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post #301 of 654

Re: Terminator 1 & 2

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Originally Posted by Mentasm
Regarding the bitrate, I did a very quick (10 minutes) test with BD info last night and it hovered between 16-17Mbps.

Ouch!

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Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Skynet Edition) [Blu-ray]
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post #302 of 654

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Originally Posted by merrick97
Its a COMPLETE waste of time.

Its just a repackage of the current bluray.

Nothing more.
And this is a confirmed fact? Regarding T1?
post #303 of 654

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Heh, I deliberately didn't label them to keep people guessing The top image is from the new Skynet BD, while the bottom is from the older Optimum BD release. The Skynet disc looks to have better colour rendition and less grain, but I'm not 100% sure if it has as much detail as the bottom image (lines on her hands and face etc). It looks liek an improvement overall though. I'll take better colour/contrast and a cleaner image any day. It's also possible the US release will look better cause it won't have all those other language tracks

Funny... I was going back and forth about which one might be "better" but I also thought that the color of the top image looked better. Without seeing a moving image it's impossible to judge the perceived detail and grain to see if the grain in the other image is "real" or just a noisy transfer or electronic ringing. Many times still frames can be misleading on issues like grain etc. I think I see the same amount of detail, though contrast issues could be making certain things look more pronounced in the second image. Hmmm... the two are very close in overall detail which is very interesting.
post #304 of 654

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The first check discs in europe have been sent to dvd sites, here's a review with lots of screencaps (french) :

Terminator 2 : Skynet Edition -Blu-Ray / Test Blu-Ray HD
post #305 of 654
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Re: Terminator 1 & 2

David, can we get an accurate translation of the French review?
post #306 of 654

Re: Terminator 1 & 2

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Originally Posted by dvdvision
The first check discs in europe have been sent to dvd sites, here's a review with lots of screencaps (french) :

Terminator 2 : Skynet Edition -Blu-Ray / Test Blu-Ray HD
The first check discs were sent out about two weeks ago, that's where I got my info. There should be an English language review up at some point, but there's currently a bit of a backlog what with that stupidly huge X-Men boxed set only a week or so away.
post #307 of 654

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Here I quickly yahoo translated it, so pardon the rough language

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video : To say that l' image of Terminator 2 proposed here comes very close to perfection would not be an absolute truth… Indeed, also amusing (and often époustouflant it is), the master film makes sometimes its age and certain plans trail, on rare occasion, behind the impeccable current standards in term of definition. Nevertheless, nothing d' alarming since the work of restoration and especially the copy proposed fill the gaps that l' one had been able to note on recent and already obsolete back issue of l' editor, who had a little blunder with master HD going back to 2000 and conceived for editions DVD! Here, the spectacle is jouissif with more d' a title and imposes true and obvious a redécouverte under idyllic conditions. So certain night sequences suffer sometimes d' a bluish noise d' origin, one does not count any more the prowesses d' an artistic director d' a great richness, supported by a tasty set of contrasts. In short, without being completely perfect, the film of Cameron is really beautiful and remains l' one of very rare Blu-Ray of the market has to be labellized THX.

