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post #31 of 413
8/23/08 at 3:45pm

Re: Superman Rebooted

I like the idea of doing a reboot, and I hope that means they skip all the Donner stuff true. Frankly, none of the Superman movies have been all that great. If Miller is doing this, and has actually been a fan since he was a kid, I can't see him going the dark brooding route.

That said, all I ask for is a Superman movie where he actually has to throw down against an actual powerful super villain like in the Bruce Timm cartoon. Still the best representation of the character... and most comic books really.
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post #32 of 413
8/23/08 at 3:58pm

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...and no more Lex Luthor either, Supes arch foe has appeared in 4 of the 5 Superman movies, enough already.
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post #33 of 413
8/23/08 at 4:43pm

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I'm glad they're rebooting. Donner's Superman was great (Superman II, even the Donner Cut wasn't that good) and while I think Superman Returns isn't as bad as most say (it's probably as underrated as the Director's Cut of Daredevil), I think Superman should be different from Donner's take of the character for once. And please, leave Lex Luthor out of this. He was in four of five Supes movies, and that's a bit of overkill.
But hey, I'm glad to see Warner and DC finally announcing some other films than Superman and Batman. Can't wait for Green Lantern and the Justice League movie. These are great days for a comic book fan.
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post #34 of 413
8/23/08 at 4:46pm

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Well, wb needs to pull its head out of its rear, Big Blue is sunny, not dark, if they want to go dark with it then they need to start bringing in Darksied to the story line, in that he is god like
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post #35 of 413
8/23/08 at 5:21pm

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I doubt if they could sell Darkseid to the average audience. I'm a comic reader, and I never really got into any of that. I was disappointed when Granny Goodness and the rest showed up on the Animated Series. It just all has a weird vibe to me. The current growing popularity of Apokolips and the New Gods may show that I'm in the minority, though.
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post #36 of 413
8/23/08 at 5:36pm

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ok so name something else dark, cant do brainic or metallo?
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post #37 of 413
8/23/08 at 6:33pm

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I don't really want it dark, so I don't know. Brainiac or Metallo would both be fine. They won't give up having Lex behind it all, though. They should try it.
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post #38 of 413
8/23/08 at 7:30pm

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I'm of the opinion that the movie won't end up being as dark as most fear. I think it'll have an edge to it, but won't go nearly as dark as TDK. I think tonally it'll be more akin to "Iron Man". I'm hoping that many are taking Robinov's words too literally. Batman is supposed to be dark. His brooding tone would only work with a handful of DC's bigger heroic characters (i.e. Swamp Thing, Jonah Hex, etc.).
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post #39 of 413
8/23/08 at 8:16pm

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
I don't really want it dark, so I don't know. Brainiac or Metallo would both be fine. They won't give up having Lex behind it all, though. They should try it.
I don't even want the name Lex Luthor mentioned.
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post #40 of 413
8/23/08 at 8:28pm

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Originally Posted by TerryRL
Counting all the stops and starts (Burton's version, Ratner's version, McG's version, the money spent on sets, FX, Nicolas Cage's pay-or-play deal, etc.) with Singer's production, WB spent well over $500 million to get to "Superman Returns".

Severing ties with Singer and Spacey will cost them though. Both already have deals for the sequel that pays them whether or not they do the movie. Much like what happened with Cage, Burton, Ratner, and McG (not to mention all the writers that got substantial salaries for the various scripts turned in). After all these years, it is still a very expensive struggle to get a Superman to the big screen.
Maybe Warner should just pack it in and abandon the Superman franchise. They seem to be spending hundreds of millions of dollars just to spin their wheels. $500 million to get from Superman IV to SR, now hundreds of millions more to pay-off Singer and Spacey, plus bankrolling another reboot? If I were a stockholder, I'd be screaming for somebody to stop the bleeding already.

I have no love for SR, but I think it's a huge mistake if they try to do yet another origin-type story. Just make a Superman action-adventure for crying out loud! The character is popular enough that anyone who cares already knows the origin of the story. Just drop us into the middle of a superhero extravaganza without all the maudlin, dramatic fluff.
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post #41 of 413
8/23/08 at 8:28pm

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Originally Posted by TerryRL
I'm hoping that many are taking Robinov's words too literally.
That's what I'm hoping too. I know everyone always wants to say that studio execs are all idiots but it doesn't take much brain power to tell that the tone of Nolan's Batman movies is not right for a Superman movie.

