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Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
And not the Movies forum?
That's a sad statement, on a number of levels. M. |
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Originally Posted by Walter Kittel
I love HD-DVD and Bd, but I simply got tired of all of the format war BS and don't post very much these days on the topic of HD media. It kills me that something that delivers such a splendid HT experience, and frankly re-invigorated my HT viewing, is nit-picked all of the time.
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" but I'm glad to see there are others who also feel the same way. I'm hoping that with this conversation we, as a community, will be able to keep the impolite/destructive criticisms in perspective and to a minimum.
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Originally Posted by Cees Alons
I find it suspicious already if someone needs to post a screencap to demonstrate the problem to people who own the movie themselves, or has to give the exact location ("scene 56, at 73 mins, 20 secs, you clearly see the EE above the shoulder of the actor at the left, for three seconds, well two at least!") to make other viewers aware of it. Cees |
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
BTW, just to avoid any confusion, Warner is still interested in
a chat with us at some future date. |
about "The Lost Boys" Blu-ray posted a couple of days ago.
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Originally Posted by Paul Hillenbrand
The Lost Boys looks fantastic!
I'm so pleased this blu-ray disc of this 1987 film looks like film when projected on my 110" screen. I could just sit-back and enjoy the picture. Warner Brothers, what you did here is how it needs to be done! Good Job! Paul P.S. The DDTrue HD sound was great too. |
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Indeed. after watching dark City, a nice surprise.
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Originally Posted by Cees Alons
In my opinion there should also be a (linear) relation between the extent of an error in a released movie and the amount of fuss made about it.
When a rather general problem, say the application of too much DNR, or a wrong aspect ratio, affects a whole movie, I think harsh negative critique is warranted. The studios should even be glad to get problems like that pointed out. If however it's a minimal or rare error (we're all fallible) and only present in one or two scenes we're discussing: it's still an error, alright, but it should hardly or only casually be mentioned, let alone be made into a major glitch, covered by numerous posts and overshadowing any other discussion of the film. ...... Cees |
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Originally Posted by TonyD
can't they just tell the difference between the sky is falling people
and the ones who offer constructive discussion? |
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Originally Posted by TonyD
With the studios not reading the forums anymore that is just too bad.
what is the reason for them to be so sensitive? *** can't they just tell the difference between the sky is falling people and the ones who offer constructive discussion? |
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Originally Posted by RobertR
Hmm, before you said:
So it's gone from you "never hear anything" positive to "mostly" complaints (see my above post for why complaints dominate). |
| Who cares if studio people read or participate in forums? |
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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
I've got a Blu player but not a single disc yet. After reading all the complaints here and elsewhere I'm really happy that I haven't jumped yet.
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
As far as the chats go, you seem to be in the minority as far as how you feel their usefulness to be.
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So we should give respect to where it´s due. These chats that won´t happen "just like that" (and never in some other sites).|
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I am very proud of the fact that this is one of the few forums the studios read regularly. We may be a little more strict here than others, but we would much rather keep our ducks in a row with a level of civility and respect towards the studios than allow free-for-all attacks that result in them turning us aside completely. I know forums out there that some studio people have commented they will not read.
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
That's the problem in a nutshell.
Everyone has a gripe and demands some sort of action. Obvious problems aside, the studios can't seem to please anyone so why should they try. |
But at least one battle had been won.|
Originally Posted by Cassy_w
The problems that have surfaced of late are titanic in proportion. Had this DVNR thing not been addressed it could have become a norm, forever changing how film was presented for home viewing.
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| We have every right to complain about this. Somebody will always act like a jerk, for sure, but most don't. Most of us just want such obvious nonsense stopped. |
| The studios only make matters worse when they deny deny deny and even LIE about these things. |
| Ron, I don't think this is really fair. |
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Originally Posted by Cassy_w
Ron, I don't think this is really fair. The problems that have surfaced of late are titanic in proportion. Had this DVNR thing not been addressed it could have become a norm, forever changing how film was presented for home viewing.
There are countless releases that are messed up that I just passed on without saying anything. But with DVNR and titles like PATTON, EVIL DEAD 2, etc. I simply could not keep my mouth shut. We have every right to complain about this. Somebody will always act like a jerk, for sure, but most don't. Most of us just want such obvious nonsense stopped. The studios only make matters worse when they deny deny deny and even LIE about these things. By the way, complaining about bad releases needs to happen time and time again to correct screwups. I wrote a letter to MGM after they slapped a subtitle track on their anamoprhic LA FEMME NIKITA dvd release (that was long ago) that was nothing more than a word for word transscription of the dubbed track. At first they said it was no big deal. Even in a chat here at HTF! But eventually the pressure built and there was a later release, with a proper subtitle track. Of course, it also was covered in Edge Enhancement. But at least one battle had been won. |
| Ron, I don't think this is really fair. The problems that have surfaced of late are titanic in proportion. Had this DVNR thing not been addressed it could have become a norm, forever changing how film was presented for home viewing. |
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Originally Posted by frankie108
I feel I can express my pleasure for being completely satisfied with PATTON and THE LONGEST DAY without other posters lining up to crucify me.