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Sound : Puisqu' one speaks about THX, the film s' open on the famous logo altered T2 way. This last is proposed in Full HD and especially in SDR 6.1 losseless which emerges without shouting station. One starts, one lowers the sound and one understands that l' one goes assiter to something of irrational. One n' is qu' with half surprised because James Cameron always polished with as much class than of brutality the band its of his film of which each back issue s' imposed like a demonstration devastator. Blu-Ray does not derogate extremely fortunately from the rule. A quite astonishing disc, in any case, taking into account sound technical diversity qu' he proposes. Indeed, between American, French and German, each one made his cooking according to its possibilities (would be this only compared to doubling) and one assists with some frightening contrasts d' a track with l' other which s' will adapt according to the tastes of each one. One will leave to side our German friends (and their SDR HD Lossless 7.1, which n' is nevertheless nothing) for s' to interest in what will turn in loop on our premises. To be completely frank, one does not know what took to the French technicians responsible for mixing 5.1 of film, but they had straightforwardly the heavy hand on the channel of low! This n' is more one box, c' is a tractor that l' one has at the house. One remembers that the first edition film at l' editor did not propose qu' Dolby Surround for the VF and that, to be caught up with, this last had proposed Dolby DIGITAL 5.1 a little more devastator for the second salvo, but c' is aujourd' today that the effects are made feel. In SDR HD 5.1 High Resolution, all, absolutely all is pretext with the tremor: music, noises of step, bikes (become of the tractors, therefore), slappings of door, sneezes… All! C' is inflated, c' is square, c' is a chouia free, but not completely unpleasant. Good-natured its which pète all in all. Side of the VO, one bails out d' SDR HD lossless 6.1 which makes of them less cases on the side of the low registers (in any case, which does not use them qu' at the most convenient moments), but which profits d' a width much more fluid with a total purity which makes really the difference. What does not waste of anything l' aspect striking of the scenes d' action, delivering some small auditive experiments, that and there, rather devastators…

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Bonus : As evoked in introduction, this Blu-Ray de Terminator 2 gives all its noble letters to the concept d' interactivity, while rehabilitating its definition first. And yes, here, one interacts really and directly with same film! C' is quite simple, except some short small things (cut scenes, teasers and bandages advertisement), all is consultable directly during the reading of film, without leaving there, us authorizing to fork d' an element with l' other according to our desire. That l' one is fan absolute, or just curious to discover certain aspects, everyone will find satisfaction there! Let us note that the three versions of film are available: the version cinema (137min), the version director' S cut (154min), but also the version directors cut even longer, only accessible by password. How one is sympathetic, one gives it to you! It is necessary to be placed on the five asterisks, and to seize 82997. Code which corresponds to the date of the last judgement, on August 29, 1997 (08-29-97) in English. On the longer versions, the additional scenes are not doubled in French. Finally subtitled comments! Let us start the festivities with sobriety. Namely to them from now on impossible to circumvent audio comments, distributed here on two tracks. D' a side: James Cameron and his scenario writer William Wischer (recorded for l' edition of 2003), l' other, celebrates it comment utilizing not less than 26 people (recorded in 1993). The first satisfaction, and not of least: the comments are subtitled in French! " Enfin" let us be us tried to blow, so much disappointment was of setting for the anglophobes until there. A good thing of made, us allowing d' finally; to fully appreciate the glance of the realizer on l' one of its percussion films, on a first comment less unmethodical than the second, leaving him many time to develop aspect of film. Obviously, time will have made that on very many points, the film lost good number of its secrecies in 18 years of fascination (and yes, already), but c' is nostalgia and the glance d' author who prevails. C' is a fact, James Cameron who evokes l' numerical imagery, c' is often 1000 times more enthralling than of by n' import which d' other aujourd' today. And instead of making the guide (' ' there c' is numerical, there c' is réel' '), it brings its reflexions to us. A d' point of view of; as much more important qu' there remains the pionner d' a certain technology. In addition, to re-examine film later 12 years also authorized some lightnesies to him and this last does not dry up d' anecdotes enough amusing. L' a d' between them reveals, for example, that when qu' they are units on the motor bike, Arnold Schwarzenegger n' would not have stopped knocking by inadvertency Edward Furlong with its rifle. Liking, enriching, a true lesson of technical cinema and set of themes.

