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Last week was not a particularly happy one here at A Few Words... headquarters.

Viewing Patton on a decent size home theater screen left me with the feeling that we're headed for troubled territory with more people who don't know how to use DNR, and lop off all of the high frequency information in their golden quest to eradicate grain and achieve cleanliness.

And I was ready for more of the same with The Professionals.

I was truly hopeful that The Professionals, created by some of the top talent in the business c. 1966, would survive the onslaught of well-meaning grain rapers and turn out to be at the very least...

viewable.

It wasn't.

I recall viewing a borrowed 35mm dye transfer print in the very room that I now view home video fodder. It had great color, wonderful rich shadow detail and blacks, and a comfortable table of grain moving gracefully over silken smooth high resolution images.

Allow me to be short and to the point.

The new Blu-Ray DVD of The Professionals from Columbia / Sony isn't just "viewable." It doesn't just get by as a new Blu-Ray release.

Not by a long shot.

Everything that was so woefully wrong with Patton, which held 2 1/2 times the information -- two and one half times! --

is so brilliantly correct with The Professionals.

It has taken on the look of a true 35mm print.

I firmly believe that were they together in a room viewing this disc, Mr. Brooks, Mr. Lancaster, Mr. Marvin, Mr. Ryan, Mr. Strode, Mr. Palance, Mr. Bellamy and Mr. Jarre would be thrilled with the representation of their film as carried by the tiny, yet powerfully miraculous Blu-Ray disc.

Allow me to firmly make my point.

Everything that Patton does to harm the image of Blu-Ray as a system is turned on its head by The Professionals.

This is a true reference disc for films of the 1960s.

It shows clearly the image capabilities of the Blu-Ray system.

The men and women behind the creation of this release are the new video Professionals.

Blu-Ray poster child?

Add one more to the wall.

The Professionals is a great western; a great film...

and a truly superb Blu-Ray disc.

"What's the trick, then?"

The trick General Patton, is to look like film, to allow actors to act, to look human, and not look like wax dummies!

And The Professionals succeeds in spades!

I couldn't be more thrilled!

My only hope is that whatever entity did the "clean-up" work on Patton can get a copy of this disc quickly, will watch it, and learn from it.

Extremely Highly Recommended.

RAH

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post #2 of 75

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Sold! In my view, this is one of the best scripted westerns of all time. Brooks is at his peak here. Thanks Robert!
post #3 of 75

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Two words. THANK YOU SONY!


Okay it's three words.


Oh and thank you Mr. Harris.

Doug
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I am so happy about this - The Professionals was aired in HD in Europe and it looked very promising, as did two other Columbia titles that I had the opportunity to watch, I am sure we are in for more treats from Sony.

Now don't ask me how that one Fox title looked that I saw there
post #5 of 75

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Heh, heh, heh. Ordered!

Thanks, RAH! "Few", but brilliant words.


Cees
post #6 of 75

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Mr Harris, thanks for your review. i seem to remember a problem with the previous DVD release in the day for night scenes, have these been corrected for this release?

Regards

M
post #7 of 75

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You had me going there for a bit! I was about ready to head off on the "colorfu" rant I've been trying so hard to keep at bay. Thanks for the review and thanks to Sony for doing this release right!
post #8 of 75

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Can't resist - another must-buy!

Disappointed to say I can't find it at either DeepDiscount or DVDplanet, who are having their 20% off sales.
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Thanks for the words Mr. Harris.

Because of them, "The Professionals" has been ordered.

Paul
post #10 of 75

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Damn. Now I have to add another title to my "blu" list. And I don't even have a player yet.
post #11 of 75

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So it only took RAH's seal of approval before others decided to buy this great film on Blu-ray?






Crawdaddy
post #12 of 75

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^ Not for me! I like this one a lot, definitely one of my favorite westerns. Time to retire the SD it sounds like.
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RAH approval has not yet steered me wrong (and I haven't seen this one before, so it will likely be a blind buy unless I can find a rental copy first).
post #14 of 75

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Added to my shopping list.
post #15 of 75

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I watched this movie for the first time Wednesday night, and I throughly enjoyed it. As mentioned previously, there are some really great lines in this movie, and I found the story to be very engaging as well. Of course, it doesn't hurt that Lee Marvin is in the film, as he is one of my favorites. I sure wish Warner Bros. would put Point Blank on Blu-ray Disc.