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
* Studio cooperation within this forum extends to their cooperation outside of it. The studios have been very supportive of HTF and its members at EMA shows and HTF meets. Members are invited out to the studios, given the red carpet treatment, and included in presentations and Q&A sessions that help educate them further on the current status of upcoming DVD and BD releases. As far as the chats go, you seem to be in the minority as far as how you feel their usefulness to be. I can tell you that in the Warner chats, the studio gives exclusives on upcoming titles and takes notes on those that members request. The membership here is responsible for many titles the studio has released over the past few years (Blade Runner, Twilight Zone, Superman II restored) including the upcoming Bowery Boys release. When Peter Staddon was over at Fox, he took a special interest in doing yearly chats with us which resulted in getting out DVD product at the personal request of our membership (Lost in Space, Zardoz, Office Space SE). As far as your criticism to us about the way we demand studio respect in these chats.....what do you expect us to do? Should we invite studio people to these events for the purpose of treating them in a disrespectful manner? You think in doing so that we will ever get these guests to return? I don't quite understand your thought process on that one. Just for the record, we don't squelch the ability for attendees of our chats to express their dissatisfaction with a studio. However, we do require that such complaints are presented in a polite and constructive manner. I am very proud of the fact that this is one of the few forums the studios read regularly. We may be a little more strict here than others, but we would much rather keep our ducks in a row with a level of civility and respect towards the studios than allow free-for-all attacks that result in them turning us aside completely. I know forums out there that some studio people have commented they will not read. In good times and bad, we will do everything we can to continue a healthy relationship with the studios on this forum. Diplomacy here is necessary in assuring that our opinions will still hold worth in the future of these formats. The fact that this forum still maintains an open communication with them really defines the level of integrity behind the membership of this forum. |
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Originally Posted by RobertR
Crucifiction? No. Telling you that despite your "complete satisfaction", all well informed viewers agree those are flawed transfers that could have been and should have been done much better (note the lack of apocalyptic hyperbole)? Yes.
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man;
Well, the marketing folks or their assistants still read the boards, despite the fact that the tech folks from the studios that have the influence and power to make decisions no longer do, or only very rarely............
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man;
Well, since I’m in a revealing mood, let me say that remember way, way back during the first week of June in which I was acting as an emissary for you all …………………..
Blu-ray Forum - View Single Post - "Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man" Shortly thereafter, the respective studio’s techie people reviewed a copy of said title, recognized the less than optimal appearance in terms of the duplication of the original theatrical experience, and decided to place a head honcho from their film preservation dept. to directly Q/A all future Blu-ray catalogue titles from the various post houses that they contract for their work. There was never any *conspiracy or intent for the particular studio involved to scrub out the grain in order to cater to the gamers, grain-haters, JoeSixPack types etc.* which was repeatedly and incessantly proclaimed all over the internut by the “crusaders” with their misguided presumptions and motivations about a studio expressed with their outright libelous statements. The 'problem' had essentialy been solved behind closed doors weeks before and would have been so even without the "crusader" experience....... all that did was piss off the people at 20th Century Fox............ |
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man
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So, for those thinking of taking pen in hand and writing the studio, that no longer be necessary. I have no other information to add...........except to say that if you are interested in renting or buying the title, it should still be a substantial upgrade from the last home media (DVD) version. P.S. Poor Patton must be rolling around in his grave by now. |
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Originally Posted by Pent
which was repeatedly and incessantly proclaimed all over the internut by the “crusaders” with their misguided presumptions and motivations about a studio expressed with their outright libelous statements.
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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
This is a perfect example of the hyperbole we've all been talking about.
I'm not sure you can say that most don't act like "jerks". You don't have to be mean, just use the term "unwatchable" as a blanket statement, and expand the problem on a few titles to "countless", talk up a trend from something that doesn't even constitute a pattern--remember, "Patton" and "Sand Pebbles" were from the same studio released on the same day, yet were presented in differing levels of DNR and grain removal--to "titanic in proportion" and "forever changing how film [is] presented". No "jerk" attitudes necessary, just magnification of small problems into big ones and seeing ghosts where there are none. As a personal example: Think back. Did you bother to comment on "Sand Pebbles", even if you didn't watch it, just to say in passing that you're relieved that it didn't turn out like "Patton"? And how often has that happened versus how many times it's been brought up? On the contrary, Ron's being extremely fair here. No release will ever be regarded as perfect. The studios have to balance pleasing some of the people most or all of the time against pleasing most of the people some of the time. When positive feedback is minimized, ignored, or even (in some cases here and elsewhere) poo-pooed while tiny mistakes explode into insulting studios and valid mistakes are turned into boycotts, there's no reason for them to bother listening, because they'll never do anything right. This is what he's trying to say is happening, to the detriment of future releases. It's like we cry wolf every time we see a puppy. We keep on the explosive reaction track, they really will start to master everything like it's a video game, because the sales data on the releases that look like video games will be the only feedback they bother listening to. |