For those which the technique fascine always, one can thus continue on the very complete second comment. Not less than 26 speakers (2-6!), which is hustled on only one and even track… Lastly, they do not hustle really puisqu' it s' acts primarily of small independent talks carried out by Van Ling, person in charge of the no-claims bonus on film since the first edition (but also of this Blu-Ray present). Not only, information really attractive for is bitten of setting in purely technical scene, but l' together remains d' a fluidity with any test. D' access because Van Ling takes care d' to introduce each speaker, but also because, Blu-Ray obliges, l' editor had l' excellent idea to propose small photographs of the latter beside their subtitles. Thus, one always knows who speaks without never being likely to confuse them the ones with the others. Impossible to be mistaken. An excellent initiative in any case! Thanks to Blu Ray one looks all the no-claims bonus during film! One passes then to l' enormous piece. A true flat good-natured of resistance which constitutes with him only a true exploration of several hours through the disc for most patient. Even if the visit of the slides of film is limited to its own duration (2h30, therefore), one is very quickly tempted to retrogress on many scenes, in order to redécouvrir them through new functions. To summarize, it s' d' acts; a version much more practical and more complete of l' infernal and interminable no-claims bonus of l' Ultimate edition where it was necessary to stuff a text and occasionally to fall on additional modules… The large bazaar in s' question; thus call Interactive modes and presents itself rather simply in the form d' a gray bar which s' post in top of l' screen as of the starting of film. C' is there that the things become complicated, and before fully taming l' tool, a few good minutes will be necessary. A disconcerting bit at the beginning, this system proposes to select six types of labels, which will very quickly become essential and amusing lorsqu' one has some seizes operation and the many possibilities: - The first label less offers a function PIP, not proposing than 69 small vidéos which will intervene of time to other, in a corner of l' screen. D' one duration bordering approximately 30 seconds at 2 minutes, they s' will delay primarily on the key scenes. One will know all about the turning of the scene in the future, of the dive of the truck, of the technical special effects, as well as twisting images of the scene of the bar (where Arnold n' is not only naked, but raises in more one multicoloured shorts fluo of the most beautiful effect) as well as the many comparative ones before/after numerical final improvements. 69 vidéos which profit from subtitles, but they should really well be sought. Indeed, beside the module discrete a small arrow appears. By precisely pressing the low arrow of your remote control, of the function additional appear, and allow to select subtitles, of zapper d' a video module with another (practical for the least patient) but also to look at them directly, without passing by film, on a secondary menu. It will be regretted just that, even by choosing this function, the windows remain small…

- The second and third labels allow d' in turn; to have access to anecdotes in any kinds on film (on the actors, a tiny appearing detail with l' screen, etc) for l' one, thus qu' a very precise technical description for l' other, history of knowing how plans (linings, SFX, etc) are created. If these last are not unfortunately proposed qu' in English, they are sufficiently summary to remain comprehensible for those which have some concepts. In addition, one will be amused to see arrows appearing of time to other on l' image to explain what exactly l' one speaks (as on discrete placements of marks, for example). - The fourth label proposes elements known as " connectés". C' be-with-to say qu' a panel appears and d' proposes to us; to stop a few seconds (or minutes) film to reach d' others vidéos or photograph galleries with accompanying notes. Durations about equivalent to those evoked in the paragraph devoted to the PIP, these last are 59, and are also consultable separately, with or without subtitles by the same means of ' ' arrow bas' '. A small flat, at least for l' specimen that we had, since these small vidéos makes l' d' object; light a bug which strongly jerks their unfolding. If the sound n' in does not suffer, we have d' access believed qu' it s' d' acted; a series of ravelling photographs… Their short duration does not waste the pleasure, but guarantee that the product placed at the disposal in the trade will have rectified this detail. - Lastly, the fifth and sixth labels are there like comparative tools. L' one gives access to the scenario (unfortunately, written in English) and l' other with the story-board, always during the reading of film. A good way of noting the similarities or the differences between film such qu' he was thought before turning, and the end result with l' screen. Moreover, it will be regretted nevertheless a little that the story-boards are not more numerous, although the step is more appreciable. All that is owl… very owl. But noncontent d' to be pleasant to follow independently from/to each other, one can also cumulate these labels the ones with the others according to the possibilities. More exactly, in the way in which distributed we them above. Pip only goes all alone, but the anecdotes and the indications of turning can be posted units, stopped by the additional elements, just like the scenario and the story-board can be supplemented side by side, with film in backdrop.