My only complaint about this release would be the ugly computer-generated subtitles, and the fact that they aren't placed within the frame. The placement isn't a huge deal to me, as I don't have a 2.35:1 screen or anything, but I feel for those who do, and I thought one of the advantages of BD was the ability to change the location of subtitles, but either it has never been taken advantage of, or I don't know how to do it.
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A gorgeous presentation of a great Western. Is there a filmmaker working today (other than maybe Sidney Lumet) who would have the confidence to construct a masterly sequence like the assault on the hacienda? All that tense deliberate build-up with no dialogue? Would the studio execs leave it alone? Would audiences sit still for it? I don't know, but for me it still works.

M.
post #17 of 75

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Is there a filmmaker working today (other than maybe Sidney Lumet) who would have the confidence to construct a masterly sequence like the assault on the hacienda? All that tense deliberate build-up with no dialogue?

I believe his name is Paul Thomas Anderson.

But yes, it is a great sequence in a great film. Really happy to hear that folks are watching and enjoying this film. I had a great experience watching the Blu-ray release last week.

- Walter.
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Originally Posted by Walter Kittel
I had a great experience watching the Blu-ray release last week.
It astounds me how a 42 year old movie can be preserved as well as this film looks. Either that or a near perfect restoration. Wonder if it was in someone's perfectly climate-controlled private collection?

Paul
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Originally Posted by Walter Kittel
I believe his name is Paul Thomas Anderson.
If you're thinking of the opening sequence of There Will Be Blood, I wouldn't call them comparable. That's right at the beginning, when you're introducing the central character and his world. What's so impressive about that sequence is that I think a lot of people don't even realize nothing's been said for the first 10 minutes or so.

The hacienda assault in The Professionals is a different proposition. It's well into the movie, everything's been set up, and it comes at the point when the film is building toward a hight point and everyone worries about losing the audience. Also, once the audience gets used to hearing main characters talk, contemporary filmmakers worry when they're silent for too long. (Nicolas Cage refers to this in his commentary on The Rock.) It's been a while since I've seen Blood, but my recollection is that, once Daniel starts talking, he rarely shuts up.

M.
post #20 of 75

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Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
A gorgeous presentation of a great Western. Is there a filmmaker working today (other than maybe Sidney Lumet) who would have the confidence to construct a masterly sequence like the assault on the hacienda? All that tense deliberate build-up with no dialogue? Would the studio execs leave it alone? Would audiences sit still for it? I don't know, but for me it still works.

I can speak only for myself, but the assault sequence is so riveting that I didn't even take notice of the fact that there is no dialogue.
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Not to ignite an acrimonious debate, but a quick perusal of reviews for this title has revealed to me a somewhat (though not perfect) inverse relationship to the reviews of Patton. Those who praise this film's transfer are generally quite negative towards Patton on BD and vice versa. The level of criticism of this film has not reached the intensity of those who dislike the Patton transfer, but the source of more to less critical reviews appears like a mirror image.

This suggests, to me anyway, that studios will hedge their bets (in the aggregate--there will certainly continue to be exceptions) in light of such a split opinion (especially if it continues) and "side" with the more "popular" opinion.
post #22 of 75

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Michael, yes I was thinking about There Will Be Blood.

I'll concede that the sequences are different, but in terms of directorial confidence I believe my choice was still valid.

- Walter.
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It's hard to understand what some reviewers are looking at. This is Joshua Zyber at HighDefDigest:

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'The Professionals' received an Oscar nomination for Conrad Hall's stately 2.35:1 cinematography, which is reproduced in this 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 transfer with a mixture of both strengths and weaknesses. In the positives, the film has a dusty color scheme with some striking hues subtly mixed in for effect, and every shade is crisply rendered here. Mild film grain is adequately digitized without turning noisy. The contrast range is well balanced in both the bright daytime scenes and the frequent day-for-night shots, which have plenty of shadow detail. While the film rarely has the three-dimensional "pop" sought after by home theater junkies, close-ups and medium shots exhibit a pleasing amount of detail and film-like texture.

