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post #31 of 104
11/15/08 at 9:45am

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Picked up Donald v.4 last night and I'm afraid that Disney took the cheap route again. They used old laserdisc transfers here like they did for Donald v.2and Rarities. These are cleaned up better than the last time they did this, but make no mistake, there are old transfers from the pre-DVD era.

Way to finish strong, Disney!

-R
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post #32 of 104
11/15/08 at 9:54am

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Originally Posted by Reagan
Picked up Donald v.4 last night and I'm afraid that Disney took the cheap route again. They used old laserdisc transfers here like they did for Donald v.2and Rarities. These are cleaned up better than the last time they did this, but make no mistake, there are old transfers from the pre-DVD era.

Way to finish strong, Disney!

-R

I thought Eisner was gone.
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post #33 of 104
11/15/08 at 10:51am

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These look nothing at all like the transfers on the Rarities set. The only mediocre title is "Working for Peanuts," which is overblown. Otherwise the transfers look excellent, sharp and with good shadow detail rather than the muddy mess typical of the old laserdisc transfers. Plus all 6 of the Cinemascope titles are anamorphic.
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post #34 of 104
11/15/08 at 1:32pm

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So, with this latest release, which Disney animated theatrical shorts haven't been released in the Treasures series? And, are they available elsewhere?
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post #35 of 104
11/15/08 at 6:11pm

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Originally Posted by Paul Penna
These look nothing at all like the transfers on the Rarities set. The only mediocre title is "Working for Peanuts," which is overblown. Otherwise the transfers look excellent, sharp and with good shadow detail rather than the muddy mess typical of the old laserdisc transfers. Plus all 6 of the Cinemascope titles are anamorphic.

Okay so it's not a total fiasco. The glass is half full.
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post #36 of 104
11/15/08 at 8:20pm

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Originally Posted by Paul Penna
These look nothing at all like the transfers on the Rarities set. The only mediocre title is "Working for Peanuts," which is overblown. Otherwise the transfers look excellent, sharp and with good shadow detail rather than the muddy mess typical of the old laserdisc transfers. Plus all 6 of the Cinemascope titles are anamorphic.

Yup - they could've reused the non-anamorphic "Grand Canyonscope" found on the 20,000 Leagues DVD, but they didn't.

I was pleased with the presentation of these shorts... :thumbsup:
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post #37 of 104
11/16/08 at 10:19am

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Yes, you get anamorphic on those six. And yes, they look better than Donald v. 2 and Rarities, but they are still old transfers that have been cleaned up. All of the other sets were based on new transfers - and they look much better.

Anamorphic issues aside, this is analogous to the original version of the star wars movies that came out two years ago. They had been processed to be the best they could be, but they were still the old masters from an early 1990 era transfer. Which left them lacking by today's standards.

Look, Disney is my favorite company. And when they're good, they're very good. But they took the cheap, easy route on Donald v. 4. And I'm disappointed by it.

-R
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post #38 of 104
11/16/08 at 10:40am

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One of the Donald shorts is cut. "Bee On Guard" is missing the ending. The entire short is on youtube.
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post #39 of 104
11/16/08 at 11:11am

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been watching donald 4 this morning and it looks as good as Donald 3 to me.
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post #40 of 104
11/16/08 at 11:24am

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I have yet to open any and all of the Treasures...someday!
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post #41 of 104
11/16/08 at 1:17pm

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I've gone back and checked out both Donald 2 (old transfers) and Donald 3 (new) and while 4 still strikes me as vast improvement over 2, most of the non-Cinemascope titles aren't quite up to the quality of Donald 3. In a nutshell, with Donald 2, as well as the rarities, quality issues are serious enough to be a constant irritant while I'm watching. Not so at all with Donald 4, except "Working for Peanuts," as previously mentioned.
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post #42 of 104
11/16/08 at 5:27pm

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the transfers are all beautiful (agreed "Working for Peanuts" is a minor exception) but nothing like wave 6 with the ultimately disappointing Rarities collection (most anticipated to date and what a shocking let-down!) and DDV2... I really wish Disney would've reissued those, as unrealistic as it is. They featured some of the most colorful and unique, graphically stunning and visually artful cartoons and sourced decade old video transfers that looked like worn out shit! This newest collection on the other hand, looks great I think and I see no reason for concern...
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post #43 of 104
11/16/08 at 7:26pm

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Well, I just hope it is only that one short that is cut. The full version is out there so it must have been an oversight.
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post #44 of 104
11/17/08 at 2:55am

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The weird thing about Working for Peanuts not looking as good as most of the other 50s shorts is that Disney went through a pretty thorough process of cleaning it up for presentation in digital 3-D, the results of which were on display when it played before the digital 3-D theatrical showings of Meet the Robinsons in Spring of 2007.

Due to how perfect that presentation looked, I was convinced that if nothing else, that was the one short that would have no presentation issues on this release. Sometimes I think that Disney's right hand does not know what their left hand is doing.

Regards,
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post #45 of 104
11/17/08 at 5:25am

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Originally Posted by Ken_McAlinden
Sometimes I think that Disney's right hand does not know wheat their left hand is doing.

