Batman Begins Part III

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1) Gotham
2) Two-Face (I hope), maybe it's time for Catwoman...maybe Gordon can be a good antagonist, though
3) Nope. Too much distraction. This iteration had its Joker; sadly, all too briefly.

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I was wondering today how Nolan would portray the Penguin for some reason. Hmmmm

I highly doubt we'll see the Joker again since everyone is talking about how good Ledger is in the role. Oscar nods supposedly. I can't think of many actors who'd want to step into those shoes.

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I think Rhas Al Ghul will be brought back to bring the story full circle, as I suspect Nolan will want to end the trilogy.

That also opens the door to Talia Al Ghul and can give the film a female element after the events of TDK.

Combine that with the continuing Two Face story arc.

They *could* I suppose re-cast the Joker, but that's going to be difficult. Nolan is stuck between a rock and a hard place here I think. I don't think it's believable to just write him out of the story though, because it's quite obvious in the TDK that he would be able to get out of Arkham within a couple of hours if he wanted to.

Hasn't it been rumored that Nolan was less than warm to the idea of Penguin and Catwoman? The Riddler or even Bane might fit better in the Nolanverse.

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As I said in the Dark Knight thread, I really hope a 3rd film gets made by Nolan. They have a great set-up for it now with Batman "on the run", Gordon "hunting" him while actually protecting him, Two-Face waiting in the wings with the truth, and a city that need to mature to recognize that Batman is not only the hero they need, but the one they want, and for the right reasons.

I highly doubt Nolan will go the supernatural route and bring back Rhas Al Ghul. It just wouldn't fit with the other films at all.

I don't think the Joker will be back, either. It works with him out of the picture. It'd almost be too draining to have all that chaos again from that character. Besides, no Ledger.

Two-Face will be back. Of that I have no doubt.

Other villain possibilities:

Penguin. A Nolan take on this villain would be a sophisticated jewel thief, maybe a man who backs Two-Face financially. I don't think he'd make a good main villain.

Catwoman. Nolan could build off the theme of copycat Batmen, only with an actual copycat.

Firefly. Essentially an arsonist.

Riddler. Would have to play up his willingness to play cat and mouse with the police in a way that was not anarchy like we just saw with the Joker. Honestly, after TDK I don't know if this would be different enough and would likely suffer with too many comparisons.

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I think the Joker is done. His last lines said it all. We'll just keep on doing this. Going round and round. Something to that effect.

The only way a new story between the Joker and Batman would work is if Nolan were to break new ground. ie if the Batman can find a lever of some sort against the Joker. Based on TDK it does not seem like such a thing exists.

The third movie is in tough. How do you carry on or top what happened in TDK? They could stop here because it is a good ending point.

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If Nolan wants to end the trilogy (and I think that's the plan) what I would do is this:

1.) Batman can't bring himself to kill the Joker. But Rhas Al Ghul can. And does. Batman then defeats Rhas. The trilogy is complete.

2.) Bruce Wayne discovers his soul mate in Talia, his chance for a somewhat normal life. This may sound "icky" to some comic book types, but realistically you can't strip the character of all his humanity.

3.) Batman hangs up the cape/cowl at the end of the third movie, the citizens of Gotham take greater control of the city led by Commissioner Gordon, inspired by his example. The "escalation" stops.

You can't do this in the comics because of course the comics have to continue on into eternity.

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Another civic minded Billionaire puts a bounty on Batman capture. Bruces conflict is then with this other Billionaire as well as the bounty hunters sent after him.
It's hard for me to see Bats continuing to operate against small scale thugs when the cops are out gunning for him. We're in Spider-man territory here, which is why I can see something like Kravens Last Hunt used as a springboard (unattributed of course). Deadshot would make sense if that's the way they went.

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Good as in narratively good. The themes have been explored. The Joker took everyone and everything to their limits. Any story after that will be a pale shadow. Then again if a straight action story is sufficient to satisfy there's plenty of those that can be rolled off the assembly line.

Gordon won't turn on Batman. He will publicly but the two of them will go back to their earlier relationship ie one on one with no one else involved or knowing.

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One thing about the next film - it'll be nice to have Wayne Manor and the Batcave back.

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Title...The Dark Knight Returns.

No Joker recasting. The obvious thematic back bone of this third film, considering how The Dark Knight ended, is going to be redemption and acceptance for Bruce and the people of Gotham...with Gordon caught in the middle, considering he's now hunting the Batman.

As far as villians are concerned, the Riddler could be done in a way that's very similar to Fincher's Zodiac, i.e. a serial killer on the loose with the "riddles". The obvious goal would be much bigger in terms of what it means to the citizens of Gotham. But, doing it this way would also bring in more of the detective Batman that The Dark Knight does more of. That's the only way I can see The Riddler fitting in to Nolan's universe.

The other villian would be Black Mask..a much more potent mob boss and considering his origin, it ties nicely to the character arc we've seen in Nolan's two films for Bruce Wayne.

