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post #1381 of 1412
6/12/09 at 5:27am

Re: Lost: Season 5

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
After 5 seasons Babylon 5 concluded with a story that certainly had elements of sadness, but also of hope and a feeling of completion.

For that matter The Lord of the Rings films also ended on a somewhat sad note.

And for that matter, Battlestar Galactica ended the same way.

The biggest problem I have had with Lost over the years is how willing the producers are to kill off major characters (seemingly, every sweeps season!), which cheapens the drama. Most of them died for nothing and didn't serve the story. Shannon? Eko? Even Charlie (it was clear that Charlie could have jumped out that door and closed it in plenty of time). Death is easy drama and I insist that a show as good as Lost work harder.
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post #1382 of 1412
6/12/09 at 6:00am

Re: Lost: Season 5

why do people still talk about other shows and how they ended in this topic.
still waiting for the battlestar complete series to come out to watch it.
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post #1383 of 1412
6/12/09 at 6:22am

Re: Lost: Season 5

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Originally Posted by Sam Favate
Even Charlie (it was clear that Charlie could have jumped out that door and closed it in plenty of time).
His initial reaction was to close the door to save Desmond who was running towards the room. If he had had time to think about it than he would have gotten out.

Boone, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Charlie, Locke, Faraday and Juliet's deaths all put things in motion for the end of the end of that season, the next season or, in the case of Charlie and Locke, the rest of the series.

As for character deaths always happening during sweeps, that's just the nature of television. You wouldn't have Charlie drown 1/3 of the way through the season and then have a season finale where Hurley finds a hippie van.
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post #1384 of 1412
6/12/09 at 8:25am

Re: Lost: Season 5

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why do people still talk about other shows and how they ended in this topic.

How is knowing a tiny bit about the tone of an episode a "spoiler"? I very deliberately did not post details that would be real spoilers in my description of the B5 finale, and all Sam did was say, "BSG's was like that." (And B5 ended 10 years ago, so I think I erred on the side of caution.)

You've already been exposed to more information than that in the previous "spoilers" and anyone who hasn't literally been living in a cave has probably picked up more than Sam "spoiled" through sheer "webmosis". I didn't even watch the show or ever seek out information about it and I keep tripping over references to it in the most unexpected places. I really think there is a limit (including a time limit) to what does and does not constitute a spoiler.

Regards,

Joe
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post #1385 of 1412
6/12/09 at 9:37am

Re: Lost: Season 5

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Originally Posted by TonyD
why do people still talk about other shows and how they ended in this topic.
still waiting for the battlestar complete series to come out to watch it.

Oh come on, saying a show's ending had "elements of sadness" is not a spoiler. That phrase could mean anything to anyone. The ending of The Next Generation had "elements of sadness" because it was the last time we'd see these characters on TV! You'd be hard pressed to find any television finale that did not pull on the audience's heartstrings a bit. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but this hypersensitivity to perceived spoilers is out of hand.
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post #1386 of 1412
6/12/09 at 9:47am

Re: Lost: Season 5

You know what? I'm with TonyD on this one. I have every intention of checking out Battlestar Galactica when the complete DVD set comes out, and thus far I know absolutely nothing about the show, and that's not by accident. It seems we're not alone in this, and just speaking for myself, I think it would be pretty cool to read through a Lost thread (or a thread for any other current show) without having to worry about an unrelated show being spoiled for me. What might be considered "obvious" and "non-spoiler" to a fan of Battlestar could still be a spoiler for those who have never seen the show at all and have avoided such things to this point. For example, you could say that a main character dies at the end of Battlestar (I have no idea, I haven't seen a single episode) and you might not consider that to be a spoiler, but for me I would consider it one because I'd start watching the show and from the very first episode I'd have it in the back of my head that someone was a goner and whether or not I wanted to, I'd be thinking about it. What might be an offhand comment for some people could end up negatively influencing the viewing experience for another.