Yes, my guess is that the new downconverted 'flat' digibeta master of working for peanuts was not stored with the other shorts, and when the dvd guys paged up all the tapes of these shorts, they got the older tape of Working for Peanuts rather than the newer one.
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post #46 of 104
11/17/08 at 9:10am

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Originally Posted by ScottR
Well, I just hope it is only that one short that is cut. The full version is out there so it must have been an oversight.


I can confirm that it is.

They can never get it 100% though, huh?
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post #47 of 104
11/17/08 at 10:04am

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Leonard Maltin had this to say on his website:

"I’m not yet sure what will be included in next year’s batch of Treasures but I have been assured that the series will continue, which is little short of a miracle given the fact that I was told it was all over several years ago. I’m eternally grateful to Dick Cook, President of The Walt Disney Company, for giving me the green light when I approached him with this idea nine years ago. It has truly been a labor of love."
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post #48 of 104
11/17/08 at 10:33am

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Now that the era of worrying about racism is over, and racism clearly doesn't hold that much of a threat to African-Americans any more, 2009's Treasures should, at long last, include "Song of the South."

If anything, the time is perfect for it, because it shows a black man who is the victim of older peoples' prejudices but whom all the children love. It's an anti-racist movie, not racist! And you don't need Whoopi Goldberg to explain that to you.
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post #49 of 104
11/17/08 at 10:36am

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^I don't know what thread it's in but Ron Epstein said that Song Of The South was brought up at the HTF meet this year and the Disney reps couldn't change the topic fast enough so I wouldn't hold my breath for a release.
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post #50 of 104
11/17/08 at 11:30am

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Just from skimming Donald Vol. 4, the CinemaScope cartoons look and sound great. Love the gimmicky stereo surround on Grand Canyonscope!
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post #51 of 104
11/17/08 at 12:43pm

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
Now that the era of worrying about racism is over, and racism clearly doesn't hold that much of a threat to African-Americans any more...
I cannot think of any other response that would not send this thread off course on the road to closeville, so I will just respond with a general: Huh?

Regards,
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post #52 of 104
11/17/08 at 4:31pm

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Maybe you didn't hear about it, but the U.S. elected an African-American as president a couple of weeks ago, so seriously, I doubt "Song of the South" will be much of a threat at this time.
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post #53 of 104
11/17/08 at 6:05pm

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Picked up Annette and Donald 4 from a DVDPlanet store. They didn't have any of Dr. Syn. They were told some story about they were only allowed one shipment of Dr. Syn.

Ended up buying it at Frys...in the drama section!
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post #54 of 104
11/17/08 at 9:47pm

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Every place I checked was sold out of Dr. Syn .... something funny about that.
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post #55 of 104
11/17/08 at 10:18pm

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
Maybe you didn't hear about it, but the U.S. elected an African-American as president a couple of weeks ago, so seriously, I doubt "Song of the South" will be much of a threat at this time.
I heard about that. The part about the era of worrying about racism being over and racism clearly not holding that much of a threat to African-Americans was the part that I had not heard about.

Regards,
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post #56 of 104
11/18/08 at 8:10am

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This is veering wildly off topic, obviously, but just because you haven't heard about something doesn't mean it isn't happening. Even Al Sharpton has discussed this. Making the case that the US is a racist country will be quite difficult now, with an African-American president.

Thus, my conclusion that something as mild as "Song of the South" can hold no threat in 21st Century America.
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post #57 of 104
11/18/08 at 9:30am

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
This is veering wildly off topic, obviously, but just because you haven't heard about something doesn't mean it isn't happening. Even Al Sharpton has discussed this. Making the case that the US is a racist country will be quite difficult now, with an African-American president.

Thus, my conclusion that something as mild as "Song of the South" can hold no threat in 21st Century America.
Previously you were talking about the era of racism being over/racism not being much of a threat to African Americans anymore. Now you are talking about whether or not the USA is a racist country (however that is quantified). Those are two different politically charged topics, neither of which were needed to make your main point which was that Song of the South is not an inherently racist film. I happen to agree with the latter point, and will not be discussing the former points on this forum or in this thread.

Regards,
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post #58 of 104
11/18/08 at 9:44am

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
Every place I checked was sold out of Dr. Syn .... something funny about that.

I've never seen Dr. syn on the shelves, I had to order it off Amazon.com, the Canadian version wasn't showing it in stock either.
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post #59 of 104
11/18/08 at 10:16am

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I'm wondering if Disney underestimated the demand for Dr. Syn. When I went to Best Buy last Tuesday afternoon, they had already sold out all three copies that they had gotten. I was able to get a rain check and took advantage of their 2 for $40 deal that way. But TBH I do not expect BB to get any more copies, so I went ahead and ordered it from Barnes & Noble instead... and got it cheaper that BB was selling it.

So if that raincheck does come in, I might be able to help a fellow out. At least, it may be a good investment.
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post #60 of 104
11/18/08 at 11:05am

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odd considering my local retailer has at least over 3 dozen copies on shelf...
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