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post #361 of 439
4/15/09 at 5:33am

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Originally Posted by JediFonger
ah, thanks travis, i was about to ask when.

BTW any1 interested in this series will LOVE "the pattern" in of the TV series itself. i never even connected the dots that this series had all this stuff until i read this article:

Mad science and secret codes in the TV series Fringe - Ars Technica


Seen this:

Fringe Television - Fan Site for the FOX TV Series Fringe: Fringe's Glyph / Symbols Code Cracked!

Jay
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post #362 of 439
4/15/09 at 6:04am

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Today's episodes was ridiculous and stupid and beyond belief... Least interesting episode ever...
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post #363 of 439
4/15/09 at 7:52am

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The symbols in last night's episode spelled out Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
PETER


Neil
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post #364 of 439
4/15/09 at 12:21pm

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Originally Posted by Spero D
Today's episodes was ridiculous and stupid and beyond belief... Least interesting episode ever...

Agreed. Hopefully next week it will be better.
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post #365 of 439
4/15/09 at 6:15pm

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I too agree. This series needs to move forward. I get that Walter was a brilliant scientist 20 years ago and because the technology could not keep up with him many projects were taken and completed by evil doers in later years. Got it, move on. If it continues on this track, re-hashing Walters past without going anywhere, I'm going to quit watching.
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post #366 of 439
4/22/09 at 12:41am

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There were important things in this ep, but I didn't enjoy it that much.
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post #367 of 439
4/22/09 at 5:39am

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Walter's quirkiness has reached the point where it takes me out of the show. It isn't cute quirky anymore; It feels forced. Dancing Walter? Best ignored and move on with the show.
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post #368 of 439
4/22/09 at 6:03am

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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
Walter's quirkiness has reached the point where it takes me out of the show. It isn't cute quirky anymore; It feels forced. Dancing Walter? Best ignored and move on with the show.
That's one of the reasons I didn't keep up after the first couple of eps. "Quirky scientists" are the plague of TV shows and movies, possibly the most annoying brand of stock characters around.

First time opening this thread since. I might check out the show later, I've heard good things.

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H
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post #369 of 439
4/22/09 at 6:06am

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We finally got to hear William Bell's voice in this episode.

And the glyphs this time were Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
BELL W


I thought the episode was quite intriguing and promises some big excitement as the season winds down.

Meanwhile, WTTG in DC appeared to be broadcasting it in SD for some mysterious reason. Was it HD elsewhere?
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post #370 of 439
4/22/09 at 7:44am

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Originally Posted by NeilO
Meanwhile, WTTG in DC appeared to be broadcasting it in SD for some mysterious reason. Was it HD elsewhere?

HD in Boston (at least on Comcast). The CW affiliate here a couple times has aired the SD version of "Smallville" on the HD channel when they were having a problem with the feed, so that's a possible explanation.
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post #371 of 439
4/22/09 at 8:04am

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I think the show has done a nice job of developing Walter's empathy and his capacity to relate to others around him compared to where he was earlier in the season. You may not like "quirky" Walter, but it is unreasonable to expect wholesale character changes once the die has been cast.

I wouldn't mind seeing the show move away from Walter's past, but given the eventual appearance of William Bell, I suspect that Walter's past will continue to inform the show's present storyline.

- Walter.
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post #372 of 439
4/22/09 at 10:54am

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Originally Posted by NeilO
We finally got to hear William Bell's voice in this episode.

Yes! And, it confirms Leonard Nimoy...the perfect casting.

I really enjoyed the episode quite a bit. The whole war thing is fascinating. And, that video of Olivia as a child was a real "whoa" moment.

Does Walter fully understand that is Olivia? And, what had she done? It looked like she burned down the building. Firestarter?
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post #373 of 439
4/22/09 at 2:06pm

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You may not like "quirky" Walter, but it is unreasonable to expect wholesale character changes once the die has been cast.

I think there has already been a character change, and not just natural developmnent. You watch the dancing Walter of last night and watch the Walter of the first quarter of the season, and see if you don't see a big difference.

