouldn't have done any of the really bad things he did if it wasn't for Vic. Even Vic admitted that when tried to call off Shane's execution. But I still have NO sympathy for either of them.
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post #137 of 257
11/7/08 at 10:42am

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Originally Posted by Brian.L
Unlike some other folks here, I would completely agree with this. Almost every main character has good and bad sides, and feels justified and/or regretful about their past sins (like most people would). This is one of the reasons I'm having a difficult time getting into old episodes of "Homicide" as I go back and try to catch up on that show. All the cops are basically model citizens besides a minor drinking problem or a bad temper or whatnot. "The Shield" is a bit more like "Oz" in that you end up rooting for characters that have done some horrible things (though in that case at least half the prisoners were straight up bad guys). Question: For those who have seen "The Wire", is it similar in this regard? I'm looking forward to seeing the show when "The Shield" finally ends.
I'd say 'The Wire' is similar in that regard, but in that sense 'The Wire' is better than 'The Shield' because the characters (and pretty much everything else about it) are just so much more REAL. The characters in The Wire aren't model citizens, but they're also not nearly as corrupt as Vic & Shane.
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post #138 of 257
11/7/08 at 11:01am

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Question: For those who have seen "The Wire", is it similar in this regard? I'm looking forward to seeing the show when "The Shield" finally ends.

The Wire was an amazing show, very different in style from The Shield. I would say that, with regard to your question, to *some* extent The Shield trumps it, as pretty-much-all the higher-ups on The Wire's Force are portrayed as lazy or (politically) corrupt. On the other hand, The Wire trumps The Shield in giving us inside perspectives on the ordinary people and the gangs. There are more than a few really great villains who you'll root for on The Wire.
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post #139 of 257
11/8/08 at 10:18am

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I don't know how this is going to end. I can see person A kiling person B etc etc etc.. I can see person A going to prison and person B cutting a deal. I can see them all running south of the border.

Going to miss this show when it is over, but I hope it doesn't leave us with a bad taste in our mouths when it is finally all over.
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post #140 of 257
11/8/08 at 10:55am

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Something I was recently discussing with someone about this show. If any of them were to cut a deal, would the confession alone be enough to convict any of them? I mean, do any of them have any evidence of any of the stuff they did? And at this point anything any of them say could just be taken as personal revenge since everyone knows Shane tried to have Ronnie and Vic killed.
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post #141 of 257
11/11/08 at 9:30pm

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Can't believe just 2 episodes left.

I totally got a "Raising Arizona" vibe when Cleetus had to get Mara to open the safe for him. The cleaning lady asking to hold Jackson just slayed me.

Vic was too lucky in Beltran's insistence on keeping the "chain of evidence" for the earnest money. Of course, Ronnie is definitely in Claudette's crosshairs.
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post #142 of 257
11/13/08 at 1:18pm

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Originally Posted by ScottH
Something I was recently discussing with someone about this show. If any of them were to cut a deal, would the confession alone be enough to convict any of them? I mean, do any of them have any evidence of any of the stuff they did? And at this point anything any of them say could just be taken as personal revenge since everyone knows Shane tried to have Ronnie and Vic killed.

Don't forget all the evidence that Forrest gathered on them. I would think a confession would be the cherry at the top on that case.

In fact, Claudette is blind and stupid not to just take Ronnie in right now. Make him roll on Vic using the current charges against him.
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post #143 of 257
11/13/08 at 1:36pm

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Don't forget all the evidence that Forrest gathered on them. I would think a confession would be the cherry at the top on that case.
I don't remember the details but didn't Kavanaugh go to prison (or at least get thrown off the force) for planting evidence against Vic? I would think that would pretty much strike from the record anything he came up with prior to that.
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post #144 of 257
11/13/08 at 4:43pm
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^ Yeah, Kavanuagh was caught dead to rights planting evidence so anything he touched or investigated would probably be worthless.
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post #145 of 257
11/13/08 at 11:59pm

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In fact, Claudette is blind and stupid not to just take Ronnie in right now. Make him roll on Vic using the current charges against him.
And then what? Vic is a civilian now, she doesn't know his whereabouts. By the time you got a confession out of Ronnie, Vic would be long gone. They are having a hard enough time catching Shane as it is, there is no reason to believe that Vic would be any easier to locate.

As for Ronnie rolling on Vic, think about all the elaborate schemes that Vic has pulled over the years, including with Kavanaugh, who got this close. You just don't know how deep Vic's corrupting influence in the force goes. You don't know who owes him favors and such. Claudette does not want to tip her hand till she has him in the bag. Nothing but hard evidence against him would be worth the trouble.

Now, what possible motivation would Shane have to NOT make good on this threat with that envelope? The prank was cute, but makes no sense. Why hold back at this point against literally mortal enemies (if they've yet to kill one another, it's not for lack of trying; the gloves have been completely off for a number of episodes now) ?

I am completely confused as to the custody of the blackmail box. And I thought home girl's file was removed some episodes ago by Aceveda. Or was it Vic. Ah well.

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H
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post #146 of 257
11/14/08 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by Holadem
Now, what possible motivation would Shane have to NOT make good on this threat with that envelope?
Besides keeping Ronnie busy and scared, I figured Shane didn't want to implicate himself in the Terry Crowley murder or the money train, etc. If Shane implicates Vic in those crimes, he's shining a spotlight on stuff that he was involved with too (it would be a tough sell to say that he knew but didn't participate). If Shane does get caught, he might be able to testify against Vic and get a lighter sentence and if he sends a confession to Claudette, he gave away info for free.
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post #147 of 257
11/15/08 at 5:48pm

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I just can't see Dutch NOT being killed by that kid he swears is a future serial killer. If not killed, at least maimed severely.
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post #148 of 257
11/16/08 at 1:50am

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As I keep emphasizing, this has been one of the most remarkable
shows on television. Not one season was a dud. Not one! These
past few weeks have been riveting to watch, and I look forward to
the 2-hour prelude to the finale.
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post #149 of 257
11/16/08 at 9:05am

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
As I keep emphasizing, this has been one of the most remarkable
shows on television. Not one season was a dud. Not one! These
past few weeks have been riveting to watch, and I look forward to
the 2-hour prelude to the finale.

The next episode is 2 hours? Speaking of which, how long is the finale itself?
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post #150 of 257
11/16/08 at 9:42am

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Hopefully five hours...
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