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post #1 of 13
7/15/08 at 1:35pm
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Under my 'BD10A's onscreen display menu there's a section that asks you to set the TRANSFER mode -- I have been leaving this on "AUTO 1" but is this the correct setting for letting discs with different frame rates, etc. be converted, etc. or should this be on AUTO 2?
post #2 of 13
7/15/08 at 2:27pm

Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

From the manual (available online--see link below):
Transfer§ [When “Progressive” (➡ above) is set to “On”.]
Select the method of conversion for progressive output to suit the type of material being played
(➡ 29, Glossary, Film and video).
≥Auto1 (normal): Automatically detects the film and video content, and appropriately converts
it.
≥Auto2: In addition to “Auto1”, automatically detects film contents with different
frame rates and appropriately converts it.
≥Video: Select when using “Auto1” and “Auto2”, and the content is distorted.

Sounds like Auto1 is your default and if you run into problems you switch to Auto2 or video, depending on the transfer/source material.
Link:http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER...PBD10A-MUL.PDF
post #3 of 13
7/15/08 at 2:29pm
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Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

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Originally Posted by Stephen_J_H
From the manual (available online--see link below):
Transfer§ [When “Progressive” (➡ above) is set to “On”.]
Select the method of conversion for progressive output to suit the type of material being played
(➡ 29, Glossary, Film and video).
≥Auto1 (normal): Automatically detects the film and video content, and appropriately converts
it.
≥Auto2: In addition to “Auto1”, automatically detects film contents with different
frame rates and appropriately converts it.
≥Video: Select when using “Auto1” and “Auto2”, and the content is distorted.

Sounds like Auto1 is your default and if you run into problems you switch to Auto2 or video, depending on the transfer/source material.
Link:http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER...PBD10A-MUL.PDF

Yes, Steve, thank you for the manual clip -- I've read the manual a few times and understand that Auto 1 is the default setting but after reading what Auto 2 does it seems I still have the questions...Auto 2 seems to compensate for frame rate differences, so when playing Blu rays should Auto 2 be engaged so 1080p/24 mastered discs play "correctly" on equipment that cannot handle 1080p/24 material? This player and my display both can't accept 1080p/24, so should I be using AUTO 2? Perhaps this is why my Blu rays don't look all that great?
post #4 of 13
7/15/08 at 3:04pm

Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

Simple, just try each and compare and see what looks better to you.
post #5 of 13
7/15/08 at 3:54pm
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Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Allen
Simple, just try each and compare and see what looks better to you.

I'm just trying to ascertain which of these is the officially correct mode for letting the player appropriately convert and display different frame rates on the discs, etc...I've always run these Panasonic players at AUTO 1, but I'm wondering if AUTO 2 is the better selection so 1080p/24 material is "converted" properly.
post #6 of 13
7/15/08 at 5:04pm

Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

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Originally Posted by Panevino
I'm just trying to ascertain which of these is the officially correct mode for letting the player appropriately convert and display different frame rates on the discs, etc...I've always run these Panasonic players at AUTO 1, but I'm wondering if AUTO 2 is the better selection so 1080p/24 material is "converted" properly.

Neither setting has to do with 1080p/24 material. The BD10a only outputs 1080p/60, so 3:2 pulldown needs to be applied either way. From what I understand, 'Auto 1' reads the flags off the disc being played and sets itself accordingly. 'Auto 2' attempts to compensate for material with mixed flags, usually material shot on film but edited on video (music videos/TV programs). The problem is that 'Auto 2' doesn't seem to do its job well, one of the BD10a's bigger problems with upconversion. This can result in combing artifacts which pop up mostly during scene edits.

If you watch primarily film based material, I would leave it on 'Auto 1'.
post #7 of 13
7/15/08 at 5:05pm

Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Panevino
I'm just trying to ascertain which of these is the officially correct mode for letting the player appropriately convert and display different frame rates on the discs, etc...I've always run these Panasonic players at AUTO 1, but I'm wondering if AUTO 2 is the better selection so 1080p/24 material is "converted" properly.

