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post #841 of 1043
7/22/08 at 5:48pm

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Shakespeare wrote "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" more than 500 years ago so I don't know if lawyers are a new 'problem'.

Let's not kill ALL the lawyers (my aunt is one). Let's just disbar the ones that have allowed this problem to grow like a cancer throughout the entertainment industry. The music industry would charge you for a song that got stuck in your head.

Thanks for the addresses. I'll be writing to Paramount because I have enough bones to pick with them to form a human skeleton.
post #842 of 1043
7/22/08 at 6:43pm
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Stephen Bowie wrote, "Heyes did a bad job."

Well, now that you mention it...
post #843 of 1043
7/22/08 at 10:55pm

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DeWilson, yes, that's what I meant by stretching, but the software I tried to use left artifacts--I'm hoping a friend has some better software. But heck, if it's that easy, I'm more than willing to send you my two sources in WAV on compact discs. Over 51 minutes there is a 5 minute differential. Just let me know.

I sadly lack the skill to do it justice - this was a trick originally used by Mark Ayres of The DOCTOR WHO RESTORATION TEAM when restoring the audio of the lost Dr.WHO episodes.

Since the audio exist as off-air recordings from the 1960's - Different reel-to-reel recorders never are exactly the same speed,and he used the speed and pitch method to get the proper running time - using the theme music or other known pieces of music to get it right.

I don't recall what software he used - but his audio restoration work is simply amazing.
post #844 of 1043
7/23/08 at 12:08am
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My first DVD is complete. It is a 4.03GB DVD-5 containing the new transfers of MAN IN A CHARIOT and ESCAPE INTO BLACK. Each episode has the optional Barry Morse introduction available as special features. I did a graphic with music and you can PLAY ALL or pick from a menu of individual selections. Sync is 98%. I stopped fussing over the rubbery plus-minus two frames when I realized to my astonishment that the sync isn't perfect in the original mixes. The sound varies; in spots hiss is more or less noticeable, in other spots I was able to import the restored audio. They're not perfect, but until such time as CBS/Paramount gets its act together, these will damn well do. Picture quality is unchanged, which makes the tradeoff in signal to noise ratio acceptable, at least to me.

I have a good source for WORLD'S END and am still crossing my fingers on CRY UNCLE. Hopefully that will be the next 2-episode disc--a project for August. Unless some miracle with my sources happens, however, I'm not sure where to go after the next disc is finished.

Still, no matter what, my two favorite episodes from the bastardized set have been corrected.

Bring on the dancing girls!
post #845 of 1043
7/25/08 at 4:04am
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post #846 of 1043
7/29/08 at 5:44am

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It looks like RTN is no longer airing The Fugitive. They have taken it out of their program line up, at least on the website.
post #847 of 1043
7/29/08 at 7:55am

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It looks like RTN is no longer airing The Fugitive. They have taken it out of their program line up, at least on the website.

The Sitcoms Online website has recently reported that the RTN Networks have recently dumped all the CBS-Paramount shows and are pretty much using all Universal shows now in their lineups across the country.
post #848 of 1043
7/29/08 at 2:06pm

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Too bad about the CBS/Paramount shows leaving the RTN. They were some of the best shows on there. Maybe if the network ever goes national, some will return.
post #849 of 1043
7/30/08 at 1:13am
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I've seen in two places on the Internet the rumor that season two volume two is due out in November, with rescored music, which, if true, would imply season two volume one ain't gonna be fixed.

I originally posted this rumor a week ago but deleted the post because I couldn't get any kind of confirmation or even an alleged source. I post it now only because I saw the rumor in a second place, which of course doesn't mean it's any more reliable than it was a week ago (because now the unsubstantiated rumor is in at least three places, given this post, and that makes it no more credible than it was).
post #850 of 1043
7/30/08 at 5:10am

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I'd be very surprised if the DVDs were fixed with the original scores. Paramount has obviously decided to go this route, and once those kind of corporate decision are made, they are rarely reversed. Along with the rest of you, I continue to hope.
post #851 of 1043
7/30/08 at 5:57am

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I'd be very surprised if the DVDs were fixed with the original scores. Paramount has obviously decided to go this route, and once those kind of corporate decision are made, they are rarely reversed. Along with the rest of you, I continue to hope.

LIke you, I think a fix for S2, volume 1 is unlikely. However, I do think there is a chance they might reverse their policy for future releases, given the outcry over what was done. If there were a delay in the release of that second S2 volume, that might be a good sign.

Remember the outrage over the cropped widescreen on Kung Fu Season One? The studio never fixed that release, but they did make sure the future releases were in the original (correct) aspect ratio.
post #852 of 1043
7/30/08 at 7:11am

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If they feel they *have* to re-score S2, V2 I certainly -- and fervently -- hope that they *at least* mix in some of the Rugolo themes with the rescoring.

