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Hold on a second here.....

I have been knee-deep in planning this forum's EMA trip next week.
I had to stop what I was doing to clean up the mess that happened in this
thread a few days ago. It was a huge sidetrack for me. Point is, I have been
skimming through posts as of late and not quick to catch articles of interest.

...and now I see I missed something here that was very obvious
to everyone else....

I caught the fact that a member of this forum participating
in this thread totally took my words out of context.

What I just realized is that this was posted on a blog?!


Are you nuts?! I never "praised" the studio. All I was implying was
that if Paramount foresaw legal problems down the road by releasing
THE FUGITIVE that perhaps this was their only choice between releasing
this title to DVD or not.

Praising the studio? I don't think so.

...and even after another person called the member in question out on his
misquote, the author of the blog decided that his interpretation had to be
the right one.

Listen...

I think I am a little more qualified to make some judgements here
due to the fact I have been talking with studio people for years. Can't
be too many people here that can say the same.

These rights issues are a HUGE ordeal for the studios. There is
stuff I have been pushing a studio to release for the past few years
that is in "limbo" because, perhaps much like THE FUGITIVE, there
are rights issues that may never be resolved.

...but let's be realistic, none of us here know what the issues are.
Yet, the feeble-minded think that the correct action to take is to slam
some poor guy at Paramount with hate mail. How pathetic!

Studios don't look to bastardize these releases. Sometimes the choice
they have is to change music or other problems that may cause them
legal hassles, or not release the material at all.

I am not a fan of THE FUGITIVE but I get the idea that this is the first
release to DVD ever! If I am correct, that's a long road for a series
to be released that even I know has a big following. I suspect the studio
had been holding up this release for years. It is my GUESS that they felt that
instead of continuing to hold it up, they would release it with any changes
that they felt legally bound to make.

That's where I stated that perhaps it was a wise decision on their part to
release it this way so they don't get bitten in the ass down the road.

It doesn't mean I agree with it nor think its fair that they didn't make
a more considerable effort to let fans know what they were doing.

I wasn't "praising" Paramount as the author would have you believe....but I guess
his interpretation is the right one no matter what -- even if other people call him
out on it.


...and you want to know something else?

Perhaps Paramount felt whether they announced the changes or not, they
would still take a whole lot of flack from their consumers. It kind of looks
like a "no win" situation for them.

...but I have been sympathetic with your cause and have even openly chastised
Paramount for not being honest. Gee, did that make it into the blog?

I wholeheartedly agree Paramount was in the wrong for not being forthcoming.
However, the reaction they got from some individuals in this thread is the
reason why we can't get them on this forum or even on the phone to explain their actions.
Even if someone from Paramount came to this forum, gave you the most legitimate
and logical answer to this problem, there would still be people slamming them.

Sometimes I have to sit here and give studios the benefit of doubt because
I know many of these people. I speak with them regularly and hear their stories
about material they just cannot get rights clearances for. When that happens, fans
usually don't get the stuff they want released.

Now I have an individual in this thread taking out his anger in a blog, misinterpreting
the meaning of what I said. For that, I got people raking me over the coals who did not
have the opportunity to read what I really posted in the first place over here.

Listen, I appreciate someone thinks highly enough of me to mention
something I said on this forum.

Sometimes I piss people off and they post all sorts of lies all over
the Internet about things I supposedly said. Those kind of things
never bother me because usually it's apparent in their posts that
they are disgruntled.

However, for what appears to be a legitimate blog, do you think that
perhaps this member (without mentioning names) could have conveyed
more accurately the meaning of what I was saying?

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To drown out or even approach overpowering William Conrad's closing monologues is a sacrilege IMHO. But when they dummy up and fake the Closing Credits, that's what really angered me to return the DVDs.

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It also makes it difficult for anyone else to buy if the store doesn't have any in stock. Consider it a public service.

Those CBS lawyers and the disclaimers they love so much may have missed an important piece of text on the back of the box, "Transfered from the original negative with restored audio." The definition of restored is:

re·store
1.to bring back into existence, use, or the like; reestablish: to restore order.
2.to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition, as a building, statue, or painting.
3.to bring back to a state of health, soundness, or vigor.
4.to put back to a former place, or to a former position, rank, etc.: to restore the king to his throne.
5.to give back; make return or restitution of (anything taken away or lost).
6.to reproduce or reconstruct (an ancient building, extinct animal, etc.) in the original state.

