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post #61 of 103
10/9/08 at 1:29pm

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Personally, I'm not using any logic involving TV on DVD anymore. I did get a kick out of the new adjective involved in naming the seasons, and figured it had something to do with all the copies of these episodes floating around on the market already.

But, Carab needed a quick, sarcastic explanation at 2AM, so there you have it.

Either way, I would still like to say that I would like to see that "official" season one some day by itself, and not just part of a complete series set, assuming the Hillbillies can make it that far.

Oh, and I would also guess that Petticoat Junction will be similarly titled because of the MPI and PD releases?
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post #62 of 103
10/9/08 at 2:11pm

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I'm guessing that they will go back and release the official season one later on down the line, like how they released the complete S1 of ILL later on after they learned from the volume debacle they started off w/.
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post #63 of 103
10/9/08 at 2:57pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Zimmer
I don't buy the explanation that "Official = Complete." It does make sense, though, since the series has been heavily bootlegged, to state that this is an official and authorized release. OTOH, it also unnecessarily casts aspersions at MPI's sets, which aren't boots but are in fact (at least as I understand it) public domain.
Technically MPI's releases are public domain, but are authorized by and produced in co-operation with the Henning estate, making them a huge cut above the other PD releases.


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Originally Posted by The Obsolete Man
Oh, and I would also guess that Petticoat Junction will be similarly titled because of the MPI and PD releases?
Yes. I expect to have more PJ news to post in the next day or two, by the way, so look for it.
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post #64 of 103
10/10/08 at 6:07am

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Originally Posted by chadHobbick
I'm guessing that they will go back and release the official season one later on down the line, like how they released the complete S1 of ILL later on after they learned from the volume debacle they started off w/.

I hope so. Another problem that CBS/P may have with this is that the general tv-dvd buying public will not buy a S2 set without first buying a S1 set. People like to buy them in order. And since a "season 1" set does not yet exist and since joe shmoe dvd buyer (the impulse buyers who don't frequent these forums) does not know or care that all of the s1 episodes are available through the various pd releases, most will look a the S2 set, scratch their head and say "where's season 1?" Then they will put it back and not pay $35-$40 for a S2 until they can find a seaons 1 set.

I can't think of any other series that released sets out of order other than Make Room For Daddy, and show like Frasier and Law & Order that released their then current seasons. I don't think it will fly with the general public.
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post #65 of 103
10/10/08 at 7:07am

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...and that may be what kills the Hillbillies on DVD for all of us.

In checking out Amazon (which I know isn't necessarily the be-all end-all of sales), the Hillbillies are somewhere in the 2000s as far as sales rank, and the related searches include "Beverly Hillbillies season 1".

Successful DVD sets are usually a lot higher than the 2000s, and the fact that people are searching for season 1 and not finding it might, as was said above, kill sales for season 2.

Hopefully, this all turns out to be baseless, defeatist speculation on my part, and season 3 comes along in a short time. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
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post #66 of 103
10/10/08 at 10:24am

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CBS should have done a box set with all of Season 1 and 2.
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post #67 of 103
10/10/08 at 11:09am

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Someone needs to post on the Amazon page for S2 of the Bevely Hillbillies what is going on and that you can purchase the the S1 episodes through the other release by listing that title for them to search for. It will help everybody out in the end.
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post #68 of 103
10/10/08 at 11:33am

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Originally Posted by DeWilson
CBS should have done a box set with all of Season 1 and 2.

Wouldn't that be 72 episodes? That's an awful lot for a set and would eliminate impulse buys.
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post #69 of 103
10/10/08 at 7:16pm

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I have to say, after watching some of the episodes from this set today, I'm happier than a gopher in soft dirt. Great quality and nice little extras. And I didn't notice any music replacement. I believe this show has escaped the subbed music fate.

Gary "the only issue I have with this set is a minor one - the front cover art. It looks even worse in person than it did online, LOL" O.
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post #70 of 103
10/10/08 at 7:55pm

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Well, if season 2 does tank maybe CBS/P will realize it is because of the absense of a season 1 set, and then go ahead and release it.
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post #71 of 103
10/13/08 at 7:41am

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Originally Posted by Tony S
Well, if season 2 does tank maybe CBS/P will realize it is because of the absense of a season 1 set, and then go ahead and release it.

If they release Season one the series will obviously tank since most of the hardcore fans already have season one on the MPI release and are not willing to double dip so that would leave mainly impulse buys which would not be enough to make them continue the series. So the right move was to start with Season two and move on to Season three and beyond. When they finish Season nine they will probably re-do season one just for the complete box set.
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post #72 of 103
10/13/08 at 10:50pm

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Oh, what a tangled web. Remember when everyone was certain that the show would be all straightened out once it began getting legitimate releases ? The reality is that the non-public domain sets are almost as confusing as the PD sets were. Especially for people who are casual fans and can't figure out why there are so many sets of the same episodes from so many different companies. It's very confusing and irritating when you can't just get them a season at a time like most series.