And like Greg, I think Lex Luther will be the bad guy... again since it's an origin story... again.
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post #42 of 413
8/23/08 at 8:41pm

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While Luthor will be used because it's an origin story, but I bet another major villain (ala Brainiac, Bizarro, Darkseid, Doomsday, or Metallo) will be used along with Lex. As for the money spent, TDK's massive run (on top of WB's stellar year thus far) has bought them a lot of freedom to pursue their next batch of superhero projects.
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post #43 of 413
8/23/08 at 9:04pm

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Originally Posted by Malcolm R
I have no love for SR, but I think it's a huge mistake if they try to do yet another origin-type story. Just make a Superman action-adventure for crying out loud! The character is popular enough that anyone who cares already knows the origin of the story. Just drop us into the middle of a superhero extravaganza without all the maudlin, dramatic fluff.

This is why I think the suits are idiots. There's nothing stopping them from doing a balls out action adventure as a sequel to SR! SR was nothing more than a bridge from the Donner films to a new set of films. SR closed out the thread started in the Donner films (while ignoring the weaker sequels), and left it nearly wide open for the next set of films. Not sure why the suits think this is a problem. Singer's even been quoted as saying he wants to take it a different direction in the next film. The guy's proven he can direct the action stuff (see X2).
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post #44 of 413
8/23/08 at 9:39pm

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I'm pissed about this and quite taken aback by it.

I liked Superman Returns and I really grew to love Brandon Routh as Supes and now Warner is going off half-cocked because they're still riding their The Dark Knight high.

SUPERMAN ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DARK!!!! Why is that so difficult to understand?
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post #45 of 413
8/23/08 at 9:42pm

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This is ridiculous; it's like if they got rid of Nolan and decided to go with a different direction for the Batman sequel just because it made only around $200 million. Superman Returns made pretty much the same amount.

~T
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post #46 of 413
8/23/08 at 9:49pm

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Did Warners actually say they wanted Superman to be dark, or just some guys in this thread? There's a difference between having a serious kick ass Superman, and a brooding Superman, I'm guessing they are going to go with the former, basically getting rid of the whimsical tone that Donner started.
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post #47 of 413
8/23/08 at 9:52pm

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It's because of this paragraph from a Wall Street Journal article:

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Like the recent Batman sequel -- which has become the highest-grossing film of the year thus far -- Mr. Robinov wants his next pack of superhero movies to be bathed in the same brooding tone as "The Dark Knight." Creatively, he sees exploring the evil side to characters as the key to unlocking some of Warner Bros.' DC properties. "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it," he says. That goes for the company's Superman franchise as well.
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post #48 of 413
8/23/08 at 10:03pm

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
It's because of this paragraph from a Wall Street Journal article:

I don't think it's cause to think they are going to go all out dark. based on this:

""We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it,"

Doesnèt mean Supes is going to be brooding all through a film, it could mean he gets super pissed off and actually shows emotion, like he has in the comics for about 40 years.
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post #49 of 413
8/23/08 at 10:56pm

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Indeed, while that paragraph in the article initially alarmed me, reading it again it's really not that bad. He says "dark to the extent the characters ALLOW it", and then it's the ARTICLE that ties that to Superman, not Robinov himself. What I took away from this is that they're looking for a harder-edged take on the character, maybe more psychological and subjective, but not literally brooding and/or gritty like Batman. Basically, I think they're looking for somebody with a strong understanding of the character, who has a clear idea what direction they want to take a new franchise.

IF that perception is correct, I am definitely supportive. I though 'Returns' was a near-total failure which tried to do its own confused thing with the character while hijacking the style and exposition of the Donner films (which I love) so they could spare themselves the really hard work of re-establishing him. The fact that Singer seemed so vague in interviews about his plans for the sequel only cemented this for me. But if they've now got some passionate filmmakers willing to roll up their sleeves rebuild this character and his world from the ground up, I'll go see what they come up with.
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post #50 of 413
8/23/08 at 11:31pm