Neither setting has to do with 1080p/24 material. The BD10a only outputs 1080p/60, so 3:2 pulldown needs to be applied either way. From what I understand, 'Auto 1' reads the flags off the disc being played and sets itself accordingly. 'Auto 2' attempts to compensate for material with mixed flags, usually material shot on film but edited on video (music videos/TV programs). The problem is that 'Auto 2' doesn't seem to do its job well, one of the BD10a's bigger problems with upconversion. This can result in combing artifacts which pop up mostly during scene edits.

If you watch primarily film based material, I would leave it on 'Auto 1'.
post #8 of 13
7/15/08 at 6:18pm

Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Panevino
I'm just trying to ascertain which of these is the officially correct mode for letting the player appropriately convert and display different frame rates on the discs, etc...I've always run these Panasonic players at AUTO 1, but I'm wondering if AUTO 2 is the better selection so 1080p/24 material is "converted" properly.

Who really cares what is "officially correct". The main goal is what looks best to you and the only way to find out is to try them.
post #9 of 13
7/15/08 at 7:07pm
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Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

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Originally Posted by John Wielgosz
Neither setting has to do with 1080p/24 material. The BD10a only outputs 1080p/60, so 3:2 pulldown needs to be applied either way. From what I understand, 'Auto 1' reads the flags off the disc being played and sets itself accordingly. 'Auto 2' attempts to compensate for material with mixed flags, usually material shot on film but edited on video (music videos/TV programs). The problem is that 'Auto 2' doesn't seem to do its job well, one of the BD10a's bigger problems with upconversion. This can result in combing artifacts which pop up mostly during scene edits.

If you watch primarily film based material, I would leave it on 'Auto 1'.

Thank you very much for this information, John. It has indeed cleared a great deal up for me.

Yes, I only watch film based material -- but what you said about the upconversion not being performed correctly with AUTO 2 concerns me: I do a great deal of DVD watching on this player, and even at AUTO 1, the upconversion is poor...are you saying switching to AUTO 2 could make the upscaling worse?

And, on the topic of 1080p/24 vs. /60, this has bugged me since the format arrived...is there some massive difference I'm not seeing between /60 and /24? Because my player can't output the discs' video at 24fps, and my display can't accept it anyway, am I actually "missing" anything on these BDs? The player is simply sending the video of a/at a different frame rate, so what does this mean to picture quality? Would the films look "better" somehow with 1080p/24 output?
post #10 of 13
7/16/08 at 2:03am

Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Allen
Simple, just try each and compare and see what looks better to you.

Well, since the difference is essentially "film" and "video" content, I would use "auto" (as I believe many are). You probably don´t want to watch "film" content via "video" setting..

Blu-ray-films are usually (not all of them) "film" and extras are often "video" (with some of the vintage material, they can also be "film", though).

Based on the manual-quote, I would use "Auto1".
post #11 of 13
7/16/08 at 5:26pm
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Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

Well, since the difference is essentially "film" and "video" content, I would use "auto" (as I believe many are). You probably don´t want to watch "film" content via "video" setting..

Not sure who you're quoting here, Jari, but I think you are addressing this to me -- if so, yes, the question is not whether or not to use AUTO, but WHICH Auto selection to use, 1 or 2...there is no "Video" setting that I am aware of on the Panny players...
post #12 of 13
7/17/08 at 1:23am

Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Panevino
Not sure who you're quoting here, Jari, but I think you are addressing this to me --

It was basically to Rich.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Panevino
..if so, yes, the question is not whether or not to use AUTO, but WHICH Auto selection to use, 1 or 2...there is no "Video" setting that I am aware of on the Panny players...

..and I´m sure you got your answer.
post #13 of 13
7/17/08 at 9:00pm
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Re: The "TRANSFER" Selection on Panasonic Blu-ray Players...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jari K
It was basically to Rich.



..and I´m sure you got your answer.


Oh, okay -- rereading that it seems you were talking to him but wasn't sure what you were referring to in your response...I don't really care what he said, but just wanted to get back to you.

Your reply about "video" didn't make much sense to me either because under Transfer, there's only a selection for Auto 1 or Auto 2.
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