It's more confusing than trying to figure out why Jed calls Jethro his nephew when they're actually cousins via Jed's Cousin Pearl. Or why Jethro & Pearl call Granny "Granny" even though they're technically not related.
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post #73 of 103
10/14/08 at 2:14am

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I bet you somewhere one of these 7 remaining sets will have sythesized music.
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post #74 of 103
10/14/08 at 6:55am

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Originally Posted by Randy Korstick
If they release Season one the series will obviously tank since most of the hardcore fans already have season one on the MPI release and are not willing to double dip so that would leave mainly impulse buys which would not be enough to make them continue the series. So the right move was to start with Season two and move on to Season three and beyond. When they finish Season nine they will probably re-do season one just for the complete box set.

I dunno. For one thing the vast majority of tv-dvd sets are bought by casual fans. As for the HC fans, most probably wont double dip, but a lot will for the better pq.
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post #75 of 103
10/14/08 at 9:17am

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I own both the MPI Beverly Hillbillies releases, but I would double dip if they released S1.

I loved that MPI included the cigarette commercials, w/a proper psa warning before hand I think they should be included, even on the Flintstones releases.

Of course w/this being CBS/Paramount all the good extras, the tv movies/movie would be included w/the complete series they will release
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post #76 of 103
10/14/08 at 9:29am

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Originally Posted by chadHobbick
I loved that MPI included the cigarette commercials, w/a proper psa warning before hand I think they should be included, even on the Flintstones releases.

You won't see many studios leave the commercials in shows like this. Legally every single one of them has to be cleared - even if the company no longer exists but somebody still owns the brand.

It's too bad, because there are a lot of masters out there with amazing commercials from the 60s, 70s and 80s.
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post #77 of 103
10/14/08 at 9:53am

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Originally Posted by David Rain
It's more confusing than trying to figure out why Jed calls Jethro his nephew when they're actually cousins via Jed's Cousin Pearl. Or why Jethro & Pearl call Granny "Granny" even though they're technically not related.

They really were confused themselves about that. There are several instances where it's clear the writers think that Granny is Jethro's grandmother -- when, in reality, she's not related to him at all.

Unless -- in the hills, intermarriage might be common, and maybe Jed's wife was his cousin. They might have been implying that without coming right out and saying so.

Another mystery is: Did Jed's late wife -- a woman whose widower husband and bereaved mother and daughter barely ever discuss -- look more like her mother or her daughter? There's quite a difference there!
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post #78 of 103
10/14/08 at 12:01pm

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
Another mystery is: Did Jed's late wife -- a woman whose widower husband and bereaved mother and daughter barely ever discuss -- look more like her mother or her daughter? There's quite a difference there!
I can actually answer this!

I just started watching the MPI sets, and in the second episode, Jed mentions that Elly Mae is looking more like her mother every day. He also mentioned that she died when Elly Mae was very young, and he regretted raising her as a boy. Since Elly looks like she's entering her 20s, the death happened a long time ago.

You know, I like those genuine heartfelt moments in the show. Helps balance out the silliness.
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post #79 of 103
10/14/08 at 4:58pm

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Originally Posted by Tim Tucker

I can actually answer this!

I just started watching the MPI sets, and in the second episode, Jed mentions that Elly Mae is looking more like her mother every day.

Then we're left with the mystery of how scrawny Granny had a daughter and granddaughter who looked like that!
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post #80 of 103
10/14/08 at 6:09pm

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Personally, I never had a problem with that. My own grandmother looked a lot like Granny. She was born in 1912 and worked on a farm for most of her life. Her daughters were more attractive than her, and her granddaughters even more so. That's the wonder of genetics.

Even so, Jed's side of the family must have some mighty powerful genes.
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post #81 of 103
10/14/08 at 6:42pm

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Got my set today with the lovely gray-faced discs you can't read without direct light on them. On the plus side, I got out my magnifying glass so I could read the episode guide insert and it looks like there are some great episodes in this set.

I got this used; am I correct in assuming that this cancels out a sale off CBS/Paramount's records?

PS - I got the new Indy movie and it's not grayed out--the disc has color art, thank God. So it's not a mandate across the board.
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post #82 of 103
10/14/08 at 8:12pm

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Originally Posted by David Levine
You won't see many studios leave the commercials in shows like this. Legally every single one of them has to be cleared - even if the company no longer exists but somebody still owns the brand..

Guess the studios never heard of "Fair Use"
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post #83 of 103
10/14/08 at 9:11pm

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Originally Posted by DeWilson
Guess the studios never heard of "Fair Use"

They have, but it doesn't apply. If the commercials are owned by somebody (or if they use a song that's owned by somebody), it's a lawsuit you aren't going to win.

