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I read somewhere that an update to the PS3 is going to introduce something called "Trophies" I don't think there was really word on what it is, but my first thought was that is was going to be something comparable to XBOX 360's achievement points. I guess we'll see.

I just recently got an XBOX 360 and have racked up some achievement points playing COD4. But what do they actually get you. Can you get free downloads with a certain amount of points, or something like that?

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Just started this myself. Awesome game and no doubt one of the best out there (GTA4, move over!). Brings back the good old memories from MGS1 (PS) and MGS2 (PS2).. I never finished MGS3, though (sneaking was a bit "overkill" for me on that one back then, so I just stopped playing the game during the 1st level.. ).

MGS4 is pretty much like the game-movie-hybrid. It´s something more than just a "game"..

Not that easy game, though (for a person with limited time). Already having some problems with those "frogs". Dammit! I guess I have to buy some weapons etc.

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Not sure what Xbox 360 has gotta do with MGS4 (PS3 exclusive, baby! ), but these "achievement points" are something, that many people won´t ever "need". If you´re a hardcore online-gamer, I guess they can be appealing ("Who´s the man!") etc, but I don´t fully see their purpose. I mean e.g. I have played "through" zillion games over the years etc and never needed any "achievement points" to prove something..

Snakeeeeeee!

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The achievement points can be different things to different people. True, there is no "tangible" benefit (such as MS points, free downloads, etc. - although I seem to recall that this was hinted at at the inception of the XBox360) but I still like them. I consider them another facet of gaming on the XBox 360 and I like the added impetus to move forward in a game. When I first saw them in the early days my first thought was, "Who cares?" but now that they are an integral part of most 360 titles (including the Arcade games) I've come to like them. I don't consider them bragging rights by any means although I bet a lot of younger players probably do. To me, as I use XBox Live to keep in touch with a huge number of gaming cyber-acquaintances I find the inclusion of achievement point lists for each "friend" and each game to be a very good barometer of what type of gaming that person prefers or is good at since more points usually means they got further in a particular game.

No, achievement points aren't a perfect system (especially since some games have ridiculously hard achievement tasks while others are a walk in the park) but they are something that you can involve yourself in if you are so inclined. I'm not overly impressed by huge achievement point numbers. Nor do I feel insulted if someone chooses to ignore achievement points as a matter of principle. All I'm saying is that some people might be surprised how involved they get with achievement points once they try them out. Just dismissing them out of hand without actually trying them is a bit presumptive. Trying them and not caring for them is perfectly fine. To each his/her own.

I also think that the whole achievement points concept goes hand in hand with a good online community interface (such as the XBox Live network, for example). Up until recently the Sony online interface between users was not in the same league as the XBox 360 community. However, in recent times SONY has made some huge strides in that area and the fact that people are beginning to talk about PS3 "trophies" or similar doesn't surprise me in the least. To me it comes with the territory. I feel that shortly both platforms will offer similar online interfaces and then it all becomes a question of which games appeal to you. For some of us the solution has been to have all of the platforms at our disposal rather than getting into pissing matches as to which platform is the better one. That way we have first hand experience with the games and features rather than basing our opinions on brand loyalty or some other agenda.

I repeat - this is a golden age for gaming and I wouldn't be surprised if a "platinum" age is around the corner. We've come a long way from Magnavox Odyssey and text-based games like "Zork." MGS4 is the current graphics and sound champ until a new challenger hits the market. That's what makes this so much fun (or as the younger generation would say, "So fun").

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Yes, this is probably correct. The "younger generation" often has a different attitude towards gaming and for many the online-gaming is "da s**t" now (more than simply playing the game through). These "achievement points" probably have a bigger meaning for them etc. That´s fine.

This is of course just me (IMO, that´s!), but I´m over 30 now with many years of gaming (started with C64, then PS1, PS2, now all three consoles) and I have 0 need of any "achievement point" or "trophies". I play 100% for fun and often with my old friend (you know, "old school" way of playing some game through "together"). Online-gaming is fun every now and then (Warhawk, CoD4, etc), but generally it doesn´t give me *that* much (I generally don´t like to play against total strangers anyway).

But yes, this is just me. Some probably disagree.