Another quick example about this and then I'll shut the heck up... it took me until a couple weeks after the season finale of Lost this year to catch up, I had been a few episodes behind... and it really wasn't cool that the day after the finale aired, when I went into work and just opened up my web browser, the top headline on the Yahoo homepage was "Major LOST character dies in shocking finale". Sure, it didn't tell me who, but it really does get in the way of the drama if you're expecting it. Not only that, but I'm not convinced they were right either... we don't know for an absolute fact that Juliet is dead, and as for Locke being dead, well, they kinda gave that one away at the beginning of the season. Jin was supposed to be dead too if you believed the S4 finale, and it didn't quite work out that way in the end... but it's an unwelcome distraction to have to dodge all of these spoilers.

Put it this way... if you're writing a sentence that has the words "the tone of the ending to Battlestar" in it, it probably shouldn't be here -- talking about the ending, whether giving away specifics or not, is not something I want to read, and unfortunately by the time I realize what I'm reading in a post, it's too late to skip that line.
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post #1387 of 1412
6/12/09 at 9:51am

Re: Lost: Season 5

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For that matter The Lord of the Rings films also ended on a somewhat sad note. Frodo has saved the Shire, but at a price. He could not live there himself and stay with the friends he loved. Or try Terminator 2, Gladiatorand Return of the Jedi, all of which end in victory tempered by sacrifice and loss.


Damn you, thanks for ruining all of those =)

While I think intentionally ruining a show for someone is obviously bad, there has to be some common knowledge beforehand on shows especially if it created (watercooler talk) where references are bound to happen.

As for Lost deaths, I'm cool on whoever and whenever they kill *anyone* as long as it serves a purpose. If the death matters and is a result of something that makes sense or leads to greater things down the line or if it greatly affects those around. I hate cheap deaths.

I think my biggest death complaint so far has been Shannon. I did not buy how all of a sudden she was the love of Sayid.

-Ray
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post #1388 of 1412
6/12/09 at 12:04pm

Re: Lost: Season 5

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Originally Posted by Josh Steinberg
...when I went into work and just opened up my web browser, the top headline on the Yahoo homepage was "Major LOST character dies in shocking finale".
If it makes you feel any better, I saw the same basic headline in the Yahoo TV section a few months back. I didn't read the story (I assume it was about Faraday's death) but for at least a month and a half, I knew one of the main cast members was going to buy it. It wasn't like the episode had aired and I was behind or I was looking for spoilers but I guess Yahoo just thinks that everyone wants to read a spoiler on the computer rather see it in context of a fully finished episode as intended.

And for what it's worth, I don't think Sam's post really spoils anything about the end of BSG.
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post #1389 of 1412
6/12/09 at 1:14pm

Re: Lost: Season 5

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I'm with TonyD on this one. I have every intention of checking out Battlestar Galactica when the complete DVD set comes out, and thus far I know absolutely nothing about the show, and that's not by accident.

You know what? If you choose to wait until a complete DVD set of a series is released months or possibly years after the series is off the air, you assume the risk of possibly being spoiled. The rest of the world is not obligated to shield you from any possible knowledge - especially if the show is a water cooler show or a becomes a pop culture item that is apt to be referenced in any number of contexts. You had the opportunity of picking up the series at any point in its run and watching it through to the conclusion. You decided to go another way and have to live with the consequences of your choice. It isn't anybody is giving away details of the finale hours before it aired on the west coast or days before it aired in a particular country. It aired months ago. I can see objections to specific plot details, but not to such harmless and general comments as those in the past few threads.

Maybe the mods should draw up a list of other arc-based, genre shows that we're forbidden to allude to in a discussion thread about Lost, an arc-based, genre show where such allusions just be, I don't know, germane to the conversation. Just so we all know what's allowed and what isn't going forward.

Regards,

Joe
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post #1390 of 1412
6/12/09 at 4:28pm

Re: Lost: Season 5

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
You know what? If you choose to wait until a complete DVD set of a series is released months or possibly years after the series is off the air, you assume the risk of possibly being spoiled. The rest of the world is not obligated to shield you from any possible knowledge - especially if the show is a water cooler show or a becomes a pop culture item that is apt to be referenced in any number of contexts. You had the opportunity of picking up the series at any point in its run and watching it through to the conclusion. You decided to go another way and have to live with the consequences of your choice. It isn't anybody is giving away details of the finale hours before it aired on the west coast or days before it aired in a particular country. It aired months ago. I can see objections to specific plot details, but not to such harmless and general comments as those in the past few threads.