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My thing is, Superman can't be dark. He fights against that. You don't bring Superman down to a human level. He's larger than life and above us all. That's what makes him work, the fantasy of him. His god like abilities. In a sense, he's a savior given to us for our most dire times from his own father. I don't want to get to deep here, but, you don't humble him. More so, people should be humbled by him, because of his example to always do what's right and regard no one life as any more important than another. This was on display even in SR. When Supes went to save Lois and saw the fault line heading the other way he turned right around and saved Metropolis and it's people first. As far as dark goes, watching Luthor shank Superman and let him fall off the edge of the new Krypton was pretty damn dark. That scene got to me and I didn't like watching as he was brought down by Lex, who acted like nothing more than a petty thug. That's not Superman and demonstrates why "dark" doesn't work in that world. Lex would have developed something way more ellaborate than that crap death. Watching doctors try to insert needles into his arms was another head shaker. Let's see, bullets bounce off him but a hypo should go right in. Who wrote this shit! If you want dark, wait for Batman III. I want a Superman movie. Not a Superman does his best immitation of Batman movie. Nuff Said.
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post #51 of 413
8/24/08 at 2:13am

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A reboot doesn't mean the entire Krypton sequence/Lex Luthor has to be done again. They didn't show Bruce's transformation all over again in The Incredible Hulk, and they don't have to do it here. Everybody knows the origin of Superman anyway.
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post #52 of 413
8/24/08 at 4:55am

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Well, I think this is terrible news. I also think many readers have overblown it. It does not say Roth would be replaced, nor does it say Singer would be replaced. Why can't the movie go in a different direction, or have a different tone, with the same man in the suit or behind the camera?

If this ends up being a Michael Bay film or even a Michael Bay-like film, I will skip it.
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post #53 of 413
8/24/08 at 6:27am

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Originally Posted by Brian Borst
A reboot doesn't mean the entire Krypton sequence/Lex Luthor has to be done again. They didn't show Bruce's transformation all over again in The Incredible Hulk, and they don't have to do it here. Everybody knows the origin of Superman anyway.

For sure.. this doesn't mean we're going to get the origin again. All it says is "reintroduce" Superman. To me that sounds like a new take.. not another origin film. At the very most we may see quick flashes of his past.
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post #54 of 413
8/24/08 at 7:43am

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Booooooooo
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post #55 of 413
8/24/08 at 8:25am

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Awesome news.

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I love Williams score. It is about as perfect a film score as I've ever heard, whether supporting the images on screen or just existing all by itself.
However I dearly hope the next Superman film doesn't use any part of it including the march. Can we please just let that vision of the character remain a complete entity unto itself and let the early 21st century make its own contributions to the characters mythos?
A-friggin-men. I've been ready to move on glad, glad WB finally appears ready to cut the umbilical aswell.

Let's give an entirely new vision of the character a chance.

Yay!

--
H
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post #56 of 413
8/24/08 at 8:47am

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I think Lex [Luthor] will be the bad guy... again since it's an origin story... again.

What does Lex Luthor have to do with Superman's origin? Its not as if he was the one that blew up Krypton.
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post #57 of 413
8/24/08 at 10:36am

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SR works on some very good levels, as an homage to donners film, but really it is a newer take, and i liked spacey and routh in there roles, now the deal on the sequal that he has, does it need to be a direct sequal, or another movie after the next one, hell want to have funn with the next movie get gilbert godfrie to play Mxyzptlk
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post #58 of 413
8/24/08 at 10:36am

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Originally Posted by Jeff Jacobson
What does Lex Luthor have to do with Superman's origin? Its not as if he was the one that blew up Krypton.
I meant that he's the main Superman villain so if they're going to tell his origin again, they'll probably also have his main enemy in it. Like others have said, I think there could be a villain team up but I would count on Lex Luthor being part of the movie.

No, the first Nolan Batman movie didn't have the Joker in it but Batman has a bigger and better assortment of villains to choose from than Superman.
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post #59 of 413
8/24/08 at 10:53am

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If they drop the crazy mad scientist Luthor and go with evil businessman Luthor, then I'm all for it. Otherwise, forget about him.
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post #60 of 413
8/24/08 at 11:48am

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Originally Posted by Jeff Jacobson
What does Lex Luthor have to do with Superman's origin? Its not as if he was the one that blew up Krypton.

He blames Superboy for the lab explosion that caused him to go bald.

From Wiki:
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Luthor's origin reveals that he was once a friend of Superboy, but became his enemy after blaming the superhero for an accident which resulted in his baldness.

Lets hope they put that in a movie. I nearly died laughing when they show'd it on SUPERFRIENDS. Talk about holding a grudge.
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