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Last word : There are two more things that l' one can make during film, history of s' to amuse. D' a share, there is a quizz, a truth quizz which appears time with other in bottom of l' screen (in French) and which enable us to test our knowledge on film with a question and four answers possible. How in Which wants to gain million! With, B, C or D, or Green, Red, Yellow or Blue for those which want directly to use the keys of the remote control. The film is put in pause, the question is put and the answer occurs naturally in film a few seconds later… The " answer in image" , like one says to the TV… There still a sympathetic function, but which is done well too rare with the length of film for qu' one hangs completely. The concept would have gained to be more alive… Concurrently to that, one can also play during film, with mini-plays a little headache to be solved in an assigned time: puzzles, mental calculation, enigmas, etc are with the program d' a function which has l' enormous advantage of making us pass d' directly; a play with l' other if it is wished. And to finish! One sees the end of it… The things n' definitely not being made with half, this disc proposes the teaser, the two bands official announcements as well as the band announces director' S cut and the logo THX, ALL IN FULL HD! Here are which proves the care taken to this edition. S' to that the two cut scenes add (like what, Cameron makes really this qu' he wants on his films), which are those which l' one can reinstate in film via the quoted code a little higher, accompanied by comments of the realizer and the actors and obviously proposed in HD. Lastly, a function Accès Skynet allows us d' to have access to functions Internet since the reader (an update with profile 2.0 s' minimum; impose). We, one tested d' there to go, but since this edition n' is still in the trade nowhere in the world, one fell on a beautiful waiter (French) completely vacuum. Not d' friends and of innovations to be added not yet, therefore, but the things should be richer in May/June.
post #308 of 654

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Thrilled Thrilled Thrilled
post #309 of 654

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I'm aware I'm quite late, but I just got my hands on T2 Skynet Edition today, though mind you, it's the UK version...

It's definitely an improvement over the UK Optimum BD. The colours felt a bit more natural to me, especially at the end when Sarah dives and slides through the floor, and the T-800 breaks through the wall to rescue her from being shot to pieces. the Optimum BD had a very washed out, purple look to it, but the new Skynet BD has a more natural, vibrant more blue orientated tint. the whole thing was just more consistent with image. I still have my Optimum BD, so one of these days, I'm gonna do a direct comparison just for the hell of it.

I am very pleased with it. the menus are very efficient and slick looking (good job Van). I am somewhat disappointed at the bitrate, I know it's not Van and co's fault, BUT I would still recommend EVERY UK T2 fan to purchase this BD. I think the highest the bitrate goes is 20. the excessive language tracks were quite honestly...not needed. but for the hell of it, it was amusing to see that the voice actor who voiced Arnold in the German dub was quite similar to Arnold himself . well, he was close enough.

I'm told that the UK will have a steelbook, so I will have to purchase it when it officially streets. I simply borrowed the Skynet Edition disc from a friend. No case, which is a bummer. I have decided not to check out the special features so I still have something to look forward to when the BD is officially released. Otherwise, I'd feel no motivation to buy it for a while...

While not perfect, it's easily the best I've ever seen T2 and a very solid, consistent release.
post #310 of 654

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The image is definitely better, but there are still quite a few film artefacts. Nothing too distracting though. For some reason the audio is causing me a bit of a headache. My player and the latest version of BDInfo only report it as 5.1 (although the older BDInfo reported 6.1) and there is a lot of lip-synch delay throughout the film. I've tried it on my standalone and my PS3 and it is the same. Curiously it's not so much of a problem on the PC, so I guess it must be down to my hardware. I'll be getting a new amp soon (well, as soon as the one I want becomes available in the UK), so hopefully that'll fix the problem.
post #311 of 654

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Mentasm,

Perhaps I wasn't looking out for the artefacts, so I don't recall seeing anything too distracting, I was definitely pleased with the transfer. I hope Lowry restore it for it's 20th Anniversary which will be in 2011, that's the only way I can imagine T2 looking better than it does now. as for the lip-synch delay, I've played it on my PS3 and had absolutely no problems. Perhaps you have a faulty disc? I will go through it one more time before I return it to my friend and will look out for it, but I can't recall it being an issue for me.