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Film the whole thing in IMAX

first of all love the direction this has taken as for titles, different variations on a theme but the Nolanverse works so well, and I know that he has stated that he would like to work with some of the lesser characters from the series. That is a really easy point to follow if he can keep WB and DC interested in continuing the viral campaign from now right up to the next release , an occasional Gotham Times , and occasional Gotham Tonight, update episode , treat it like it is real, as that way without showing some of the secondary characters in the movie, you can still bring them into the story line. Bring back the mansion and cave, and I know thai is going to be something not seen in any of the series yet, at some point I want to see him walk the hall at Arkham Asylum and if only cameos, we need to see Crane. And possibly joker face in glass with a woman talking on other side.

The fact that Nolan gave us the dective story and war on the mob makes this a better run, and hopefully will go for more than 3 pictures, personally being greedy I would like six, and the last two could be the frank miller dark knight.

1) well every bb on the net says shadow of the bat

2)Two Face

Rupert Thorne
Sal Maroni
Penguin (Cobblepot- Mob Gun Dealer w/ Croc as an enforcer)
Mike Engel (antagonist)
Bullock (antagonist) leave Gordon out of going after batman



3) Joker (Ledger Footage if any exist that Nolan shot)
( If not only suitable replacement would be Depp)

Posing a question to the others on this board how do you see the Riddler portrayed, because of the differences in the various comics, personally I always pictured the sadistic runt. No offence to David Tennant.

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Because it's Stoopidwood there will be another movie. They better be careful because the only way the next Batman can go is down. The amount of people propping this movie into the stratosphere is setting up the next one for a downfall. The movie as someone has already stated is, just good. Burton's two were good before they trashed the series. Stop here!

I'd like to see Nolan take over the Fantastic Four series...

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hey les,
got a question for you, are you a fan of just the movies , or a comic fan as well, you keep mentionon the Burton films.

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I think the IMAX thing will be a done deal. I can see him catching a break from IMAX on the costs. They are going to make a mint on TDK. Shadow of the Bat is too comic book nerdy. I don't like my suggestion, but Gotham is very much a player. So we'll see what they do (it won't be Gotham, I know). Nor would I want it to be.

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Since I have not seen the IMAX version yet, I'll say that the film looked fantastic from start to finish while at the same time it was easy to see what scenes were shot in that format, because of how much scope they had.

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Nope I am not a Comic book guy, but I enjoy movies. I continue to mention Burton's two films because I think they are under appreciated on many levels. Many forget the magnitude and the impact of the first Batman. Burton's Batman is the template for comic book movies today. If you can recall you were in awe the first time you saw Batman, the first time you saw Nicholson's Joker, you were in awe when you saw the Batmobile. Comic book movies prior were corny.

Nolan is an excellent director I appreciate the realism he's applied to his version through his vision, that same realism could make FF a sick movie. Hell I'd like to see him at the helm of Thor and I think he could send us to the theaters in droves if he directed Wonder Woman....

Anyway....Let Batman end here, it's hard to pull of a trilogy

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just for the level of detail alone, film it in IMAX, then convert it to standard, sort of like the Cinerama experience or seeing epics like lawrence of arabia in 70mm

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Some may want them to stop, but after the money this one racks in, Warner will make another. Let's hope they give Nolan a free arm to at least finish a great trilogy.

I'm hoping there's not a replacement Joker. Having a stand alone 3rd storyline with a different villain is better. The Magneto storyline through 3 X-men movies was just too much.

Perhaps Two-Face returns and winds up killing the parents of Grayson like the comics. Batman could train his replacement which will be Nightwing by the end of the movie.

I'd vote against Penguin. He's just too cartoony. Catwoman has possibilities, but her character really isn't threatening enough to warrant a big showdown.

Whatever they do, I just hope they don't go the Spiderman 3 route and cram in a dozen different stories and villains.

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How about a World's Finest with him teaming with Supes? I would love to see Nolan take a crack at it.

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I think the best solution is to introduce Harlee Quinn. You have the continuation of the Joker and the female element all in one. Also, put Poison Ivy in the film for the double threat. Based on the animated series she dated Two-Face. He can be the man behind the action in the third film. Or, did they just set him up for nothing? If your going to have Robin then the name of the film should be Batman: Legacy. Just my thoughts.

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How can the next film not be called....

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I'd call it

The Edge Of The Abyss
Because that's where this character is going to be at the begining of the next film after the events in TDK. One of the major conflicts he would have at this point would logically be with himself. The end of the film would be his decison to either back away from the edge or fully throw himself in.
Its a shame Ledger is gone, because I can easily see a scene where a doubting Batman sneaks in to Arkham to have a private dialouge with his evil opposite (mr J) as a unspoken way of regaining/maintaining his perspective on the verge of what might be a nervous breakdown- which is something that the Joker can immediately sense and frustrate by interacting with him in an exceedingly calm and rationale manner- denying him an easy perspective/conscience fix.

I remember after Spider-man 2, Raimi said they first had to figure out where Pete was now as a character and that would determine the choice of villans that would best serve the whole. Instead they went after meaningless spectacle and fanboy fellating favorites. I hope Nolan has more balls and if he thinks it's neccessary to dial the next movie down to little more than a glorified character study, he follows that instinct thru.
The play's the thing.

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How about two villians, one male and one female. My idea for the female villian would be Catwoman with Angelina Jolie. With Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)