Maybe the mods should draw up a list of other arc-based, genre shows that we're forbidden to allude to in a discussion thread about Lost, an arc-based, genre show where such allusions just be, I don't know, germane to the conversation. Just so we all know what's allowed and what isn't going forward.

Regards,

Joe
how about common courtesy, put mentions of other shows in spoilers.

It has nothing to do with choosing.
My cable plan didn't include sci-fi so i never watched it, also
why should i have to worry about coming into a topic on Lost
and HOPE no one says anything about what is going on in another show.

"Just so we all know what's allowed and what isn't going forward. "

How about common sense plus it's just plain rude to do it if someone asks you not to.
anyway whats the point of saying, "oh yea Battlestar ended that way too."
so what, it doesn't add anything to a topic on Lost.

If I want to know whats going on with Battlestar I'll go over to that topic and see what's being said.
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post #1391 of 1412
6/13/09 at 3:54am

Re: Lost: Season 5

The irony is we're talking about a spoiler for Lost that isn't really a spoiler for the reasons cited, and people are complaining because a parallel "spoiler" for other shows has been given to prove the fact, when those aren't spoilers either! Last episodes are always sad. The End.

btw...
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
mentioning another series in a spoiler is just as bad, if no hint for the series is given outside the spoiler. But how do you warn people what the spoiler is about without revealing the series? It could be a lame-ass opinion spoiler like this one, or it could give away the ending of something. btw, Darth Vader is ....'s father.
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post #1392 of 1412
6/13/09 at 5:01am

Re: Lost: Season 5

To address PhilipG's question, you do it like this...

Star Wars spoiler
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Darth Vader is ....'s father


Or even like this

Minor Star Wars spoiler
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Sometimes you just have to go along for the ride and ignore the things the characters ignore. For instance, it's amazing how in Star Wars, the empire doesn't take notice of Ben Kenobi and that Obi-Wan Kenobi is able to hide in seclusion just by assuming a different first name.


Personally, it's exactly what I'd try to remember to do, not because it's my responsibility to, but just because it's a little thing I can do to possibly preserve someone else's enjoyment. Of course, I might make a mistake and not realize something is considered a spoiler, or just be tired and forget to do it, in which case you'll get a "my bad" out of me and hopefully we can both move on.

Sad endings don't bother me. We'd like to think some of the people we know will achieve something good, but even a completely sad ending such as everyone on the island perishing and the island disappearing forever would only bother me just so much because the outside world is still there. Losing the rest of the folks on the island wouldn't sadden me significantly more than losing people like Mr. Ecko. In that sense, it's TV death.

I'm still watching the show enjoying the ride. I'm not overly in a hurry to get to the destination, and whatever the destination at this point, I doubt I'll feel robbed.
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post #1393 of 1412
6/13/09 at 7:31am

Re: Lost: Season 5

Wow, after reading Ron's post about next season yesterday, I was thinking about how the Lost creators could end this series with making the viewers both sad and satisfied on any character/story resolution. I came on the site today to read all of these negative comments about spoiling the ending of Lost and the endings of other series.

What struck me as odd was that Ron, the OWNER of HTF posted this info! I'm sure he is aware of spoilers and how not to ruin the surprise for any faithful viewers. Talking about the mood of the series ending is not a spoiler, whether it is happy, sad, thought provoking or otherwise, and Ron did not say anything that was spoiler worthy. I read his post and thought that that is what I hope the Lost finale is like. Let it not be disappointing like some other series finales in the past.

I think that most series creators would want their endings to be remembered as "very satisfying and cathartic and redemptive and beautiful", as Matthew Fox put it.

The ending of Six Feet Under is my current benchmark for a series ending, and the above Fox quote could be used to describe that as well. Hope I didn't spoil anything there......