Not using any of the Rugolo themes originally composed for the underscore was a complete slap in the face to the fans of this series.
post #853 of 1043
7/30/08 at 9:27am

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Season 2 is probably shot. No way are they going to do a recall or not use the rescored music, given all the trouble they've gone to. Maybe there's a slim hope for Season 3 having the original scores, that is if they even decide to release season 3.

The only way I could see Season 2 being fixed is if they do a complete series box, as an incentive to get people to buy it. Even then, it's a slim hope all around.
post #854 of 1043
7/31/08 at 1:10am
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I bought all the NuVenture VHS shows and have been watching them on VHS. Sure they don't look as good as the DVDs, but it's nice to know my enjoyment of the show isn't diminished by the drop in picture quality--the episodes are complete and unaltered, and that's music to my ears.

I've been thinking about it and what resonates most strongly to me personally about the music is usually the sad strains of the epilogue as Kimble is forced to continue his lonely life. I can't imagine ending an episode without it.
post #855 of 1043
7/31/08 at 10:51am

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the sad strains of the epilogue as Kimble is forced to continue his lonely life. I can't imagine ending an episode without it.

I agree. I have been watching episodes from S1 and it's amazing how many ways that theme is used, played by all manner of different instruments. It's the heart and soul of the series. It recurs throughout each episode and is always meaningful.
post #856 of 1043
8/2/08 at 3:20am
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I've always been left a little confused by the end of WIFE KILLER. Kimble had Johnson alive and a witness to Johnson's confession. But when Gerard's sirens are on the way, Kimble loses his nerve. If Johnson alive and a witness to his confession isn't enough then, what does Kimble think will change in the future? Why is he bothering to keep running--to stay alive as a fugitive and be hunted the rest of his days? And if Kimble has no faith that Gerard can crack Johnson, then what's left? Never made a whole lot of sense to me.
post #857 of 1043
8/2/08 at 11:59am

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well obviously the series would've been over had WIFE KILLER done the things you suggest. But I agree with you. Also you'd think Gerard would've put out an all points alarm for Johnson after he escapes the hospital, and would've taken fingerprints etc. But perhaps this was the first "kink" in Gerard's armor...actually having seen a "one armed man" and heard from the reporter about his confession etc. Planting the first seeds of doubt in Gerard perhaps. And what happened to all the photos she took of Johnson in the camera Kevin McCarthy pocketed?
post #858 of 1043
8/2/08 at 12:55pm
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I always assumed she never published the photos because as Gerard said they would've proved she aided and abetted. But even that makes no sense, as she could've just said Kimble forced her. I know it's a fan favorite, but I think the writers let Kimble get too close too soon for this to have much plausibility. Only in IVY MAZE does he get closer and there you don't have these logic problems.
post #859 of 1043
8/2/08 at 2:19pm

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except Gerard once again sees Johnson momentarily as Kimble struggles with him and Johnson pushes Gerard out of the way as he escapes. Gerard thinks Kimble is "hounding" poor Johnson as a delusion. So again why wouldn't Gerard put out an APB for him...knowing it's the same guy from WIFE KILLER who assaulted the guy in the hospital and escaped? Wouldn't Gerard have thought it was suspicious for Johnson to be so eager to run?
post #860 of 1043
8/2/08 at 2:31pm
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The fascinating thing about Gerard is that sometimes he seems to believe Kimble is innocent and it doesn't matter because he's guilty under the law; other times Gerard seems to think Kimble killed his wife but that is the only murder he will ever do. I'm not sure how many times Kimble saved Gerard's life (too many and Gerard never seems quite sure what to make of it).

He saved his life in NEVER WAVE GOODBYE, in STROKE OF GENIUS, in THE EVIL MEN DO, in ILL WIND, and those are just the ones that come to mind. I think there were a couple of other times too.

I think by the end Gerard strongly suspects Kimble is innocent.
post #861 of 1043
8/2/08 at 6:49pm

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Kimble also saved Gerard's life in Corner of Hell.
post #862 of 1043
8/2/08 at 8:26pm
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You're right--probably there more than any other episode, too.
post #863 of 1043
8/5/08 at 3:37am
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I just watched my Nu Ventures VHS to DVD transfer of NEMESIS and wondered what other fans thought of the business with Phil Jr's football cards. Phil Jr. drops them to make a trail for his father to follow. Kimble takes the cards and remarks that Phil Jr. has no Johnny Unitas. In the tag, we see Kimble mailing the cards back to Phil Jr. and the card on top is a Unitas. I've always believed Kimble picked the discarded cards up off the ground as he walked along and added them to the stack he already had before mailing. Does anyone think Kimble actually got Phil Jr. a Unitas card on his own? I know Jim Brown was one of the cards Phil Jr. discarded. Was Unitas? Maybe it's clearer on the DVD.