Yes, sure, "open mind" is always the best way. I still feel, that most people with several years of gaming kinda "know" what they want/need with games etc. I personally know, that I really don´t have enough time/energy/focus for e.g. online-gaming (like I said, it´s fun every once in a while, though), so I focus on the "normal gaming". Stuff like that. You only have that certain amount of free time..


Well said. 100% agree with you. If people doesn´t have certain console (let alone, that they haven´t even tried it) - or they based their "facts" to the games that were available e.g. 1-2 years ago, it´s quite hard to say "which one is better" anyway. All consoles have great games (and "exclusives") for sure. This is the only "fact" of gaming.


If I´m not mistaken (please correct me if I´m wrong), MGS4 uses 50gb Blu-ray-disc (mainly for the endless cut-scenes, I´m sure). In the future, this capacity will open big possibilities for the game industry. E.g. with PS3, many sources have stated, that now the companies have started to learn how to really "use" that potential inside the console (this wasn´t the case with the first PS3-games). So things are looking *really* bright for PS3.

I have no idea, that how much "capacity" you actually need for the good game (if you don´t have *that* many cut-scenes, etc), but I believe e.g. Xbox 360 is using max. "dual layer" DVD..

Then again, even Wii can look very nice, with SD. I love Mario-games, etc.

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Same thing happened to me this morning. The game didn´t start for the "last cut-scene" (which I assumed was the "check point"), so I had to play one section "again" (it was easy, so no problem this time) before reaching to the point where I thought that my save would be..

The "saving" with MGS4 is a bit more difficult than with some other games (sure, some are still similar to MGS4). You can only save the game after "completing" the certain part of the game. If you mess up that section in the end (and die), you have to start it over.

So no "I-first-shoot-these-10-guys-and-then-save-just-in-case".

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I believe that you are correct about MSG4 being a 50g Blu-ray disc (or some variant of Blu-ray). The huge number of cut scenes at high resolution would require this. I've always contended that the real power of a "next-gen" (isn't it "now-gen" by now? ) gaming machine would be the inclusion of a high capacity (read: HD - either format) disc for content. Now that titles are appearing on the PS3 using all this storage space I agree that the PS3 is finally beginning to play (no pun intended) to its strengths. The fact that the XBox360 doesn't have an internal high capacity disc drive will eventually bite it in the butt now that HD, high capacity gaming is here. I guess one could work around this by loading a bunch of discs to the HDD but that reminds me of the old days of PC gaming with multiple CDs to install.

Without any inside information on the next Xbox I would be willing to wager that an internal high capacity disc player is definitely in the plans - unless they are trying to go in a direction when downloadable content plays a more important role, although I don't see it playing out that way.

While the Xbox360 and the PS3 are capable of similar graphics the integral Blu-ray capability of the PS3 will, in my estimation, cause Microsoft to answer in kind to remain competitive.

My 2 cents.

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The platinum age will begin when they finally remake Final Fantasy 7 for the playstation 3.

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I thought the "cut scenes" were actually rendered by the game engine, as opposed to being stored video.

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You may be correct Aaron. Does anyone out there have the actual scoop on this? In any event, whether the cut scenes are rendered on the fly or stored on disc doesn't change the fact that having a high capacity, high definition disc as an integral part of a gaming system holds huge potential for future games. Eventually that storage space will be used for all sorts of information and game features and will cause those systems without it to move forward quickly with their next model. Remember, the XBox 360 HD-DVD was an add-on and not an integral part of the system. While it did a nice job of playing such discs as a low cost add-on it would require a major redesign of the 360 to make it a game based media source. That's why I'm convinced that Microsoft will be using a high capacity disc system in the next Xbox.

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Change Snake's outfit and if he his wearing that same outfit in the cut scene then it is reneded in game, I think. I suppose there could be parts with no dynamic elements that would not have to be rendered on the fly. For example, the "frying eggs" seems like something that is pure video. Don't really know for sure though.