Basis for a lawsuit? I don't know enough about the US legal system.

Gord

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I'm sort of new here, and totally new on the TV board - hi, all. I bought The Fugitive Season 2 Volume One, having loved the show way back when, and having really enjoyed the first two volumes. It was instantly apparent the music was altered, so I decided to see if anyone had written about it, and now I've finished wading through the ten pages of posts.

So, while I'm sorry that one poster apparently sent a rude e-mail, I respectfully have to say that to let Paramount off the hook for this is ridiculous. They need to be held accountable. Lawyers who work at studios today are basically paid to do this sort of thing - come up with any excuse to justify their salaries and their jobs - in other words, to cause trouble where there is no trouble. I'm not just talking about Paramount here - and nothing I'm saying should come as any surprise to anyone who lives in the litigious world we live in.

That said, clearly there is something rotten in the state of Paramount. As many have pointed out, this music is owned by Viacom - both the Rugolo material and the CBS Library material. The music was work for hire - the composers or their estates have no rights whatsoever, other than to receive their publishing. Someone has mentioned that it's most likely the publishing that is the problem. I'd be very surprised if the publishing on the Rugolo and CBS libraries was owned by anyone but Viacom - it would make no sense on any level. I don't think CBS would have been so foolish to assign its publishing elsewhere, thereby losing a portion of its profits to a middleman.

I suspect the truth probably lies with the post that said that some lawyer earning his fee sat there with the cue sheets, saw something he didn't recognize, and put out the warning sign, and most likely for no reason, as these things usually go. It is reprehensible that this happened. It's bad enough when they have to replace source music because of greedy rights' holders, but here, they are the rights' holders.

However, if the publishing was the issue, there is no way it could not have been tracked down - we're not talking about a tiny independent company - we're talking about CBS, QM, and Viacom and Paramount.

At the end of the day, I think someone is going to be fired over this - whether the wrong will be righted is anyone's guess, but it should be, or, as someone suggests above, given the wording on the DVD, a lawsuit might certainly be in order.

Paramount keeping silent is certainly not the answer - that's just bad customer relations and it will come back to hurt them. This music has been part of both already released seasons - nothing could have changed, that's really the bottom line. No, this is some lawyer screwup and something needs to be done about it, because The Fugitive deserves better - and if this sets precedent, it will not stop here. And no, there has never once been an instance of a complete background score for an episode of a TV show being replaced (on home vid or DVD) - ever. The only music substitutions in TV shows heretofore involve music clearance rights on songs and/or instrumental compositions that use existing songs as their basis.

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Hi, Billy...welcome to the HTF. Sorry to pick on you here, but I have seen - multiple times - people say essentially this same thing.

Please bear in mind that this release had a street date of this past Tuesday.

By the end of the day the studio (CBS DVD, really...Paramount Home Ent. just distributes it to retailers for their sister company which actually designed and produced the discs' content) MIGHT have started hearing that fans considered this to be a problem. Realistically it would be more like mid-Wednesday. Or whenever the CBS employee (Angelo) started getting his hate mail (but again, since Angelo had little/nothing to do with this release, or this decision, he may not have gotten the info to the right people instantly).

So what, at the end of the calculation the studio has had a couple-three full business days at most (maybe) after hearing about the matter to begin investigating, figure out what was done and why, and begin to think about what they are going to say to fans.

Gord was asking about this pretty quickly. Instead of accepting a stock, generic answer, Gord pressed them to look into it more and give a deeper answer...he won't accept any ol' disclaimer they happen to have laying around from previous experiences (which may or may not fit this situation).

I agree that this is a bad thing they did. Gord agrees. Ron agrees. We all agree that CBS should have been more open about this and their reasons, and needs to come forth with it now.

But let's also be realistic and remember that a big company like this doesn't just open their mouths without checking, re-checking, crossing T's and dotting I's, and then getting the lawyers to do all of that all over again. It's gonna take a few days to get that statement, if it's coming at all.