For the hell of it, check out the German dub. It's quite amusing at times. It's funny to see a film that you've seen a hundred thousand times in a different language.
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To be fair I think the lip-synch issues could be down to my hardware, which is why I tested it on multiple sources. At the moment I am still using a legacy amp with multi-channel analogue connectors for HD audio, as my player internally decodes lossless. My TV has lip-synch correction, but obviously the audio isn't coming out through that. I've never noticed any issues on other discs (including the previous Optimum T2 release), but I still think this is the most likely reason because it was okay on the PC (odd thought hat it was also messed up with thePS3 over coaxial).

I've been trying to buy an amp for a couple of months, but everything in my price range is sold out. There seems to be a massive shortage of AVR equipment in the UK at the moment. Sony released a brilliant amp that was really cheap, but they appeared to only have imported about 10 for the whole country! I've now ordered a 5.1 Onkyo amp (7.1 isn't really practical in my house anyway) and I will revisit the disc when this arrives. I imagine that using HDMI in every link of the chain will eliminate the delay, especially with the fancy Audyssey EQ2 processing.

With regards to the artefacts, they're not that bad. I've certainly seen much worse on films of that age. All things considered it's a good disc, but then I thought Optimum's older release was pretty good as well (apart from the lack of extras). I wouldn't say the new version is night and day in the AV department, but it's definitely the one to go for.
post #313 of 654

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to those who have the blu-ray already...

can you give me some info about the trailers, like aspect ratio, quality, audio format, hd?

thanks
post #314 of 654

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Mentasm, good choice with Onkyo, you will not be disappointed, even with the 5.1.

I decided to re-watch T2 Skynet Edition (this time by myself) and decided to "nitpick" the disc. I've noticed the artefacts, but they aren't distracting at all. though at times, they can be noticeable. I have absolutely no issues with the sound being off-synch. Perhaps it truly is a problem on your end or maybe the disc itself.

I checked out the trailers EnricoE, while I didn't pay attention if the trailers had lossless audio or not, they are all in HD. as for the aspect ratio of them...I'm afraid I didn't pay much attention to that either so I can't tell you the *exact* aspect ratio of them, but they do look very cool. nostalgic indeed.

I've now returned the disc so any questions regarding special features and such I cannot answer as I didn't check them out...I am very pleased with the overall presentation of the disc (menu system, sound and picture) though.

for UK fans, this is THE version to buy regarding both T2 releases here. While I never thought the Optimum disc was bad, infact, one could say it was a strong effort, the Skynet version just topples it with superior picture and strangely enough, with the audio too. I can't say that for sure, but I felt the audio a bit more engaging this time around, but maybe that was just me enjoying the brilliant sound design a bit more. the lack of extras in the Optimum disc is also somewhat of a deal breaker.