I have no expectations. They do what they do. But earlier, the quirky things Walter did felt germane to the character. Now they feel forced because some focus group said people like it. Walter asking for coffee cake while dissecting a brain? Cool Quirky. Walter's reenactment of the Dancing Itos, not so much.
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post #374 of 439
4/22/09 at 2:20pm
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I really enjoyed this episode. The plot was moved along and we find out some cool stuff about "Olive". And Walter's comment after the body hit the car was perfect.

I feel like there is a storm brewing and I just hope they can pull it off on the budget limited small screen.
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post #375 of 439
4/22/09 at 7:36pm

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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
I think there has already been a character change, and not just natural developmnent. You watch the dancing Walter of last night and watch the Walter of the first quarter of the season, and see if you don't see a big difference.

I have no expectations. They do what they do. But earlier, the quirky things Walter did felt germane to the character. Now they feel forced because some focus group said people like it. Walter asking for coffee cake while dissecting a brain? Cool Quirky. Walter's reenactment of the Dancing Itos, not so much.

My take on the change is that is has been gradual and natural. The first bunch of episodes saw a character literally just out from a lengthy stay in an asylum, which, I am assuming would make make anyone crazy. Lately, we've been seeing Walter crazy in a different way--this is the real Walter, as he has always been a little nutty. Now that he has people around him bringing him back to reality. his normal (which is still slightly mad) personality is coming back.

The implication being, of course, that this is the same Walter (personality-wise) who was the mad scientist with William Bell. The last few episodes have shown Walter back to "normal," and truly regretful of his past.
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post #376 of 439
4/23/09 at 6:57am

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Originally Posted by Quentin
And, that video of Olivia as a child was a real "whoa" moment.

Does Walter fully understand that is Olivia?
I'm not sure it's Olivia. They quite pointedly called her "Olive", and while that could be a nickname, everyone (including her sister) calls our Olivia "Liv", IIRC. My hunch is that the video is of Olivia's doppelganger from the referenced parallel universe.

I think it would be spiffy if we got a parallel universe without doppelgangers for once (it always seems silly that if would be different in some fundamental way but all the details are the same), but I don't see that happening.
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post #377 of 439
4/23/09 at 10:44am

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Originally Posted by Jason Seaver
I'm not sure it's Olivia. They quite pointedly called her "Olive", and while that could be a nickname, everyone (including her sister) calls our Olivia "Liv", IIRC. My hunch is that the video is of Olivia's doppelganger from the referenced parallel universe.

I think it would be spiffy if we got a parallel universe without doppelgangers for once (it always seems silly that if would be different in some fundamental way but all the details are the same), but I don't see that happening.

Oh no...Nick Lane (the empath, and Olivia's childhood 'partner') clearly called her Olive. That child is Olivia. No doubt about it.

The only question is - has Walter made the connection? I think he has, by the look on his face.
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post #378 of 439
4/23/09 at 11:05am

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I'm not saying my speculation is likely, but that's the point I'm making - Nick and the voices on the tape call her "Olive", even though nobody else does, including the person who would likely still refer to her by the nickname she had as a child. Given how precise Abrams/Kurtzmann/Orci/Pinkner are, it strikes me that they might be trying to intentionally differentiate between "Liv" and "Olive", and since we know parallel universes are already in play, it's not out of the question that the other one also has an "Olive Dunham", which could be why Olivia doesn't remember any of the events being referred to.
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post #379 of 439
4/23/09 at 11:10am

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I think he knows it's her ... especially after she confirmed she took that drug ... he knows, but doesn't want to tell her or anyone else. That I think is going to be part of the "cliff hanger" for this season ... finding out about her past.

It sure looked like she is a "firestarter" based on what I saw in the video.

After last week's show (clawed snake thingy) I thought they had jumped the shark and were now doomed, but this week's show has got me alot more interested.

BTW, did anyone find her looking extremely attractive last show ??? ... maybe it's my fasination with women in business suits ... ymmm !!!! ... or the kissing scenes ... double ymmm !!!
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post #380 of 439
4/23/09 at 5:17pm

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First time poster on this thread!