--John
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post #1394 of 1412
6/13/09 at 10:48am

Re: Lost: Season 5

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Originally Posted by John Swarce
Talking about the mood of the series ending is not a spoiler, whether it is happy, sad, thought provoking or otherwise, and Ron did not say anything that was spoiler worthy.
In the interviews that I've read with Matthew Fox, I get the feeling that he likes people to think that he knows more than he actually does. Obviously, he's a trusted member of the team and knows some general info about where the show is going but if they keep the season finales secret from everyone almost up to the point of shooting, why would they tell him the ending of the series?
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post #1395 of 1412
6/13/09 at 11:17pm

Re: Lost: Season 5

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To address PhilipG's question, you do it like this...

That's good, but consider this:


Lots of movies have great twist endings...
spoiler for The Sixth Sense
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Some might consider that tag a spoiler because of the context. Why would I label The Sixth Sense if it didn't have a twist ending? Now people who know nothing about the film are going to be looking out to guess the twist ending, which may lessen their enjoyment... That's the dilemma I was trying to allude to in my previous post!
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post #1396 of 1412
6/14/09 at 9:21am

Re: Lost: Season 5

I follow, which is exactly why I do it my way.

Anyway, onwards and upwards...
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post #1397 of 1412
6/15/09 at 1:16pm

Re: Lost: Season 5

that's why i always proclaim, "everyone dies in the end" but it never comes true .
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post #1398 of 1412
6/17/09 at 7:06am

Re: Lost: Season 5

wow, an entire page of people whining about their lost tv-show innocence. Some here need to seriously grow up. Personally, I never even cared to see Empire until I heard that Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
DV was Lukes father
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post #1399 of 1412
6/17/09 at 7:20am

Re: Lost: Season 5

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Originally Posted by rvanward
wow, an entire page of people whining about their lost tv-show innocence. Some here need to seriously grow up.
I think part of being a grown up is accepting that there's other points of view in the world from yours. In other words, just because you want to know that Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Darth Vader is Luke's father
before seeing the movie, not everyone wants to ruin a story by knowing that kind of thing.
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post #1400 of 1412
8/21/09 at 8:35am
Rather than starting the season 6 thread this early, I'll just bump this thread.

Has anyone been following the series of LOST webisodes on ABC's website?  They are pieces of an episode of a ABC show "Mysteries of the Universe" (think Unsolved Mysteries) about the Dharma Initiative.  Two pieces have aired so far, with three to go (one a month until November).  The production value is great, and they are pretty interesting.  Of course, there are even a few easter eggs, and perhaps even clues in them.

Here are the links:

part 1: http://beta.abc.go.com/shows/lost/lost-mysteries/ThemeGallery/276307?playlistId=225479
part 2: http://beta.abc.go.com/shows/lost/lost-mysteries/ThemeGallery/276311?playlistId=225480
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post #1401 of 1412
8/21/09 at 11:25am
I'm sure it was intentional, but anyone notice the voiceover guy sounded a bit like Rod Serling?

Also, yeah, the fake 70s/80s video stuff is done great lol.
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post #1402 of 1412
8/21/09 at 12:00pm
Eventhough it's before my time, they have a very In Search Of... (which was Unsolved Mysteries before there was Unsolved Mysteries) vibe to them.
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post #1403 of 1412
8/22/09 at 2:45pm
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Eventhough it's before my time, they have a very In Search Of... (which was Unsolved Mysteries before there was Unsolved Mysteries) vibe to them.

You know what Homer says: "Don't show 'em til you solve 'em!"
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post #1404 of 1412
4/3/10 at 9:30pm
After watching the Disc One recap, we watched the first three episodes from season five.  I will comment more on these at a later time, but suffice it to say that if there was any doubt whether we had crossed over to the sci-fi genre in earnest before this, there certainly isn't any longer. :)
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post #1405 of 1412
4/4/10 at 4:13pm
We watched four more episodes today. We’re up to The Life and Death of Jeremy Benthem. The series is moving along quite nicely. The meeting between Jin and Danielle was fun, as were several of the time-shifts. I like how (in 816) the parties came together to be on the return flight. Line of the day: “We’re not going to Guam” (Frank Lapiduss). That was one of the funniest things I’ve heard on Lost in a long time. And how about how relaxed the Oceanic 6 (or actually, Oceanic 5) were when the plane hit turbulence? The stewardesses were quite a bit more frightened than any of the six, and for good reason since they knew beforehand that they were going to survive.
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post #1406 of 1412
4/4/10 at 4:48pm
I remember being surprised at how quickly they went back the Island in S4. I was certain that it would take the entire season, and that the big question of the season would be whether and how they got back to the Island (the return, if one, would naturally occur in the finale.)