I see Mr Ling here decided to re-use a certain Easter Egg...nice touch.
post #315 of 654

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When you say artifacts, are you referring to digital artifacts from the encode, or film emulsion artifacts?
post #316 of 654

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Film artefacts. There are quite a few specks on the print, but they're small enough to go largely unnoticed (dependant on the size of your screen and viewing distance I guess). Funny thing with BD is that the enhanced resolution really shows up he wires and stuff (when Arnie jumps the bike).
post #317 of 654

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Originally Posted by Mentasm
Funny thing with BD is that the enhanced resolution really shows up he wires and stuff (when Arnie jumps the bike).

i could always see them, no matter if the film was viewed from ld, dvd or tv.
post #318 of 654

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Yeah, so could I, but now I can really see them
post #319 of 654

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Mr Van. Ling is it 100% sure that the Region A edition is NOT region-free?
post #320 of 654

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It's not certain yet. It's Lionsgate, so it could be either one. But it does come out in other countries, so it wouldn't really matter, would it?
post #321 of 654
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Sreve and Brian, Region A is not region free, sorry. If you want to complain, do so to Studio Canal. As owner of the film, they can force their licensee Lionsgate to do it, especially since unlike on previous Lionsgate titles, Studio Canal actually actively partnered with them on T2... which means they also controlled the budget and what I was able to do or not do on the disc to some extent.

V
post #322 of 654

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Originally Posted by Van Ling
Sreve and Brian, Region A is not region free, sorry. If you want to complain, do so to Studio Canal. As owner of the film, they can force their licensee Lionsgate to do it, especially since unlike on previous Lionsgate titles, Studio Canal actually actively partnered with them on T2... which means they also controlled the budget and what I was able to do or not do on the disc to some extent.

V

bummer
post #323 of 654

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I would feel bad if the same version wouldn't come out here (even the Endoskull version) but it does, so it doesn't really matter to me.
post #324 of 654

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About that Lowry's The Terminator restoration.
I'm not sure about all-new CGI effects, but they better paint-out some stuff, like a guy who levers up Terminator after it got burned (really hurts watching film after you notice that) and fix some sound effects (when shotgun fire sounds like machinegun).
With better PQ and AQ those things would be even more annoying.
post #325 of 654

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OK, I've seen the US Skynet Edition and all I have to say is: just what happened here?

It's insanely DNRed, clearly even worse than the previous Lionsgate Edition and it's a long shot form the European/Japanese versions. It's terrible like some of the new Star Trek editions.

Van Ling,

can you please shed some light on the subject? How can they call this a remaster?
post #326 of 654
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Seriously? Are you sure this is not DNR coming from your display device or hardware?

I'm not sure what you're seeing exactly, but it's the SAME Cameron-approved master we used for the previous BD and for both the European and Japanese versions, and was remastered for significant dirt cleanup only... I specifically asked them to do NO automated digital noise removal at all on it, and the transfer and encode looked fine... and the new VC-1 encode seemed to look significantly better than the MPEG2 version from 2006 (although that may be a matter of opinion).

V
post #327 of 654

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Can't wait to get my copy
post #328 of 654

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Originally Posted by Van Ling
Seriously? Are you sure this is not DNR coming from your display device or hardware?

I'm not sure what you're seeing exactly, but it's the SAME Cameron-approved master we used for the previous BD and for both the European and Japanese versions, and was remastered for significant dirt cleanup only... I specifically asked them to do NO automated digital noise removal at all on it, and the transfer and encode looked fine... and the new VC-1 encode seemed to look significantly better than the MPEG2 version from 2006 (although that may be a matter of opinion).

V

High-Def Digest gave the video a 4 out of 5 in their review here. No DNR reported at all. They even say 'Strong Visible Detail'. It looks like it's 4 and not 5 just because of the age of the film compared to newer ones. Sounds like blue skies.

P.S. I do have to say the any thing would look better than MPEG2 on a single-sided blu-ray. 6 times the pixels of DVD on only 3 times the DVD space. It's just asking for trouble.
post #329 of 654

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Skynet: http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/1361_8_1080p.jpg
UK OHE: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2...shot200905.png

The Skynet seems DNRed in comparison to the UK.
post #330 of 654

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The Skynet release is a crushing disappointment. They 'cleaned it up' alright... to the point of people looking like bizarrely animated dept store dummies. Thankfully, I never got rid of the UK release. Something in my water told me to hold onto it.
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