Also, can anyone who has sat through the CBS/Paramount bastardized version of this episode tell me if it contains scenes cut from the 46:30 Nu ventures release or was it simply complete but time sped?
post #864 of 1043
8/5/08 at 8:11pm

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Kimble takes the cards and remarks that Phil Jr. has no Johnny Unitas. In the tag, we see Kimble mailing the cards back to Phil Jr. and the card on top is a Unitas.

Good catch there, David. I had never noticed that previously (and "Nemesis" is one of the episodes I've watched the most).

My guess is (as you suggested): Kimble bought Phil Jr. a Unitas card and put it on top of the stack before mailing the cards back to the youthful Gerard in Stafford, Indiana USA.

Even though Kimble and Phil Jr. were enemies [of a sort] during their backwoods Wisconsin adventure, I still feel that the doctor's good-natured side must always rise to the top--in the end. Therefore, I'd like to envision Kimble travelling to a local Woolworth's outlet (or a Rexall Drugstore) and purchasing a pack of Topps Football Cards for Philip Junior. And Kimble chewed the hideous-tasting stick of bubble gum contained within the package while he prepared the cards to be returned to Phil Jr.

I searched Mr. Robertson's "Recaptured" book for any reference to this "Johnny Unitas" sub-topic, but found no such reference within the pages of that excellent 1993 softcover publication. There is a mention of the "trail of football cards" left by Phil Jr., but no mention of the lack of a Mr. Unitas card.

I certainly cannot believe that Dr. Kimble would have gone back and scoured the countryside of Northby, Wisconsin (where the card-dropping incident took place) in order to pick up each card deposited by the young Mr. Gerard. That would have been a very difficult task for the good doctor, seeing as how he didn't know "how far back" Philip had been dropping the cards.

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Also, can anyone who has sat through the CBS/Paramount bastardized version of this episode tell me if it contains scenes cut from the 46:30 Nu ventures release or was it simply complete but time sped?

I watched it one time before returning the miserable DVD aggregation to Amazon.com for a refund. Like all of the eps. on the CBS DVDs, it was 51+ minutes in length. So it was uncut (I believe).

GERARD -- "You said half-a-mile!"

SLIM PICKENS -- "Well, now, I never measured it. It's just up here a little ways."
post #865 of 1043
8/6/08 at 10:18am

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I just still cannot imagine NEMESIS and the scene where Gerard pulls up as Kimble sits by the window,Kimble looks out, and sneaks out the rear door...without the great Rugolo "Gerard" theme and the "Kimble danger theme" playing over the scenes. Like painting the Mona Lisa's hair blonde.
post #866 of 1043
8/6/08 at 11:00am

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Like painting the Mona Lisa's hair blonde.

More like shaving her head, Charles.
post #867 of 1043
8/6/08 at 1:39pm
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Yeah, it's nuts, and CBS/Paramount seems to feel "a few" hardocre fans are making too much out of it.

If they deem to release the next volume with rescored music, they're going to find out the true nature of The Force, as fans will not be so easily taken unaware.
post #868 of 1043
8/6/08 at 2:14pm

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It has been so long since I had seen these episodes and I had already ordered from the Deep Discount sale before I knew of the "alterations" that I forced myself to watch. I have never endured such an ordeal. It took me thru this past weekend to finally finish the set. It has never taken me this long to view a prior set. Am now getting ready to return the abomination.

I will not own this mess nor any future altered versions.

Doug
post #869 of 1043
8/6/08 at 2:24pm

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I'm in the middle of watching the show from a number of fuzzy sources--VHS 2nd generation, 16mm, etc. I am normally a maven for picture quality, but let me tell you, these are just fine for me with a grainy artifact-filled picture, but with all the original music. I just watched "Ballad for Ghost," and knowing what was later cut out, it was all the richer.
post #870 of 1043
8/6/08 at 2:24pm

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Yeah, it's nuts, and CBS/Paramount seems to feel "a few" hardocre fans are making too much out of it.

I'd like to think that the reviews posted on Amazon.com are a solid reflection of how widespread fan dissatisfaction is for this release. It's interesting too that whenever a neutral to positive review is added, the comments section becomes summarily flooded with still more acrimony--such is the significant level of outcry. I've never seen anywhere the level of dissension for a tv-dvd release as I have with S3, vol. 1 of "The Fugitive".

Overall, I've never really felt that there are scant hardcore fans with the rest having a casual interest. This show is much like "Twilight Zone" and "Star Trek" in that there is a large body of intelligent and devoted fans who don't take kindly to having their intelligence insulted.
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