This episode seemed kinda silly and unusually gorey with the throat slash and the woman falling off the building and crashing into the car.
Maybe its just me !
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post #381 of 439
4/24/09 at 7:59am

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the fact taht bishop knew about it is twisted =P. i wonder if he remember before the tape?
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post #382 of 439
4/24/09 at 11:03am

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Originally Posted by JediFonger
the fact taht bishop knew about it is twisted =P. i wonder if he remember before the tape?
I think things were coming back to him during the episode but seeing the tape sealed it.
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post #383 of 439
4/24/09 at 12:07pm

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i didn't mean in the context of this episode, but the WHOLE show since the PILOT!

BTW any1 slightly annoyed that bishop+son are wasting tax dollars staying in a HOTEL?
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post #384 of 439
4/24/09 at 1:16pm

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The government throws away trillions of dollars like it's nothing. I don't give a damn about "wasting" a couple of taxpayer dollars to keep a roof over the heads of these guys who are saving humanity every day.
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post #385 of 439
4/24/09 at 1:42pm

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Besides, it's not like it's that much worse than Cambridge rent.
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post #386 of 439
4/24/09 at 8:53pm

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I'm not sure it's Olivia. They quite pointedly called her "Olive", and while that could be a nickname, everyone (including her sister) calls our Olivia "Liv", IIRC.

Except Nick, who always addressed her as "Olive". Now this could still be someone from the parallel universe, but it could also be a childhood nickname that Olivia no longer uses - or even remembers. I haven't seen anything that makes me think the parallel universe consists of dopplegangers.

Trying to see if I've got all this straight: Olivia was experimented on as a child, but has no memory of it and her sister wasn't part of the experiment. Do we know that they're biological sisters? If one or both were adpoted, Olivia could have been part of the experiment and placed with her family later. (In which case "Olive" may have been her original name and "Olivia" a close variant give to her later.)

Regards,

Joe
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post #387 of 439
4/29/09 at 5:56am

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The beginning of the episode "Midnight" was a surprise. The way it started, it looked like the guy was out for prey and it turned out that he ended being prey.

I am glad that the knowing look Boone gave to the video camera paid off and he did record some answers for Olivia before dying. Now we "know" what we have been suspecting all along, that W. Bell is behind the craziness one way or another. Next week's episode should be intense.

The glyph code before the advertisements this week was Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"eight" ... I wonder what that means. The number of names that Boone actually revealed?
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post #388 of 439
4/29/09 at 12:47pm

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
Except Nick, who always addressed her as "Olive". Now this could still be someone from the parallel universe, but it could also be a childhood nickname that Olivia no longer uses - or even remembers. I haven't seen anything that makes me think the parallel universe consists of dopplegangers.

Trying to see if I've got all this straight: Olivia was experimented on as a child, but has no memory of it and her sister wasn't part of the experiment. Do we know that they're biological sisters? If one or both were adpoted, Olivia could have been part of the experiment and placed with her family later. (In which case "Olive" may have been her original name and "Olivia" a close variant give to her later.)

Correct. It's her. Olivia = Olive and vice versa.

Correct - she has no memory of it and her sister was not a part of the same experimentation. I don't think we know an exact number, but I'd say her sister is about 6 years younger.

Olivia was WITH her family when she was experimented upon. She suspects her part in the experimentation due to a time line convergence - her dad was stationed in Florida when the experiments happened there. So, I'm assuming they are biological sisters.
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post #389 of 439
4/29/09 at 12:57pm

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"Midnight" sucked.

There was more filler in this episode than in a twinkie. Divorce stuff? It didn't even feel like a natural part of the episode. And, the standard monster of the week wasn't interesting - except for the 2 mad scientists working together and contemplating their souls.

Even the Bell give was not a big deal. We knew that was coming.

I think they're saving it up for the final 2 episodes.
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post #390 of 439
4/29/09 at 2:24pm

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I'm starting to confuse this show with Alias a little bit, since Sydney was also the subject of an experiment when she was a child and had also blacked it out. I wonder if there's any connection there, or if it's just a coincidence.
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