It would be wiser of them to issue it, in my opinion. But then again, that doesn't mean they will, of course.

What exactly could they say at this point which would satisfy this crowd anyway?

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Yes Sorry Ron. Mr. Mavis is the one that said that its still worth purchasing. I was trying to summarize both your statements together and did it rather poorly. I apologize for that.

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Harry:

It does vary by title, in terms of what elements still exist for any particular show. Generally though, it's preferred to archive picture and sound elements separately, with the sound elements further broken down into a "Music & Effects" track ("M & E") and a separate dialogue track. This allows the studios to market their properties in foreign countries by using local actors to dub the character voices in whatever language is required for that particular territory. Those voices are then combined with the original M & E track, and voila-- you have a local version of the show!

Now of course, although this is preferable, it's not always the case that the separate sound elements survive, but it appears that they do in the case of "The Fugitive", which makes the music replacement much easier to accomplish.

-Kevin

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Didn't Rhino release a complete Gumby box set which used the 1988 redubs of all the original segments -- with not only the entire score, but also all the dialogue redubbed?

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If CBS/Paramount treats any future releases like they did S2V1, who cares if they get released or not? I certainly don't....and I hope that future seasons (or "volumes") will not get released with altered music all the way through them.

If Amazon reviews have any impact at all on the people at CBS DVD, then there's a ray of hope, because virtually every review written there since the June 10th S.2 DVD release has been ultra-negative, with reviewers balking loudly about the music changes.

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It wouldn't surprise me if CBS DVD, as a matter of legal recourse, recalled the unsold S2V1 DVD's from circulation and reissued them with a new box disclaimer that more accurately reflects the altered music score.

Which still wouldn't explain how they could use the scores for S1. Perhaps it was a legal snafu, in which case they could end up recalling those as well.

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Thanks for the welcome. I meant "Paramount keeping silent is not the answer" in a more general way than you took it. I simply meant that keeping silent on this issue is not the answer - they owe it to everyone of their loyal customers to address the issue, and I hope they do - I and others are not putting a time constraint on it, I hope you understand, although it would be nice if they did so sooner than later. I hope they do speak up.

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And yet CBS DVD did just that very thing anyway....ripping out every note of original music within the interior of all 15 episodes of a show that CBS had to know (or should have known) is a show where the music is a vital ingredient.



In this "Fugitive" instance, CBS DVD should have definitely opted for the latter option and simply not release a bastardized version of this popular TV series to the public. They should have waited until they could do it the right way.

Releasing it the way they did is much worse than having nothing at all -- just go ask the gobs of pissed-off fans here and the people who have taken time to write scathing reviews aimed at CBS & Paramount at Amazon.

How could CBS possibly have not predicted that such a large-scale revolt against this altered DVD release would be inevitable once the hardcore fans of the show got ahold of it?

Is it truly possible that they just don't care what the longtime fans of this series are liable to say about having all the music changed? (And, let's face it, a very large percentage of any "Fuge" DVDs are surely being bought by people who have grown accustomed to the show, i.e., those who know it, like it, and also want it intact on home video. What other "fanbase" would "Classic TV" be mainly aimed at? Surely not teenagers who go to rap concerts.)

It seems blatantly obvious to me (especially this deep into the "TV on DVD" era, when execs at DVD companies have heard many complaints about subpar releases, etc.) that CBS surely had to realize that they were going to get hit hard by devoted Fugitive fans for releasing a DVD set with such an obvious and noticeable flaw. As I said, how could they possibly not know this was going to happen once they released this product?



Nonsense, Ron. They released the entire first season (in 2 volumes) in late 2007 and early 2008. And it's fabulous. Great PQ. And with all of the Rugolo music cues intact.

It took a while to get anybody to release Season 1, true. But there was certainly no big delay between S1 and S2 once they did get out of the gate.



This is more nonsense (IMO).

"The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" was released by CBS on February 26, 2008, only 3.5 months prior to the S2, V1 release. That's not "holding it up". Heck, that's a remarkably-quick turnaround time. I was amazed, in fact, that they would release S2 so quickly after S1.

So, the "continuing to hold it up" argument is just silly. And not accurate at all in this S2, V1 instance.