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The problem is that any game that comes out for both the XBOX and the PS3 needs to be designed for the optical disc storage limitations of the XBOX. The PS3 version could have less compression in the graphics, but it's not like any company is going to do a completly different version to take advantage of a BD-50

I haven't gotter there yet, but my brother tells me that in MGS there is an Codec conversation with Otacon where he says something like:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

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Will, yeah I heard a couple guys at work talking about that bit in your spoiler tag, I haven't gotten there yet either. I just started Act 2, I think I'm at the first checkpoint after the first section of it... so far I am really blown away by the game. I find that I don't mind the cutscenes and their length, as they are presented in such an engaging and visually stunning way. I understand from what I hear that the cutscenes will be getting longer and more numerous, though.

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I recall reading that they actually had to drop some planned content from the game.

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Yes, this was a fun part. Other was when (this happens quite late in the game, so SPOILER..) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show) . Ah, memories.

Finished the game last night. One of the best games out there for sure. I assume, that not all people love those cut-scenes (especially the fps-gamers etc just wanting to blow stuff up and watch some "movies" some other time.. ), but MGS4 is like one big interactive movie, almost at least.

I just have to play this again (my two friends said the same), it´s impossible to see everything at the first time..

Hideo Kojima, you did it again. Thank you!

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Last night I was talking to my dad (RAF, I think he's around the same age as you) and he told me he'd seen an interesting news story about some new game "with a weird name that has a '7' on the end of it or something."

"You mean Metal Gear Solid?"

"Yeah, that was it."

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Found this great 6-part "Metal Gear Retrospective":

Gametrailers.com - Metal Gear Retrospective: Reviews, Trailers, and Interviews

Tells the history of Metal Gear-games (e.g. "Part 1" is about the vintage games, "Part 2" is about the first "Metal Gear Solid" in Playstation & "Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes" remake for GameCube, etc).

Very well made stuff.

Just remember: Includes heavy SPOILERS (e.g. for those, who´ll want to get new "Metal Gear Solid: The Essential Collection" set after playing the latest game and play the old ones..).

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Howdy!

This thread may be a bit old, but it's new to me! I just bought a PS3, and tried out MGS4. I'm not a gamer (yet...) but it was intriguing. And the graphics and audio were stunning. I'm still not sure how I got from the channel-surfing intro into the game, but I imagine I'll figure it out again!

Anyway, total, utter noob question: The controller. The markings on the controler say both "DualShock3" and "sixaxxis" is this controller a motion-sensing device? I note there are some games that say something about motion sensing, but I'm not sure how to make it work, or how to use it. Does MGS4 have motion sensing capability? I'd love to see more games with motion sensing capability, as it is such a natural human action that I can't imagine "whii" it took so long for it to be a central part of the gaming world. I think that CC has the motion controllers in the store. Is it worth it to get a couple of them? Meaing, are there enough games to make them useful?

I'd be oh so happy for any light you can shed on this! The documentation and online searches have been less than lucid.

thanks, and maybe I'll see you online in a game someday!

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Yes, the DualShock3 also has the Sixaxis motion-sensing capability. If you download the demo of echochrome, you can try it out because that demo supports it.

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Some other downloadable demos that use motion-control are Blazing Angels 2 (flight sim) and Toy Home (toy car racing).

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Thanks! I did try out echochrome..very cool. Amazing how such a simple idea can produce such a weird experience! I think I may purchase it...but I may have to force them to tone down the background...whew, that pure white is like looking at new-fallen snow in daylight on my DLP-RP set.

I'm eager to see how other games are using the motion sensing. Forgive me for saying so, but the Wii thing seems to have really caught the idea of how to use motion sensing. (I've never played it, so I may be a big bag of wind)

I'm still pretty much a brain-dead lump of protoplasm in MGS4, but I suppose I'll get the hang of it soon. This is the first video gaming console I've had since Pong, circa 1975. The only other real experience I have at games is Quake, (earlier I said Doom, wrong.) on which I managed to get through level one in about six weeks. I had to quit playing due to not getting any sleep and being very late for work!!

I never thought I'd be saying so, but this PS3 rocks! I'm going to get DDR for my daughter, and for my wife. I will probably exercise with it, too. But of course I will scorn it as any real man would. wink.

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great game

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I'm planning to play the game again at some point, but at the moment too many games I would like to play before that... You´ll get some nice "goodies" after beating the game for the first time, so it should be a bit easier...