Companies are very protective of their brands. There are many, many companies that have people on the payroll that only look for unauthorized use of their product - whether its running a commercial or their trademark appears in a background or an unauthorized product placement, whatever.

That's why you'll generally only find some of the smaller or PD companies risk it. They are either small enough to fly under the radar, or they aren't worth the time/money to go after.

It's too bad. We've had to remove some GREAT commercials from some of our Game Show releases for that very reason.

A 2nd example. We really wanted to include all the old He-Man toy commercials on the DVDs. We had access to the commercials, and Mattel had no problem with the *idea*, but none of the music or talent from 30 years ago were cleared for this usage, and it turned out we were looking at 10,000-25,000 dollars FOR EACH COMMERCIAL for clearances.

The only exception that I'm aware of is if a company sponsored an episode and that was built into the program - like having the Kellogs logo beneath the panelists on To Tell the Truth, for example.
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post #84 of 103
10/14/08 at 11:06pm

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
Unless -- in the hills, intermarriage might be common, and maybe Jed's wife was his cousin. They might have been implying that without coming right out and saying so.

I don't think Jed and his late wife were cousins. I believe in one episode Jed describes meeting her and wanting to marry her. I think her name is Rose Ellen. Granny's real name is Daisy Moses but it's never clear if that's her married or maiden name. She sometimes talks about having come from the Moses family which makes me think that's the name of her original family and not her married name. Granny mentions her own grandmother once in a while but seems to never talk about her late husband / Rose Ellen's father.

Apparently Jed & Granny's families knew each other from a long time before. In one episode, Granny says she helped raise Pearl but there never seems to be any explanation about the rest of Pearl's family including her clearly dead husband. Pearl disappears after the first season so there was no real reason to bring it up again after that.

Despite being obviously grown Elly May & Jethro are supposed to be mid-to-late teens at least when the show began. Jethro is still in school and Elly May is revealed to never have gone prior to the move to Beverly Hills. Their ages tend to go back and forth for the rest of the series depending on the plot of certain episodes. Perhaps the most amusing example is that Jethro is still being spanked (or threatened with it) long after he's grown.
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post #85 of 103
10/15/08 at 7:03am

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is there really a point in trying to straighten out the family tree? I don't think anyone cared that much on the show to keep it straight. Look at what a mess "The Odd Couple" is. They can't even get the story right on how Felix met Oscar.

Seeing how many CBS DVD titles are wrapping up this winter, I doubt they'll be abandoning the Beverly Hillbillies that fast. Plus it gets cable exposure with TVLand and WGN so they're making new fans instead of merely playing to a paying audience.
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post #86 of 103
10/15/08 at 7:15am

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You're right, David- Jed's wife was the late Rose Ellen Moses Clampett. Elly May's full name (according to a later color episode) is Elly May Margaret Clampett. Jed and Pearl (Jethro's mom) were first cousins, but Jethro called him "uncle".
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post #87 of 103
10/15/08 at 9:30am

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
Jed and Pearl (Jethro's mom) were first cousins, but Jethro called him "uncle".

Gee, I always thought Pearl was Jed's sister.
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post #88 of 103
10/15/08 at 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
They really were confused themselves about that. There are several instances where it's clear the writers think that Granny is Jethro's grandmother -- when, in reality, she's not related to him at all.

Unless -- in the hills, intermarriage might be common, and maybe Jed's wife was his cousin. They might have been implying that without coming right out and saying so.

Another mystery is: Did Jed's late wife -- a woman whose widower husband and bereaved mother and daughter barely ever discuss -- look more like her mother or her daughter? There's quite a difference there!

In South America, your parent's cousin is considered your uncle/aunt...not sure about other parts of the world. Perhaps it's the same in the "hills".

Following that reason, then Granny would be Jethro's great aunt.

In any event, Jethro is related to Jed via his cousin Pearl, just a matter of what label to place.... cousin or uncle.

BTW, I assume the whole clan refers to Granny as "Granny" since she appears to be the clan's matriarch.
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post #89 of 103
10/15/08 at 7:49pm

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Granny isn't Jethro's grandmother, great aunt or anything -- Jethro is related to Jed, and Granny is Jed's mother-in-law, not mother. (Unless, as I said before, we're supposed to understand that everyone in the hills is related to everyone else because they're all cousins.)

I, too, always thought that Pearl was Jed's sister, not cousin (although, if their parents were cousins, they could be both!) I have a vague memory that he referred to her as his sister early in the series, but I wouldn't swear to it.

I don't lay awake nights worrying about these things, but I always think it's fun to think about them.
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post #90 of 103
10/16/08 at 2:59am

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The episode GRANNY'S GARDEN (I think that's the title, on disc one) had some jarring in's and out's to black...the episode seemed complete, though. Does anyone know what's up with that.
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