So, it's better to have the fans bite them in the ass (instead of a few lawyers and rights holders), right? Because they've got a lot more people biting them in their anal regions now than they would have had if they had gone another route -- such as putting this S2 release on hold indefinitely until they could do it right the first time around....or if they had simply ignored the rights violations and taken their chances by releasing the original music intact on these DVDs.

If I were an exec at CBS or Paramount, I'd rather have a few lawyers and/or rights holders snapping at my heels than I would a whole bunch of ticked-off Fuge fans who want this TV series released the way Paramount almost always has released its DVD products -- complete and unaltered.

But, YMMV.



And they would be correct to think that -- because it's so obviously true. Just go to Amazon to see that very thing playing out in fine "We Can't Stand CBS/Paramount" fashion. Great PR going on there. That's what every big company wants--to be ripped to shreds by a mob of angry fans. And, incredibly, CBS had to know this would be coming. But they did it anyway. Go figure.

~big ol' shrug~



It probably is....now. (Unless they decide to do the right thing and re-do this horrid Fugitive S2 release the right way at some point in the future.)

But it could have all been avoided by simply not releasing Fuge S2, V1 at all until they acquired the proper music rights to give the product to the masses the way that CBS had to know the majority of DVD buyers want it -- unaltered.

And a simple press statement to the public would have easily sufficed. Something along these lines would have been very suitable, IMO:

"Due to legal issues beyond our ability to negotiate or control at the moment, CBS DVD and Paramount Home Entertainment are sorry to tell fans of the TV series "The Fugitive" (1963-1967) that further DVD releases of this series are on hold for the time being. When, and if, we can iron out these legal difficulties, we will be releasing additional volumes of this TV series on DVD. We apologize for this problem, and we thank you for your understanding concerning this strictly-legal matter." -- CBS/PHE

It wouldn't make some Fugitive fans too happy to know that they'd have to wait (possibly forever) for the follow-up Fugitive volumes. But a statement like the above simulated one would have certainly gone over better with the DVD buying public than doing it the way CBS did do it with Fugitive S2, V1.

My $0.02-$0.03.

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I can't imagine why anybody would make excuses for the studio about this set when the studio themselves can't come up with one word in there own defense.

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Well, as a newbie who's never seen this show before, I bought all of SEASON ONE and really enjoyed it. I have decided (for the time being at least) to NOT go ahead with VOLUME TWO after all this flack, but it would be a damn shame if we'll never get the rest of this series out. I definitely don't think "not having the show come out at all" is any compromise or answer.

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Sad to say it, but I sense a "Who cares about an old black & white show, anyway?" attitude.

Let's face it. The series hasn't been seen that many times on television. It ran in the '60s before many of the reviewers and even movers/shakers here were of conscious age to have appreciated it.

As a prime-time show it ran on ABC, a perpetually third-placed network that didn't have full penetration in all television markets. It ran in the 10 PM - 11 PM (ET) time slot on a weeknight when kids were supposed to be in bed. Yes, the show did well in the ratings, but the viewing audience was likely mostly adults.

Let's give the benefit of the doubt and say that an adult in 1967 - the show's last year of network broadcast - was 16 years old. That person was then born in 1951 and today is 57 years old. So the universe of people who watched and remember the show from its network broadcast, in the parlance of people who count audiences is "55 to dead". (Really - I work in radio and audiences for true oldies stations are looked on as "55 to dead.") That's an undesirable audience, by the way, for advertising agencies, hence the current lack of those true oldies stations. But I digress.

OK, so CBS DVD has this property that's on the list to release. I suspect that a release such as THE FUGITIVE, Season Two, Volume One is part of what they'd consider a "catalog release." It's not something that they're going to devote any time and money to advertise or promote in any way. Heck, just finding shows like this at a brick & mortar store these days can be a challenge, if even possible.

So it's a line item on some budget lists at the company. The number of people, 55 to dead, working at CBS DVD is probably small, given the typical breakout of demographics in workplaces. The number of people 55 to dead in positions of power at CBS DVD is probably also very small.

If these assumptions are true, then anyone at the company who even has a clue what THE FUGITIVE is or was, as a television series, is probably fairly small. To most of them, it's a listing on sheet of properties being put out by the TV catalog division, and it's not among any kind of priority with them.