I suspect that had they not committed to an end date, S4 would have unfolded that way. None of this should be taken to mean that I have problem with S4.

The "Guam" line made me laugh as well. Lapidus rules.

--
H
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post #1407 of 1412
4/4/10 at 9:02pm

^^^

Yeah, it did occur quite fast, didn't it?  I don't really mind too much, as it left a lot of time for some other characters and stories.

BTW, I found The Life and Death of Jeremy Benthem to be somewhat difficult to follow (especially the death of Locke at the hands of Ben).  I'm going to have to watch that one again before moving on to disc three. 

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post #1408 of 1412
4/11/10 at 8:12pm

We're zipping through season five rather quickly.  We've watched LaFleur, Namaste, He's Our You, Whatever Happened, Happened, and Dead Is Dead over the past two evenings.  It was really good to see Alex again.  And Locke wasn't on disc 3 until the final clip of the fourth episode, when he's speaking to Ben.  (Then again, he was dead.)  It was also good to see a bit more of the Temple.

 

During Dead Is Dead, several in our family were trying to figure out if we were really seeing Locke or the MiB as 'Locke.'  When we saw the MiB as 'Alex,' we guessed that we would not see both 'Alex' and 'Locke' simultaneously, which we did not.  (Of course, given what we were formulating, we could have seen 'Alex' and Locke at the same time, but this too didn't occur.)  It doesn't yet prove anything conclusive to our season five mindset, but it does make some things a bit more provocative -- not that Lost needs to be more thought-provoking. ;)

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post #1409 of 1412
4/11/10 at 8:16pm

N/A

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post #1410 of 1412
5/16/10 at 1:37pm

Just finished S5 and , after singing the praises of the show in its entirety at the end of S4, I'm very conflicted about what I just watched and where the material seems to be heading now. Of course, most of you all now know where it's been taken, so I'm still left stumbling in the dark for a little while, offering praise or criticism that I may want to eventually retract.

It's odd but one feeling I have now is that the show seems, for the first time to me, to be spinning its wheels. Which is curious since the season and especially last couple eps were so densely plotted. And there were plenty of elements to the season I enjoyed quite a bit, including the whole 3 years in Dharma-ville. But finding Locke wasn't Locke (which I was able to call a couple eps in), and that there is yet another set of game players here, is pulling the material in a  direction I'm not real excited to see it go.

 

 

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I actually found the Jacob-based flashbacks a bit contrived, and agree with some that it sat too much like how they stuck Nikki and Paolo into scenes after the fact.

My question is, does this mean that the whole Whidmore v Ben thing is just window dressing, having nothing to do with J v Anti-J? Is that now retconned to make room for this alpha conflict? I have my doubts that all of this ends up ending satisfactorily within the 15 or so episodes of the final season.

I actually enjoyed/wasn't bothered by the Nikki and Paolo material, but I agree with regards to all the Jacob stuff here. The Ben vs Whidmore conflict seemed to offer plenty of room to incorporate larger themes and more twists and revelations. The J v. anti-J feels too extraneous, especially since it seems J is introduced to us and dismissed all in one ep. It may be the 'ultimate' conflict in this story's universe, but it's meaningless to me since they aren't characters I'm invested in. Even worse, this plotline took a character I did care about and killed him off to go on this tangent.

I'm sure the creators involved will get all these separate threads to converge for the ultimate resolution, but at this point it sure seems like there is a conscious decision being made to pad this out about 10 more eps than it needed to be.

I dunno, maybe it's good that I'm left a little dissatisfied now so the next three months waiting for the Bd set won't be torture and I can get on with my life.

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