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post #301 of 439
2/10/09 at 7:59pm

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Really great episode tonight. If the multiverse stoyline is indeed the central arc for the show, then Fringe has the potential to be truly amazing.
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post #302 of 439
2/10/09 at 8:10pm

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So is Walter the author of the manifesto? I wasn't paying that much attention at the end (my son was chatting). Also, I wonder if that wierd bald guy who is always at the scenes of strange events is the visitor from the other universe?

Also, any ideas what the German guy transformed into? And regarding this. We had another Lost communication moment. When Walter told Astrid that it doesn't kill them. Wouldn't you ask what does happen???
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post #303 of 439
2/10/09 at 8:17pm

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Originally Posted by todd s
Also, any ideas what the German guy transformed into? And regarding this. We had another Lost communication moment. When Walter told Astrid that it doesn't kill them. Wouldn't you ask what does happen???

I'm not sure it's the same with Walter--I doubt any character on the show expects anything *less* than a cryptic non-answer, most of the time
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post #304 of 439
2/10/09 at 8:18pm

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So is Walter the author of the manifesto? I wasn't paying that much attention at the end (my son was chatting).

It turns out that the strange y positioning in the manifesto (it was slightly above the rest of the line) was identical to what Walter's typewriter produced, so all signs point to yes.
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post #305 of 439
2/11/09 at 12:12am

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So is Walter the author of the manifesto?
Walter or someone in the lab. I know Bell was one of his associates, but I don't remember if Bell was in the lab itself... it might have been Bell, not Walter (bearing in mind that Bell's company, Massive Dynamic, appears to be positioned at the vanguard of any "army").
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post #306 of 439
2/11/09 at 12:45am

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"Oh, dear God. That is putrid. On a separate topic, do you like coffee cake?"
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post #307 of 439
2/11/09 at 7:10am
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I really enjoyed last nights episode (I think probably one of the best) and feel that it helped move the show forward in a very positive way. I've now put this show below Chuck but definitely above Heroes. If it continues this way I may have to put it above Chuck.

And I simply cannot get enough of Walter. His lines are some of the best.
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post #308 of 439
2/11/09 at 8:02am

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Again my theory is proven correct. Everytime Walter is discussing or doing something gross. He gets hungry.
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post #309 of 439
2/11/09 at 9:07am

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Liked the episode although I missed a lot of it because my father called about halfway into the show!!!

Am I correct saying the next new episode isn't til April???

Jay
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post #310 of 439
2/11/09 at 9:50am

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Am I correct saying the next new episode isn't til April???
Yeah. My guess is April 1 and that would put the season finale on May 13. Normally, I'd guess that May 20 would be when the finale would run but the American Idol finale is probably on for 7 hours that night.

You can catch the episode on fox.com and then if your dad calls again, you can pause it.
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post #311 of 439
2/12/09 at 3:39am

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Originally Posted by Craig P
Walter or someone in the lab. I know Bell was one of his associates, but I don't remember if Bell was in the lab itself... it might have been Bell, not Walter (bearing in mind that Bell's company, Massive Dynamic, appears to be positioned at the vanguard of any "army").

Walter could have had that typewriter since he was an undergraduate - hell, from the look of it, it could be a hand-me-down from his father - so the only thing we know for sure is that the manifesto was typed on this particular machine. (BTW, is this the original manifesto, or just a copy? The title of the document is in German, and the implication is that it was "self-published" in Germany, but the typescript Peter found - which he says was never published - is in English. I believe he also described it as a copy. That would imply that someone used Walter's typewriter to type up the English translation, and not necessarily compose the manifesto itself. Or am I Massively Misremembering?)

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We had another Lost communication moment. When Walter told Astrid that it doesn't kill them. Wouldn't you ask what does happen???

Maybe she did, after taking a second or two to absorb what Walter had just said. As I recall, the camera cut away almost immediately to Olivia in the hospital her suspenseful walk to the hospital room and the reveal of what the tranformation enabled Jones to do. From a storytelilng standpoint it certainlyl made more sense to go with the cut than it did to stay with Walter talking about what it did.

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Again my theory is proven correct. Everytime Walter is discussing or doing something gross. He gets hungry.

I thought of your post as soon as Olivia asked Walter what his second thought about the faceless man was, and he said, "Coffee cake."

Regards,

Joe
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post #312 of 439
2/12/09 at 9:06am

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Just a fyi. In the rumor mill of The Digital Bits: Celebrating Film on Disc - DVD & Blu-ray they mention that this show is being prepped for a dvd release later this year.
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post #313 of 439
2/12/09 at 10:33am

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Walter could have had that typewriter since he was an undergraduate - hell, from the look of it, it could be a hand-me-down from his father - so the only thing we know for sure is that the manifesto was typed on this particular machine. (BTW, is this the original manifesto, or just a copy? The title of the document is in German, and the implication is that it was "self-published" in Germany, but the typescript Peter found - which he says was never published - is in English. I believe he also described it as a copy. That would imply that someone used Walter's typewriter to type up the English translation, and not necessarily compose the manifesto itself. Or am I Massively Misremembering?)

Nope. You are utterly and completely correct.

Walter discovering that this copy was typed on his typewriter does not mean or suggest Walter wrote the manifesto, but it certainly implies that he is/was involved enough in the 'war' and the ZFT enough that he wrote a full tranlation copy of it.

I'm now officially loving this show. Not only do we have the fun weekly/episodic recipe of weird science combined with Pacey's attitude and Walter's priceless moments. We now have a full on weird science war raging across time and multiverse.

My biggest question now is - who is the Watcher? Is he from the 'other' planet/universe/sect that the manifesto says will win? Is he an arbiter/referee? There are now so many cool possibilities...
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post #314 of 439
2/12/09 at 12:19pm

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This episode has definitely kicked the show into high gear.