At those imagined meetings taking place at CBS DVD after the hub-bub stirred up among the fan base, some of these young suits are all sitting around saying things like, "THE FUGITIVE, isn't that that old Harrison Ford movie?" since they were kids in 1993 when their parents went to see THE FUGITIVE on the big screen.

So, bottom line is, to expect any quick comments from the company is not a good idea. It's probably not going to happen. It's going to take awhile for people there to even stop and figure out what THE FUGITIVE is, let alone what to do about it.

Harry
...one of those "55 to dead"-ers...

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What you state there describes many, many people I have encountered in this business.

However, I think you would be shocked to discover how many people are also "in the biz" of home entertainment releases, that "stumbled" (might not be the best word choice, but you get the idea) into the field from just filling an opening, answering an ad, whatever...and aren't really into the whole scene. To them it's just another job. I'm sure the studios actually try to do this, and prefer to have a significantly-sized portion of their staff that "aren't fanboys," to try to keep the stars out of their employees' collective eyes as they go about their daily tasks.

But in situations like this, it sure is a pain in the ass because you can be dealing with people who simply cannot relate to why it's such an important issue with the fans who are the customers of the studio. These people I describe here: some of them don't get all emotional about a TV show or film, so they don't understand how we could.

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I sense the rescore was really just a quicky patch to get the title into the "released" column. In watching a few of these episodes now, I'm hearing the same Mark Heyes cues over and over again, so I don't think he did much more than compose a number of replacement cues in the Rugulo style.

The transfers are being done as someone's job. "Here's a pile of film masters - telecine them over to digital format. Do two and go to lunch; do two more and go home." That someone, whoever he or she is, hasn't a clue what THE FUGITIVE is and could care less. "Oh, it's black & white - turn off the color button."

All of this is supposition on my part; I know really nothing about the video entertainment industry. I'm just drawing parallels to the radio industry that I work in. I'll meet people who get all big-eyed that I work for a group of radio stations, and that I've met or know the DJ's. These fan-types think we're the luckiest people in the world. In reality, for most employees, it's just a job. For a few others, it's a little more than that.

I'm with David on the fact that many employees in the home video indistry are there to get a paycheck and make their car and mortgage payments. To them, it's no different than working in an insurance company or a company that makes paint. They answered an ad and sent a resume, passed an interview process and got hired.

As for THE FUGITIVE and the controversy going on here and elsewhere, at CBS/Paramount Home Entertainment, on Wednesday, when the employee bombarded with emails reported it to his superior, it probably became a note scratched on a legal pad to be investigated at the next meeting.

Where it stands now is pure conjecture, and we'll just have to wait for it to get through whatever process it's going to undertake. I'm content to wait and see what they have to say. Hopefully Gord or David will get some response from their contacts and they'll report it to us here or at TV Shows on DVD.

That's when we'll have to decide for ourselves to proceed in whatever direction we're headed. There are three major possibilities:

• It was some kind of honest mistake and CBS will be reissuing the corrected DVDs in the ensuing months with perhaps an exchange program.
• The music was replaced due to legal reasons and the company will possibly try to get them resolved for future issues. If legal issues are resolved, a later re-issue of this title *might* be forthcoming in the future.
• It is what it is. It's not going to change. All future issues in the series, if issued, will similarly be affected.

If the first is true, we'll all likely go through the exchange process. Those who haven't purchased will wait for the re-issue to hit the shelves.

If the second becomes reality, fans will have to decide whether or not they want to bother with this release, and will wait to see what future releases bring.

If it's the third, then fans will likely abandon the series as will CBS/Paramount.

Harry

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There's a parcel of truth to what you say and I get your point. You'll recall I posted earlier that 40 years as a "Beautiful Music" radio station programmer has given me a front row seat to the Geritol Generation. The format is defunct, except for an XM radio channel devoted to "elevator music."

However, Elizabeth "Millvina" Dean of Southampton, England, who was a 2 month old passenger at the time of the Titanic sinking, is now the only remaining survivor. I doubt if interest in the Titanic will end when she passes away.

There's no reason for CBS, or anyone, to focus on The Fugitive's contemporaneous viewers (of which I am one) and say, "They're too old, so who cares about that series?"