Unfortunately, undercutting these attributes is the nearly constant presence of edge halo artifacts throughout the movie. The problem is pretty ghastly at first, with bright ringing outlines around any object or person highlighted against the sky. It tones down after a while, but never entirely goes away. Wide shots are also lacking in detail and clarity in comparison to closer shots.
"Edge halo artifacts"? I must have missed that.

Zyber didn't review Patton; so I don't really see an inverse relationship, but if I were a studio, I'd just throw up my hands, stop reading internet reviews, hire the best film preservationists in the business and let them do their job.

M.
post #24 of 75

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I believe that there was a minute amount of haloing on the top surface of the train against the sky in the early moments of the film, but this was the only sequence that called attention to itself (during my viewing.) I certainly did not see pervasive haloing throughout the runtime of the feature.

- Walter.
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
I watched this movie for the first time Wednesday night, and I throughly enjoyed it. As mentioned previously, there are some really great lines in this movie, and I found the story to be very engaging as well. Of course, it doesn't hurt that Lee Marvin is in the film, as he is one of my favorites. I sure wish Warner Bros. would put Point Blank on Blu-ray Disc.

My only complaint about this release would be the ugly computer-generated subtitles, and the fact that they aren't placed within the frame. The placement isn't a huge deal to me, as I don't have a 2.35:1 screen or anything, but I feel for those who do, and I thought one of the advantages of BD was the ability to change the location of subtitles, but either it has never been taken advantage of, or I don't know how to do it.
The only black stain on an otherwise fine release- but it's a big stain for me because I do have a 2.35 screen set-up. I haven't checked yet, but I don't remember having a problem with the subs on the first dvd release of this. If there isn't an issue there, I'll likely just go back to watching that from now on. Quite disappointing actually.(I don't know about previous Bd titles, but the ability to change size and position was an HD DVD feature on all the titles I have. Maybe someday Blu-ray can develop the same advanced technology. May need to add another profile first though)
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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
(I don't know about previous Bd titles, but the ability to change size and position was an HD DVD feature on all the titles I have. Maybe someday Blu-ray can develop the same advanced technology. May need to add another profile first though)

I didn't realize that this feature was available on all HD DVD's with subtitles. I only recently noticed it on Studio Canal's UK Brotherhood of the Wolf HD DVD because there was a Subtitles tutorial. I wonder if there are some on BD releases that we're just not aware of because the feature has been poorly advertised?
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Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
It's hard to understand what some reviewers are looking at. This is Joshua Zyber at HighDefDigest:


"Edge halo artifacts"? I must have missed that.

Zyber didn't review Patton; so I don't really see an inverse relationship, but if I were a studio, I'd just throw up my hands, stop reading internet reviews, hire the best film preservationists in the business and let them do their job.

M.
I read that review yesterday and decided not to comment on it unless somebody else brought it up here. Of course, I disagree with Zyber's review and I'm very happy with this release. Furthermore, his review of the movie itself is lacking to me which isn't surprising since I think so highly of this film.






Crawdaddy
post #28 of 75

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I don't recall many halos either, but again I wonder if this might not be a function me having a smaller display (50"). Perhaps these details are more obvious on larger displays or when projected onto a screen?
post #29 of 75

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
I don't recall many halos either, but again I wonder if this might not be a function me having a smaller display (50"). Perhaps these details are more obvious on larger displays or when projected onto a screen?
I have a 72" screen. RAH uses a front projection system. So I don't think that's the issue.

M.
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Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
A gorgeous presentation of a great Western. Is there a filmmaker working today (other than maybe Sidney Lumet) who would have the confidence to construct a masterly sequence like the assault on the hacienda? All that tense deliberate build-up with no dialogue? Would the studio execs leave it alone? Would audiences sit still for it? I don't know, but for me it still works.

M.

To be honest, I wouldn't think of Lumet at all in this case. How many films has he done that haven't been mostly dialogue based?? In the case of The Wiz, he shot a dance sequence from afar, and from behind. He's had some interesting, isolated, visuals occasionally, but not a full sequence.

On the other hand, and this is certainly debatable, one director immediately came to mind when you asked the question: Blake Edwards. He's certainly shown over many films that he's a master at physical comedy, and this requires a great visual sense of scene. I think he could have pulled it off.
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