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My biggest question now is - who is the Watcher? Is he from the 'other' planet/universe/sect that the manifesto says will win? Is he an arbiter/referee? There are now so many cool possibilities...

Ready for a harebrained theory?

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Everybody's assuming the Manifesto is from our universe. What if it is actually from the other universe, the one that's almost the same as ours? The Others think we're going to win the competition. So they come up with a defesnive plan. But someone on our side gets a copy of it, and uses its contents to develop the drug and create an army to counter the one the other guys are creating. From the point of view of the Others, that would make us the bad guys.


Regards,

Joe
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post #315 of 439
2/12/09 at 1:30pm

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^^^ I can't wait to meet Alter-Walter.
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post #316 of 439
2/12/09 at 2:07pm

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Originally Posted by Joe_H
It turns out that the strange y positioning in the manifesto (it was slightly above the rest of the line) was identical to what Walter's typewriter produced, so all signs point to yes.
I don't think it is our Walter who produced it, but parallel Walter.
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post #317 of 439
2/12/09 at 4:02pm

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^^^ I can't wait to meet Alter-Walter.

Really. Just how bizarre would Bizarro Walter be? (Of course, Bizarro Walter could be perfectly normal and rational, with highly-developed social skills.)

Regards,

Joe
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post #318 of 439
2/15/09 at 11:53pm

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Originally Posted by todd s
So is Walter the author of the manifesto?
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Originally Posted by Joe_H
It turns out that the strange y positioning in the manifesto (it was slightly above the rest of the line) was identical to what Walter's typewriter produced, so all signs point to yes.
Didn't Walter have a lab partner? Could he be the author?
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post #319 of 439
2/16/09 at 5:46am

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Didn't Walter have a lab partner? Could he be the author?

As discussed above, the typescript Walter was looking at seems to be a copy - an English translation of a German original. So all we really know for sure is that the translation was typed on the machine that is now in Walter's lab. And yes, Walter did have a "lab partner" - the guy who went on to found Massive Dynamics.

Regards,

Joe
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post #320 of 439
2/16/09 at 8:59am

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
As discussed above, the typescript Walter was looking at seems to be a copy - an English translation of a German original. So all we really know for sure is that the translation was typed on the machine that is now in Walter's lab. And yes, Walter did have a "lab partner" - the guy who went on to found Massive Dynamics.

Regards,

Joe

I have since deleted the episode from my PVR, but did we ever get confirmation the original was in German? There's a possibility the original was in English, but with a German title.

Also, the scene with the typewriter at the end could also be viewed in a manner such that Walter recongized the offset "y," and went to check it himself, in a "oh...did *I* write this, and not remember doing so?"
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post #321 of 439
2/16/09 at 9:28am

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
As discussed above, the typescript Walter was looking at seems to be a copy - an English translation of a German original. So all we really know for sure is that the translation was typed on the machine that is now in Walter's lab. And yes, Walter did have a "lab partner" - the guy who went on to found Massive Dynamics.

And hasn't Dr Bell been missing or something? I mean he's always conveniently not around Massive Dynamics, that I guess I just sort of assume that they're covering for something.
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post #322 of 439
2/16/09 at 9:56am

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And hasn't Dr Bell been missing or something? I mean he's always conveniently not around Massive Dynamics, that I guess I just sort of assume that they're covering for something.

I think him not being seen is more of a gimmick. When they show him..I think the producers want to get a big name actor to portray him. Someone who would appear a couple of times. But, not be a regular.

My choice for Dr.Bell.....


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post #323 of 439
2/16/09 at 10:32am

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I don't know who that is, but he looks too much like Walter. Could lead to confusion.

My choice for Dr. Bell:

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post #324 of 439
4/6/09 at 7:31pm

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If anyone still remembers the show, it starts again tomorrow. While I think it's sorta crazy that they benched a first year show for nearly two months, I have to give credit to Fox for promoting its return and giving it American Idol as its lead-in.
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post #325 of 439
4/7/09 at 6:51am

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ah, thanks travis, i was about to ask when.

BTW any1 interested in this series will LOVE "the pattern" in of the TV series itself. i never even connected the dots that this series had all this stuff until i read this article:

Mad science and secret codes in the TV series Fringe - Ars Technica
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post #326 of 439
4/7/09 at 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by TravisR
If anyone still remembers the show, it starts again tomorrow. While I think it's sorta crazy that they benched a first year show for nearly two months, I have to give credit to Fox for promoting its return and giving it American Idol as its lead-in.
Some very good promotion during House and 24 last night.

Neil
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post #327 of 439
4/7/09 at 1:09pm

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The Pattern code is cracked

Solution to the Fringe Glyph Cipher

Ars cracks TV Fringe code - Ars Technica
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post #328 of 439
4/7/09 at 7:20pm

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American idol went some 8 minutes over. I couldn't believe it. Folks on the West Coast watch out! Fringe went to about 6 or 7 after the hour.

By the way, there was a new glyph tonight. It appeared that they spelled Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Walter
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post #329 of 439
4/7/09 at 7:30pm

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So what the hell is wrong with the fricking idiots at Fox that they can't finish American Crapfest on time. I mean it's not like they have too much quality music to cram into an hour! I had really been looking forward to the resumption of Fringe, but missing an episode pretty much blows the rest of the season. So when's the S1 DVD release???
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post #330 of 439
4/7/09 at 7:51pm

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Originally Posted by Dave Gorman
I had really been looking forward to the resumption of Fringe, but missing an episode pretty much blows the rest of the season.
The episode just started late but it did air. It's also available on Fox's website.
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