If that were the case, Disney would quit releasing and re-releasing and re-releasing all their classic cartoons from the 1930s, 40s, and 50s. Few are left who saw Snow White premiere in theaters.

CBS dropped Have Gun Will Travel with three seasons left. I'll wager a year's supply of Viagra® (which in my case is one capsule) that S2V2 will be the swan song for the relentless pursuit of Dr. Kimble.

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EXCELLENT point! There must some intense interest in The Fugitive on the part of someone at CBS for all of this nonsense surgery to have been performed.

Or maybe it's just a response to intense interest in The Fugitive as put forth by several posters here.

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Those of us in this thread that are speculating on what's going on are doing just that - speculating.

We haven't really got a clue what's going on on the inside. We're just guessing based on our own perspectives.

I know I've mentioned THE FUGITIVE to people I work with. The younger ones are "Who? What?" while people my own age may or may not remember the show.

I can only go by my own sense of history. THE FUGITIVE aired on ABC in the '60s. It won Emmy Awards and was highly praised. The show ran in syndication, mostly in daytime or late at night in the Philly area, where I'm from, on a local UHF station, and then it was dropped.

It hadn't been seen again for years until A&E rescued it in the '90s. Even then, it was a weekend show on a cable network - not exactly a prime showcase. When NBC ran a few episodes surrounding the promotion of the movie, I suspect those few airings got more audience than any of the A&E showings combined.

Locally, an Allentown station ran it during weekdays for a showing or two, but at 2 PM in the afternoon, who's watching a local out-of-town UHF station?

Now, I understand the series is airing on the RTN service. That's the Retro Television Network if you haven't heard of it. Again, THE FUGITIVE gets a daily afternoon airing on this service which is carried on some cable systems as well as digital sub-channels in some markets. For those not initiated, analog television goes away in Feb. 2009, and all over-the-air TV will be digital. The digital domain allows for each station to multicast, which allows them to have more than one channel. Some local stations are affiliating their secondary channel to the RTN service.

My point here is that THE FUGITIVE hasn't exactly burned up the television airwaves over the forty years. It's often mentioned in books on the subject that Quinn Martin feared that an ending to the series would doom its popularity in syndication, and that given its history, perhaps that's true.

The other big factor in its lack of syndication is that 75% of the shows are in black & white. Many of us older baby boomers don't care about that - we grew up with black & white. But the fact is, most younger people have difficulty getting into black & white material and simply choose not to.

As to "why do the rescore?" and digitally futz with the credits. It seems to me that it was an attempt to legally continue to cover their butts. By not using the Rugolo score for whatever reason, it didn't make sense to have an end credit that reads "Music by Pete Rugolo" when all he did was write the theme. So they added the Mark Heyes scoring credit and the two other names.

What they forgot was to do something with John Elizalde. Here was the guy who literally fit the Rugolo cues in where they belonged (along with the CBS library stuff), hence he was the Music Editor and got the credit. Well his credit is still there, even though he had nothing to do (I assume) with the music editing of the current atrocity.

Harry

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The Fugitive was excellent (in my opinion, the best show ever on TV). But I have to admit, there is a big nostalgic component to it for me. When I see certain episodes, it takes me back to things that happened to me at that time.

I also used to make audio recordings of some of the episodes on cassette tape. It was quite a thrill for me when I went over to my friends house because he had a directional rooftop antenna and could pick up KSBW channel 8 out of Salinas (we lived in Petaluma, which is about 100 miles away. Thats where I recorded "Never Stop Running", 3pm on a weekday afternoon, hissing sound and all. This was sometime in the early 70's. I know the dialog and original music tracks by heart, and I repeated the dialog word for word to my son when we watched the DVD version (Im sure he loved that).

This show was a BIG part of my childhood. I can watch the episodes over and over again, and each time I get totally drawn into the story, even though I have seen them several times. May sound corny, but I actually get goose bumps when I hear the Rugulo score during certain scenes, especially when Kimble is revealing his plight to someone, or like in "Taps for a Dead War" when he is talking to Tim O'Conner about a life for a life. Really emotional stuff.

I mentioned in an earlier post about how I couldnt vocalize how dissapointed I am. This is what I meant.